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SilverAlien wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rangers need to be cheaper than Vanguards. They have fewer special rules. So if Vanguards get a price reduction, Rangers should as well.

The problem is, vanguard's special rule isn't good enough to justify even an extra point over ranger, and their weapons are about equal. So when vanguard and ranger are the same price, vanguard are better. But rangers costing even a point less makes them he better choice.

Some are saying Vanguard are better and some are saying Rangers are better. I think all things considered we're probably pretty dang close to them being "close enough". I think the balance of the two is further complicated when you consider the impact different Forge World's and stratagems impact their use. At this point I think whatever people are at odds about is largely personal preference.

So had my first game of the new codex tonight. Killed ghazgul and a few other units in a single turn in overwatch with 3 kastelans. lost due to objectives because there was 2 orks left on the table grabbing objectives. But killing ghazghul in overwatch was freaking hilarious.

That beast mode overwatch on the dakkabots is why I am defaulting to RAIMENT OF THE TECHNOMARTYR. If you can get that 108 shot overwatch ... technomartyr adds another 3 hits assuming 18 initial 6s. Hmm wait ... that doesn't sound very good. I guess that only works well if you are also using the cognis full BS strategem ... but that only works on cognis weapons ... which is effectively only bulky units of ballistari. Perhaps the AUTOCADUCEUS is just better.


Roll a dice each time the bearer of the Raiment of the Technomartyr loses a wound. On a 6 that model does not lose a wound. In addition, Each time a friendly <FORGE WORLD> model within 6" of the bearer fires Overwatch and you roll a 6 to hit, you can make one bonus attack for the same weapon against the charging unit (these attacks cannot generate further attacks).

keep in mind against something like orks or tyrannnids that 3 hits will likely mean 3 dead ork or 2. and that can be the difference between wiping out a unit and having one succeed so his buddies can follow up without being shot at. but yeah, Agrapinaa confirmed to feth you up if you mess with their bots in CC

On the fluff front, GW have finally confirmed survivors of Gryphonne IV, though this is not too surprising since GW seems loathe to fully wipe out any subfaction.

haven't gotten a chance to read the fluff section yet, anything on Arkhan land?

also buddy of mine had an interesting thought: what if GW were to do a whole book on just people returning from the horus heresy. like Land finally making his way out of the library and bringing his personalized land raider with him. and Vulkan and Leman Russ in there too.

 aka_mythos wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rangers need to be cheaper than Vanguards. They have fewer special rules. So if Vanguards get a price reduction, Rangers should as well.

The problem is, vanguard's special rule isn't good enough to justify even an extra point over ranger, and their weapons are about equal. So when vanguard and ranger are the same price, vanguard are better. But rangers costing even a point less makes them he better choice.

Some are saying Vanguard are better and some are saying Rangers are better. I think all things considered we're probably pretty dang close to them being "close enough". I think the balance of the two is further complicated when you consider the impact different Forge World's and stratagems impact their use. At this point I think whatever people are at odds about is largely personal preference.

See, that is my thought. I think the one point difference is about pays for the Rad Poisoning ability for Vanguards. I like Rangers better overall since I don't think Rad Poisoning is all that great for my playstyle and the Dogma I chose (Stygies VIII FTW!).

gendoikari87 wrote:
haven't gotten a chance to read the fluff section yet, anything on Arkhan land?

also buddy of mine had an interesting thought: what if GW were to do a whole book on just people returning from the horus heresy. like Land finally making his way out of the library and bringing his personalized land raider with him. and Vulkan and Leman Russ in there too.

I still don't get why people find this kind of thing appealing. If they just bring all the 30K stuff into 40K, why did they bother making 30K in the first place? They're supposed to be distinct, both in tone and content.

So the codex still has the same wrong Onager profile and even the same in Canticles "look below at the table"... the table is to the right. This is the laziest codex ever.

Don't like their laziness? Don't buy it. Plain and simple

I think every codex that has come out someone has said it is the laziest one lol.

