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FudgeDumper wrote:
Mortarion is a universally flawed creation, if you like it I am happy for you, but you can not use "I like it" as leverage when judging something so structurally complex and with so many dormant facets like a manifestation in 3d space.

If a model is "universally flawed", then it would never sell because it would be flawed no matter how you looked at it.

The Mortarion model fits the Plague Marine concept pretty well, so it is not flawed there.

It's only a little more pricey than Magnus who is expected to be taller, but not necessarily bigger (i.e. volume, mass, etc), and since that has sold sufficiently well, it is not completely flawed there (though, I would have preferred a more Lord of Change/Bloodthirster price range, personally).

So, it isn't "universally flawed".

Now, you don't like it. You think that it is structurally unsound. That's fine. You obviously won't be buying it, and GW has obviously made it structurally sound (otherwise they would end up paying a LOT of shipping fees). There are plenty of people who will. The challenge is on them to not destroy the model when they build it.

Personally, it won't be on my radar, either. But that's because I'm not a Nurgle fan. I simply don't care for the aesthetics of the Plague Marines, and so Mortarion isn't my cup of tea. But I'm not under the assumption that it will be universally reviled because I don't like it.

You can quote me on this.

Recasters are looking forward to their fat new pay day when they get a hold of this model and sell it for 40.00.

GWs price is going to drive sales to ebay and recasters. Not to gw.

You don't pay for the amount of plastic as much as you pay for the price of effort put into the model. Im sure all the design technology, the requirement and payment for the effort put into the model.

You do end up paying for quality because quality directly affects the amount GW pays for the employees to design the product.

Again any justifications for the price of this thing goes out the window when you realize that Thanquol and Boneripper exists. Or that Nagash exists. Or the Glottkin. And so forth.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Again any justifications for the price of this thing goes out the window when you realize that Thanquol and Boneripper exists. Or that Nagash exists. Or the Glottkin. And so forth.

For you, for many others that might not be the case.

I know friends that spend $30 a meal once or twice i week, i never spend more than $10 and if it is that high its only once a week.

Different people have different values in things, even if it was $250 someone would still find value in it.

Edit: I always wanted this model > https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Stormcast-Eternals-Celestant-Prime but i can not justify the price, But i did buy a Tantalus, i justified that b.c i knew i would play with it a great many amount of times more.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Again any justifications for the price of this thing goes out the window when you realize that Thanquol and Boneripper exists. Or that Nagash exists. Or the Glottkin. And so forth.

For you, for many others that might not be the case.

I know friends that spend $30 a meal once or twice i week, i never spend more than $10 and if it is that high its only once a week.

Different people have different values in things, even if it was $250 someone would still find value in it.

I think you're mixing up "justification" with "perceived value".

Perceived value is whatever the consumer thinks it's worth, which is subjective depending on who's seeing it. If you have no problem blowing a few hundred dollars on one set that clearly has been marked up compared to another one, that is your perceived value. Trying to explain why the price is like that is Justification.

A set like Thanquol and Boneripper being priced at nearly half of the cost of Mortarion kills almost all of the arguments for why the price is what it is; Both are centerpiece models projected to only sell once per player of that army, both comes on two detailed large size sprues, and both are roughly of the same size. Yet one is 93CAD and the other is 170CAD. This also holds true for Nagash, the Glottkin and even Morty's own brother Magnus (the UK price seem to be more reasonable, but the Canadian price is a 30 dollar increase from Magnus, and last I checked 5 pounds is not worth 30 CAD). These are not opinions, these are the bare facts, and they don't change from person to person. If you're fine with paying for Morty, then by all means go for it. But it doesn't suddenly mean his sprues randomly doubled in cost to get produced.

He's small and extremely expensive. On top of that, he sports the ungainly "solid effects" parts GW is so fond of, and they never have nor ever will look good. A pass for me.

PS The rationalization put forth by some of the members here is just sad. Dollar per point ratio? Get out of here!

Well, 110€ for about 400pts (?). Idk, you'd need 60 Ork boyz to get similar points so that's 6 Boxes @ 23€ per box meaning 138€.

So buck for points he doesn't seem too far off and as a model it is absolutely bristling with detail and bits. But I'm not going to buy him since I don't collect DG (yet).

