Mortarion

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**MechaEmperor7000**

lindsay40k wrote:
I live in Notts, so sticking to GW sets makes a lot of sense for me, playing weekly on WW tables for free probably saves as much as I would by getting third party stuff. TBH as I look at the price hikes and the trends in quality, options, and inflation in general, I don't feel all that ripped off. Primaris Apothecary for £22, I'll draw the line there, but then I can easily kitbash a second hand Command Squad guy and Intercessor as an alternative if I ever want to pay for an extra wound on a support character. Big mark up on centrepiece models? If they made a big Lorgar, I'd happily throw £70 at my discounting FLGS for him. Still be far better value to me than a video game with preposterous amounts of content paywalled behind DLC and a subscription fee to boot. I looked at how much the full Smash Bros lot would cost when the basic game was on sale, and just unplugged my Wii U & headed off to Emporium to start my next detachment.

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Out of interest - how much profit do GW make on the boxed games? My FLGS discounts them 10% and even more than that on bulk/preorders, so the trade price must have some leeway. The minis in these sets work out even cheaper than the crappy monopose 1990s £10 tactical squad. What did you think this transnational corporation was doing, just writing off the opportunity cost of selling at that price? Or recouping it elsewhere with premium kits priced to compete with a limited edition release day videogame? When I was starting in the hobby, we were importing Chrono Trigger for £70 plus a new NTSC-PAL region adapter. If we'd had actual primarch kits, that didn't fall apart under their own weight due to being made of solid lumps of lead, that would have been the best main christmas present ever.

Capitalism wrings you for every drop. Prices are set at what they think the profit sweet spot will probably be. I'm a bloody commie, and I stopped complaining about GW prices when a friend asked me to price up her father-in-law's 56mm tin soldiers. HOLY CRAP do we get it good with warhammer kits that present countless creative possibilities. If your kid asks for a plastic monster that's more expensive than a larger Tamiya battleship, just be glad it's an actual thing that exists and not a pile of Monopoly money to feed the free-to-play racket.

I have no idea what the actual figures are but according to two separate FLGSs here, the boxed games sell far better than 40k stuff proper. In fact Bloodbowl has overtaken 40k in terms of sales (which is astounding considering it's made up of one big box game and several tiny sets) in one of the stores. So I would guess net profits are better on the boxed games.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Lance845 wrote:
Here is the problem with the price.

https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-mortuary-prime-winged-limited-edition/

Mortarion official is 140.00 USD

Mortuary Prime Winged is 47.00 USD

You can get a unwinged version for 5 less euros.

They are both roughly the same size in proportion. GW Morty stands taller because he is in the air. Morty unofficial is easy enough to convert into a flying pose if you so choose.

Do you like the official weapons/wings more? I bet with the 93.00 you are saving you can buy the bits off ebay and still not be paying close to the official price. You could get the unofficial model and have a massive budget for bits to customize and kit bash with. I am sure many will be buying official Morty. Good on you.

For half the cost you could be building your own bad ass morty and at about 1/3rd the cost just have one thats good enough and by that I mean pretty great.

Honestly I find that model much uglier and somehow busier than the regular one, which doesn't make any sense.

**FudgeDumper**

Charistoph wrote:
FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

Its only an insult if it isn't true.

**Bluebeard**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Here is the problem with the price.

https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-mortuary-prime-winged-limited-edition/

Mortarion official is 140.00 USD

Mortuary Prime Winged is 47.00 USD

You can get a unwinged version for 5 less euros.

They are both roughly the same size in proportion. GW Morty stands taller because he is in the air. Morty unofficial is easy enough to convert into a flying pose if you so choose.

Do you like the official weapons/wings more? I bet with the 93.00 you are saving you can buy the bits off ebay and still not be paying close to the official price. You could get the unofficial model and have a massive budget for bits to customize and kit bash with. I am sure many will be buying official Morty. Good on you.

For half the cost you could be building your own bad ass morty and at about 1/3rd the cost just have one thats good enough and by that I mean pretty great.

Honestly I find that model much uglier and somehow busier than the regular one, which doesn't make any sense.