 Gamgee wrote:
I think every codex that has come out someone has said it is the laziest one lol.

That's because with the exception of the Marine dex they have been overpriced cash grabs riddled with errors and lacking content.

I made the mistake of buying the GK dex and it was the 1st time I have had buyers remorse on a codes.

yeah the space marine dex was the only one they put any effort into, that and deathguard. can't really blame them that's the starter sets they decided to go with. makes for a perfect business decsions.

gendoikari87 wrote:
... that and deathguard.

Chaos Lords, Sorcerers and Possessed all say hello!

 Yodhrin wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
haven't gotten a chance to read the fluff section yet, anything on Arkhan land?

also buddy of mine had an interesting thought: what if GW were to do a whole book on just people returning from the horus heresy. like Land finally making his way out of the library and bringing his personalized land raider with him. and Vulkan and Leman Russ in there too.

I still don't get why people find this kind of thing appealing. If they just bring all the 30K stuff into 40K, why did they bother making 30K in the first place? They're supposed to be distinct, both in tone and content.

Probably because they have made such a half hearted attempt at making Ad Mech forces - given that its a galaxy spanning force of termedeous power and resources which has so much variety in the fluff - but no lets spend all our time and effort time on slightly differnt marines and Big Marines. If really they cant be bothered to spend any time and effort on 40K Ad Mech at least just bring some of the really great 30k stuff into 40k so there can be better representation and variety.

yeah. I mean they're the tech adepts...... like we don't get a single transport. wtf?

gendoikari87 wrote:
yeah. I mean they're the tech adepts...... like we don't get a single transport. wtf?

When I think of an Ad Mech transport, this is kind of what I'd like to see. Old model, but an updated version would be cool.

Considering that's not a GW model (it's a Void 1.1 Tiger APC) I doubt you'll find GW making an updated model of it...

i mean, there's two forgeworld mechanicum models..... like just put them in 40k.

 Yodhrin wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
haven't gotten a chance to read the fluff section yet, anything on Arkhan land?

also buddy of mine had an interesting thought: what if GW were to do a whole book on just people returning from the horus heresy. like Land finally making his way out of the library and bringing his personalized land raider with him. and Vulkan and Leman Russ in there too.

I still don't get why people find this kind of thing appealing. If they just bring all the 30K stuff into 40K, why did they bother making 30K in the first place? They're supposed to be distinct, both in tone and content.

To a degree, but there is already overlap between the two. It's just that it's normally 40k stuff being used in 30k, Admech is one one of the few factions with a significantly larger presence in 30k than 40k.

That's because we actually have cool stuff in 30k transports robots ect


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Here's hoping at least one of those is super cheap like cadian cheap because they all look like great conversions for vanguard and maybe rangers


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Chen dogs would make excellent conversions but those ventrillain nobles look like perfect fodder for legio titanica guards

... you do realise those are all conversions, right? Theyre based on th cadian, GSC, scion and admech sprues... :/

What's the Chen dogs made from?

gendoikari87 wrote:
What's the Chen dogs made from?

Quoted from the Guard thread:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
Have some pics.

Same pics from /tg/

Oh neophyte... no wonder I didn't recognize them. Don't think I've ever seen them on the table top.

Neophytes are great models in general, good for converting into just about anything. My favorite CSM cultists are based on a couple units. But they are a bit expensive compared to most other comparable units if I remember correctly.

Also figured I'd inject one last ray of hope for new admech units. Totally conjecture so don't get your hopes up too high but they had in the index the astra millitarum keyword for the tech priest. Now. They removed it so it's likely they're moving away from this but they could add forgeworlds to vehicles either <forge world> or actual named forge worlds for tanks. Like the manticore would be stygies so on and so forth. Again total conjecture and they seem to be moving away from that but it's not impossible

FAQ is up... and short and very disappointing.

It's like their peeing on us without the courtesy to call it rain