40k is not a cheap hobby, it baffles me how people "realize" this over and over again. If you can't afford it, you don't need to buy it. If you think GW is ripping you off, stop buying their product and stop whining about their prices. Just my 2 cents.

I'm going to buy it.

I pre-ordered it in fact.

Azreal13 wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
The price talk is interesting. As an ork player I've mostly stayed on the lower end of the argument (I bought all 100 of my boyz on ebay for £20) but I have watched gw and how they are slowly inching their prices up again. Look at the prime marines (who are obviously going to replace normal marine models) they're all slightly more expensive to buy at £10 or so. Gw is like an ex boy friend who declared he has change but really he's just drinking and smoking behind your back.

Not even. GW aren't hiding what they're doing, they're quite openly increasing prices, to the point where they discuss their approach in investor reports.

What GW do is increase the RRP of each band with each new release, hence Magnus is £80 and Mortarion is £85. They have now abandoned the annual across the board price rise, that used to breed so much ill feeling, in favour of incremental rises.

The average hobbyist doesn't seem to have quite realized this, hence we still get minor flashes of outrage with each new release, but I guess GW think that's better than a major outpouring of bile once a year. Plus there's the added bonus that a kit that's been out a year or two looks positively cheap in comparison to the latest releases!

Yeah, i remember reading somewhere on the internet that someone in gw had the idea that you could price character models more expensive than normal models because of their importance. The rest is history. The annual price rise is gone, now every new model is more expensive than the last, leading to primus marines costing $60 australian for a single model. $60 bucks. I always justify my vices based around the cost of a pack of cigarettes. $60 is a few days worth of smoking on the black market, and it's one fricken dude. I can afford it, i just can't justify it.

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:I won't be getting it because my Death Guard will likely never expand much further than the Dark Imperium set so I would never shell out £85, not to mention I have such a small amount of money to spend on models anyway (parents who take a dim view towards the hobby will do that to you, although you all seem like adults with jobs so it's hardly relevant) and I don't like how he looks, since I'm in the 'less bling and swirly bits' camp.

However, for a centrepiece model and something that would bring a lot of hobby enjoyment it doesn't seem too much? I dunno, I guess what I'm saying is if they released Corax for £85 I'd be straight on that for my Raven Guard successors, so I can see why DG players would buy a Mortarion. That said $140 does seem like a lot, but I there's shipping + driving it around the US + exchange rate.

Are your sure they're taking a dim view towards the hobby itself, and not the prices per what you get? 85 pounds calculates to $140 australian dollars (i'm australian, so my world revolves around that). That's a lot of money for a small piece of plastic. I never understood why my parents laughed at me for spending money on "high quality plastic" but now i do. That's almost a week's rent. I guess it's just about priorities, but when something starts reaching that level of expense, it better have more intrinsic value to it than being a centrepiece for a game. As i said above, i could spend the money i just can't justify it......

Here is the problem with the price.

https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-mortuary-prime-winged-limited-edition/

Mortarion official is 140.00 USD

Mortuary Prime Winged is 47.00 USD

You can get a unwinged version for 5 less euros.

They are both roughly the same size in proportion. GW Morty stands taller because he is in the air. Morty unofficial is easy enough to convert into a flying pose if you so choose.

Do you like the official weapons/wings more? I bet with the 93.00 you are saving you can buy the bits off ebay and still not be paying close to the official price. You could get the unofficial model and have a massive budget for bits to customize and kit bash with. I am sure many will be buying official Morty. Good on you.

For half the cost you could be building your own bad ass morty and at about 1/3rd the cost just have one thats good enough and by that I mean pretty great.

The problem with models with that price is the GW is going to make them very good, I'd say mandatory, in the game, which means every time you face the DG the primarch shows up. Just like the ultramarines, Gulliman is always there in any competitive list.

Who's gonna pay 110 euros for a model that is not essential? Just some collectors.

But I'm not interested in a game among two immortal superheroes and some other units that are there only to justify the clash of the two titans.

Unfortunately it seems that GW is going towards that direction, I really hope those silly big models won't generate enough profits to keep going with this politics.