+1

I find the GW model much superior, 50 times better

**auticus**

I agree. The GW model just looks loads better. I can see the appeal if your #1 concern is money. But to me you get what you pay for.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

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Bluebeard wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Here is the problem with the price.

https://wargameexclusive.com/shop/chaos/chaos-mortuary-prime-winged-limited-edition/

Mortarion official is 140.00 USD

Mortuary Prime Winged is 47.00 USD

You can get a unwinged version for 5 less euros.

They are both roughly the same size in proportion. GW Morty stands taller because he is in the air. Morty unofficial is easy enough to convert into a flying pose if you so choose.

Do you like the official weapons/wings more? I bet with the 93.00 you are saving you can buy the bits off ebay and still not be paying close to the official price. You could get the unofficial model and have a massive budget for bits to customize and kit bash with. I am sure many will be buying official Morty. Good on you.

For half the cost you could be building your own bad ass morty and at about 1/3rd the cost just have one thats good enough and by that I mean pretty great.

Honestly I find that model much uglier and somehow busier than the regular one, which doesn't make any sense.

+1

I find the GW model much superior, 50 times better

I hate the wargamexclusive models, I'm sure there is a good, cheap 'not-Mortarion' but I'd never get it from them.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Just like to remind people that the little yellow triangle exists if you think someone broke rule #1.

**Lance845**

There are certainly other less expensive options.

http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=1292 30.12 usd

http://hitechminiatures.com/morbid-angels/55-28-archfather-mortimer-.html 28.72 usd.

**cerberus_**

lolman1c wrote:
cerberus_ wrote:
lolman1c wrote:
The above post says it as it is! Gw is as scummy as ever and you all let it happen. I've studied cults (even wrote theories about them) and how GW market and sell feels extremely cult like to me. You're not buying a game peice, you're buying the thing you need to be the top of your club, the crown of your collection, a good looking cult member! If this was about £30 it honestly would be still more expensive than I'd like to see but more ideal for a company selling a hobby game.
I'm just as bad as I love 40k but I play Ork and buy everything from Ebay so I geuss that's that... XD
One last story, I had a friend with an art degree who worked at GW and he left because they paid him peanuts! He went to work at a shopping centre as a janitor because they paid double! So obviously all this money we're pumping in isn't going towards production.

So.... consumerism is a cult? We postmodern now.

Not consumerism, GW. They have warriors defending them like a religion! If you can't see the difference between marketing from GW and a super market then no point having this discussion.

So almost every video game franchise, television series, car manufacturer, etc. are cults for having fanboys defend them? Either you aren't elaborating your position to it's fullest, or this line of reasoning is faulty.

**lindsay40k**

I think the Nurglings are cute

**nekooni**

Lance845 wrote:
There are certainly other less expensive options.

http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=1292 30.12 usd

http://hitechminiatures.com/morbid-angels/55-28-archfather-mortimer-.html 28.72 usd.

Are those similar in size? the hitech one says Feet to the eyeline dimension: 45 mm

**Purifier**

I'd definitely agree that the alternative given is not at all better than the GW one (in fact I find the GW considerably better,) and anyone that says the GW Mortarion looks too cartoony must bleed from the eyes when seeing that alternative. Everything bulges in comical ways on it.

That said, it's not a horrible model, and it is a fraction of the cost, so I can definitely see it being an alternative if you want to restrict your GW splurging.

The only really good Mortarion model in my opinion is the FW Mortarion, but he's much smaller. I imagine a nice huge scenic base for him would be an acceptable substitute though. I don't know if everyone realises this, but the new Morty is on a 100mm base. He's monstrously big.

**Charistoph**

FudgeDumper wrote:
Charistoph wrote:
FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

Its only an insult if it isn't true.

Incorrect. An insult is an attack, it doesn't matter the truthfulness or not. You deliberately attacked everyone who wants to get Mortarion as flawed. You also deliberately attacked everyone who is currently purchasing, has purchased, or will purchase 40K, over this model. That would include yourself if the shoe fits.

Simply put, there is no need for this and is actually counter to the rules of this forum.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Purifier wrote:
I'd definitely agree that the alternative given is not at all better than the GW one (in fact I find the GW considerably better,) and anyone that says the GW Mortarion looks too cartoony must bleed from the eyes when seeing that alternative. Everything bulges in comical ways on it.