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 Weazel wrote:
Well, 110€ for about 400pts (?). Idk, you'd need 60 Ork boyz to get similar points so that's 6 Boxes @ 23€ per box meaning 138€.

So buck for points he doesn't seem too far off and as a model it is absolutely bristling with detail and bits. But I'm not going to buy him since I don't collect DG (yet).

40k is not a cheap hobby, it baffles me how people "realize" this over and over again. If you can't afford it, you don't need to buy it. If you think GW is ripping you off, stop buying their product and stop whining about their prices. Just my 2 cents.

60 boyz, even if they are way smaller, cannot be compared to a single one model. 110 euros for ONE model is absurd, even if it's a huge one, it's still a single dude. And while 60 boyz should be a standard build for an ork army, the nurgle superhero should be something exceptional, not something that shows up everytime. But with a price like that, who's gonna buy the model and then keep it on the bench?

The model is too big for a single hero mini so on that point alone i dont like it. (something sadly Gw does more and more of......)

miniature should be miniature. (aka very small)

When they first started showing his stats, I felt like "well, he's really powerful, but at least you can focus him down with mass fire"

<GW> Oh, did we forget to tell you about Deathshroud?

The price is completely unreasonable. 60-70usd would be reasonable. The thing is, they've costed him like the size he is, and then they've added the character tax. The character tax is on every character that your army only ever needs one of. they always cost considerably more than anything you can use several of.

 Weazel wrote:
Well, 110€ for about 400pts (?). Idk, you'd need 60 Ork boyz to get similar points so that's 6 Boxes @ 23€ per box meaning 138€.

So buck for points he doesn't seem too far off and as a model it is absolutely bristling with detail and bits. But I'm not going to buy him since I don't collect DG (yet).

40k is not a cheap hobby, it baffles me how people "realize" this over and over again. If you can't afford it, you don't need to buy it. If you think GW is ripping you off, stop buying their product and stop whining about their prices. Just my 2 cents.

I hate people who say "just don't buy 40k" because they forget many of us got i to this game with friends and it's now a regular part of our life. If we leave we lose all those friends we see every Wednesday at the club. And GW knows this! It's why they push it as a hobby rather than a game! They can charge what ever they want because we won't risk losing our friends or we want to be on par with our friend who has girly man.... it's a sick tactic similar to what the mobile games use and honestly should be monitored more.

 Weazel wrote:
Well, 110€ for about 400pts (?). Idk, you'd need 60 Ork boyz to get similar points so that's 6 Boxes @ 23€ per box meaning 138€.

So buck for points he doesn't seem too far off and as a model it is absolutely bristling with detail and bits. But I'm not going to buy him since I don't collect DG (yet).

40k is not a cheap hobby, it baffles me how people "realize" this over and over again. If you can't afford it, you don't need to buy it. If you think GW is ripping you off, stop buying their product and stop whining about their prices. Just my 2 cents.

There is a strange juxtaposition between "GW is such a rip off" and "I have so much unpainted plastic I don't know what to with it".

I think the divide might be between people who buy armies all at once and those who accumulate over years. This is an expensive model, but if I bought this instead of three other kits over 3~ months? Not especially. As you say similar points, similar likelihood of getting on a table.

Its a bit on the nose but you wince and its done. Its far less upsetting to me than regular characters - for instance the new Primaris Captain, Librarian etc. If monopose wasn't the order of the day you could make thembfrom regular Primaris at a fraction of the cost.

It's a fantastic looking model and much nicer than Roboute which I think is rather ugly.

However I feel it is far too expensive and frankly I prefer using conversions to lead a chaos force rather than a specific special character.

I find the model to be incredibly boring. He is a daemon prince, but in reality looks like a big, slightly mutated (by chaos standard) marine. I realise that he has always been depicted in the artwork this way, but at least in the artwork he had angelic wings, so there was a fallen angel theme to it. But the model has fly wings, to make it more nurgle-y I guess, but that makes him lose his fallen angel theme, turning him into a big dude. Another, more important complaint I have, is that he is filled from top to bottom with all sorts of details. Not a single primarch, 30k or 40k has this mmuch stuff on it. This esentialy takes away most freedom of expresion from the artist, and I think proof of that is in the box art. The model is filled with som much crap on it that Mortarion, daemon primarch of nurgle doesn't have a single speck of rust, grime or puss on him!!! This is because the model is already so confusing that adding such detail would ultimatley have a negative effect on the paintjob. Compare that to 40k magnus for example. Sure he has a few runes and horns here and there, but for the most part, the model isn't very detailed. This allows you to express yourself and truly make the model your own, the centerpiece of your army. If you look for magnus paintjobs, the top ones are all different, I could write an essay on all the different types of wings I've seen. And Mortarion? You can, like pick a colour scheme and that's it. There isn't one surface on the entire model that can be interpreted in different ways, other than the wings maybe.

Sorry for the rant.

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:
Mortarion is a universally flawed creation, if you like it I am happy for you, but you can not use "I like it" as leverage when judging something so structurally complex and with so many dormant facets like a manifestation in 3d space.

If a model is "universally flawed", then it would never sell because it would be flawed no matter how you looked at it.

The Mortarion model fits the Plague Marine concept pretty well, so it is not flawed there.

It's only a little more pricey than Magnus who is expected to be taller, but not necessarily bigger (i.e. volume, mass, etc), and since that has sold sufficiently well, it is not completely flawed there (though, I would have preferred a more Lord of Change/Bloodthirster price range, personally).

So, it isn't "universally flawed".

Now, you don't like it. You think that it is structurally unsound. That's fine. You obviously won't be buying it, and GW has obviously made it structurally sound (otherwise they would end up paying a LOT of shipping fees). There are plenty of people who will. The challenge is on them to not destroy the model when they build it.

Personally, it won't be on my radar, either. But that's because I'm not a Nurgle fan. I simply don't care for the aesthetics of the Plague Marines, and so Mortarion isn't my cup of tea. But I'm not under the assumption that it will be universally reviled because I don't like it.

Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

I really like Mortarion as a model, and the Price isn't that off to me. Take a look at the prices for other super-heavy units around that point value and he fits in quite well.
I won't buy him since I only play loyalist armies, but I'm looking forward to the next loyalist Primarch. I wasn't happy with Robby (and didn't buy him), but both Magnus and Mortarion look great.

Now if they would make a Sanguinius as good as Mortarion, including wings and stuff, I'd buy him even though I don't play BA and I don't think he should be revived. Just for the model.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Overcosted as always, but this is becoming a trend with GW's bigger monstrosities. However I was hoping he was similar to Magnus in terms of price, not more expensive (especially since it looks like Morty is smaller than Maggie, in physical body if not in square volume). Costing just as much as a Knight Titan (whom I've already considered to be overcosted) is just not feasable for me.

However complaining about price is beating a dead horse at this point. The fandom knows they're overpriced (even with the numerous justifications), GW knows they're overpriced, stock holders know they're overpriced. At this point it's basically shouting at a hurricane, as even with the insane pricing, there's enough people with more money than sense to buy it to support GW, so they will continue to do it. The rest of us will probably pick one up second hand, when the comically rich get bored of it. The good thing is, with minimal options, there's no real downside to picking up a second hand one.

EDIT: If GW ever drops the price under 100 CAD, I will probably buy one. However I feel 80 CAD is a fairer price (considering that the Valkyrie, a model of similar size with twice the amount of sprues, hence twice the plastic, as Morty can cost only that much and still turn a profit).

Except that the Valkyrie is guaranteed to sell more, so doesn't require as much to recoup losses. The Valkyrie sculpt also didn't require nearly as much time sculpting and designing, so it was priced lower. The price of plastic is almost negligible when compared to these two points. Also, By that logic, all shoes should cost the exact same price, as they are of similar size and quantity of material. Is it overpriced? A bit. But I can't find any competitors that can provide me with better alternatives; they come close, but always fall short.

Purifier wrote:When they first started showing his stats, I felt like "well, he's really powerful, but at least you can focus him down with mass fire"

<GW> Oh, did we forget to tell you about Deathshroud?

The price is completely unreasonable. 60-70usd would be reasonable. The thing is, they've costed him like the size he is, and then they've added the character tax. The character tax is on every character that your army only ever needs one of. they always cost considerably more than anything you can use several of.

The Deathshroud is a little better because of the excess amounts of Lords of Contagion floating around. I'm willing to bet people can convert up entire units of Deathshroud at a quarter of the price just by buying second-hand Lords of contagions and adding a scythe.

cerberus_ wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Overcosted as always, but this is becoming a trend with GW's bigger monstrosities. However I was hoping he was similar to Magnus in terms of price, not more expensive (especially since it looks like Morty is smaller than Maggie, in physical body if not in square volume). Costing just as much as a Knight Titan (whom I've already considered to be overcosted) is just not feasable for me.

However complaining about price is beating a dead horse at this point. The fandom knows they're overpriced (even with the numerous justifications), GW knows they're overpriced, stock holders know they're overpriced. At this point it's basically shouting at a hurricane, as even with the insane pricing, there's enough people with more money than sense to buy it to support GW, so they will continue to do it. The rest of us will probably pick one up second hand, when the comically rich get bored of it. The good thing is, with minimal options, there's no real downside to picking up a second hand one.

EDIT: If GW ever drops the price under 100 CAD, I will probably buy one. However I feel 80 CAD is a fairer price (considering that the Valkyrie, a model of similar size with twice the amount of sprues, hence twice the plastic, as Morty can cost only that much and still turn a profit).

Except that the Valkyrie is guaranteed to sell more, so doesn't require as much to recoup losses. The Valkyrie sculpt also didn't require nearly as much time sculpting and designing, so it was priced lower. The price of plastic is almost negligible when compared to these two points. Also, By that logic, all shoes should cost the exact same price, as they are of similar size and quantity of material. Is it overpriced? A bit. But I can't find any competitors that can provide me with better alternatives; they come close, but always fall short.

Might wanna read the rest of the thread first. Thanquol and Boneripper exists, has the same amount of detail, is roughly the same size (in fact I think Boneripper is bigger than morty's body) and has the same amount of sprues. But that costs closer to the valk. Morty has no excuse.

EDIT: The shoes analogy doesn't work. A pair of real leather shoes with metal accents will cost materially more than a pair of discount running shoes made out of nylon or whatever synthetics is poplar nowadays. Hell, even pleather shoes can be made to look exactly like the real leather shoes while the material only cost a fraction. And let's not even get into shoes made with rare materials. Not to mention a well-made pair of shoes can be cheap as well; I've worn no-name brand shoes that lasted longer and were more comfortable than the most expensive nike sneakers, despite the latter ostensibly being of a "higher quality".

Ah pricing complaints. A thing on every warhammer/40k forum since AOL was the primary ISP.

I still remember when the internet lost its **** when land raider came out in summer of 2000 and cost $45 and pages of threads comparing it to tamya M1-Abrams models and how GW was screwing people over with its costs and would go out of business any day now because its prices were too high.

Or the plastic skeleton kit. 20 plastic skeletons for $20. You'd have thought GW murdered everyone's mothers at that price point.

 lolman1c wrote:
The above post says it as it is! Gw is as scummy as ever and you all let it happen. I've studied cults (even wrote theories about them) and how GW market and sell feels extremely cult like to me. You're not buying a game peice, you're buying the thing you need to be the top of your club, the crown of your collection, a good looking cult member! If this was about £30 it honestly would be still more expensive than I'd like to see but more ideal for a company selling a hobby game.
I'm just as bad as I love 40k but I play Ork and buy everything from Ebay so I geuss that's that... XD
One last story, I had a friend with an art degree who worked at GW and he left because they paid him peanuts! He went to work at a shopping centre as a janitor because they paid double! So obviously all this money we're pumping in isn't going towards production.

So.... consumerism is a cult? We postmodern now.

cerberus_ wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
The above post says it as it is! Gw is as scummy as ever and you all let it happen. I've studied cults (even wrote theories about them) and how GW market and sell feels extremely cult like to me. You're not buying a game peice, you're buying the thing you need to be the top of your club, the crown of your collection, a good looking cult member! If this was about £30 it honestly would be still more expensive than I'd like to see but more ideal for a company selling a hobby game.
I'm just as bad as I love 40k but I play Ork and buy everything from Ebay so I geuss that's that... XD
One last story, I had a friend with an art degree who worked at GW and he left because they paid him peanuts! He went to work at a shopping centre as a janitor because they paid double! So obviously all this money we're pumping in isn't going towards production.

So.... consumerism is a cult? We postmodern now.

Not consumerism, GW. They have warriors defending them like a religion! If you can't see the difference between marketing from GW and a super market then no point having this discussion.

 auticus wrote:
Ah pricing complaints. A thing on every warhammer/40k forum since AOL was the primary ISP.

I still remember when the internet lost its **** when land raider came out in summer of 2000 and cost $45 and pages of threads comparing it to tamya M1-Abrams models and how GW was screwing people over with its costs and would go out of business any day now because its prices were too high.

Or the plastic skeleton kit. 20 plastic skeletons for $20. You'd have thought GW murdered everyone's mothers at that price point.

You must have missed the price hike of '12 (or was it '11? Can't remember). People treated like GW was denying humanitarian aid to flood victims. Petitions, boycotts, and in one case a drive-by-pieing happened.

 Lance845 wrote:
Here is the problem with the price.

https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-mortuary-prime-winged-limited-edition/

Mortarion official is 140.00 USD

Mortuary Prime Winged is 47.00 USD

You can get a unwinged version for 5 less euros.

They are both roughly the same size in proportion. GW Morty stands taller because he is in the air. Morty unofficial is easy enough to convert into a flying pose if you so choose.

Do you like the official weapons/wings more? I bet with the 93.00 you are saving you can buy the bits off ebay and still not be paying close to the official price. You could get the unofficial model and have a massive budget for bits to customize and kit bash with. I am sure many will be buying official Morty. Good on you.

For half the cost you could be building your own bad ass morty and at about 1/3rd the cost just have one thats good enough and by that I mean pretty great.

This dude is much cooler than the new gw Morty IMHO.
Wow.
I see no reason to stick with gw models anymore.
I am looking forward to a 41st age ruleset and counts as WYSIWYG models from third party sources becoming the community standard.
No reason not to.

I live in Notts, so sticking to GW sets makes a lot of sense for me, playing weekly on WW tables for free probably saves as much as I would by getting third party stuff. TBH as I look at the price hikes and the trends in quality, options, and inflation in general, I don't feel all that ripped off. Primaris Apothecary for £22, I'll draw the line there, but then I can easily kitbash a second hand Command Squad guy and Intercessor as an alternative if I ever want to pay for an extra wound on a support character. Big mark up on centrepiece models? If they made a big Lorgar, I'd happily throw £70 at my discounting FLGS for him. Still be far better value to me than a video game with preposterous amounts of content paywalled behind DLC and a subscription fee to boot. I looked at how much the full Smash Bros lot would cost when the basic game was on sale, and just unplugged my Wii U & headed off to Emporium to start my next detachment.


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Out of interest - how much profit do GW make on the boxed games? My FLGS discounts them 10% and even more than that on bulk/preorders, so the trade price must have some leeway. The minis in these sets work out even cheaper than the crappy monopose 1990s £10 tactical squad. What did you think this transnational corporation was doing, just writing off the opportunity cost of selling at that price? Or recouping it elsewhere with premium kits priced to compete with a limited edition release day videogame? When I was starting in the hobby, we were importing Chrono Trigger for £70 plus a new NTSC-PAL region adapter. If we'd had actual primarch kits, that didn't fall apart under their own weight due to being made of solid lumps of lead, that would have been the best main christmas present ever.

Capitalism wrings you for every drop. Prices are set at what they think the profit sweet spot will probably be. I'm a bloody commie, and I stopped complaining about GW prices when a friend asked me to price up her father-in-law's 56mm tin soldiers. HOLY CRAP do we get it good with warhammer kits that present countless creative possibilities. If your kid asks for a plastic monster that's more expensive than a larger Tamiya battleship, just be glad it's an actual thing that exists and not a pile of Monopoly money to feed the free-to-play racket.

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

It's Fudge. I can only imagine someone's secondary account made only to try and troll/seed dissent (as if that's needed on this forum.) Just look at the rest of his posts. Especially the threads he started.