That said, it's not a horrible model, and it is a fraction of the cost, so I can definitely see it being an alternative if you want to restrict your GW splurging.

The only really good Mortarion model in my opinion is the FW Mortarion, but he's much smaller. I imagine a nice huge scenic base for him would be an acceptable substitute though. I don't know if everyone realises this, but the new Morty is on a 100mm base. He's monstrously big.

Actually I think someone did a photoshop scale of the models and the FW mortarion's body isn't that much smaller than the GW one (like, the difference is basically the percentage between a tactical marine and a deathwatch marine). It's the random junk he has on and gigantic wings that makes him big.

**Purifier**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Purifier wrote:
I'd definitely agree that the alternative given is not at all better than the GW one (in fact I find the GW considerably better,) and anyone that says the GW Mortarion looks too cartoony must bleed from the eyes when seeing that alternative. Everything bulges in comical ways on it.

That said, it's not a horrible model, and it is a fraction of the cost, so I can definitely see it being an alternative if you want to restrict your GW splurging.

The only really good Mortarion model in my opinion is the FW Mortarion, but he's much smaller. I imagine a nice huge scenic base for him would be an acceptable substitute though. I don't know if everyone realises this, but the new Morty is on a 100mm base. He's monstrously big.

Actually I think someone did a photoshop scale of the models and the FW mortarion's body isn't that much smaller than the GW one (like, the difference is basically the percentage between a tactical marine and a deathwatch marine). It's the random junk he has on and gigantic wings that makes him big.

You sure they got it right?

Compare them, and remember that FW is on 60mm base, GW is on 100mm base.

**Galas**

FW mortarion even without the wings and all the other things GW's mortarion has, is noticiable smaller. The photo comparison MechaEMperor is talking about didn't taked in account how GW's Mortarion has his legs flexionated and his head is forward. He isn't in a straight pose.

**Amishprn86**

If thats a 60mm base compare to a 100mm, can you resize the 60mm base to fit the difference of the 100mm base?

**Purifier**

Amishprn86 wrote:
If thats a 60mm base compare to a 100mm, can you resize the 60mm base to fit the difference of the 100mm base?

I threw up a quick comparison with a rough measurement, but it's probably a little off and angles probably isn't helping, because while I maintain new Morty is huge, this one just looks way too much... but I mean.. feel free to measure it up. The ratios do check out, as far as that can help us here. Going by base size and that he's a little angled, it seems like he has a wing span of almost 20cm.

**MechaEmperor7000**

I think the pic I saw had FW morty repositioned in a more floaty pose with putty, but yeah now that I think about it the GW one was chunkier. Nurgle likes em EXTRA THICC.

However I think FW morty is a bit larger than that. That comparison photo would put FW morty roughly the same size as a normal Plague Marine

(image from GW's own website)

**Purifier**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I think the pic I saw had FW morty repositioned in a more floaty pose with putty, but yeah now that I think about it the GW one was chunkier. Nurgle likes em EXTRA THICC.

However I think FW morty is a bit larger than that. That comparison photo would put FW morty roughly the same size as a normal Plague Marine

The new Plague Marines are Primaris-sized. It's actually not far off. My friend just painted his FW Morty, and it doesn't look out of place among his Plague Marines. Slightly bigger in the way a minor character might be, but not monstrous in any way. If anything, your picture makes me believe my comparison is closer than I thought.

**Amishprn86**

WOW thanks, yeah it will be off a bit, and the nurgle is off putting to b.c its larger than a normal SM.

TYVM for that comparison

**Fhanados**

I like the model and have a small Death Guard force, but I won't be buying Mortarion. My main Chaos army is non-nurgle and it would seem weird to have Morty leading a massive undivided force.

That aside I think the price is unreasonable. He's only $10 AUD more than Magnus, which is fair enough (I expected more) but that still puts him at $230 AUD. I can give GW a pass on upping the price $10-20 over the US for infantry kits, tanks and whatnot but it is very hard to stomach over a $50 AU difference for no good reason.

**Amishprn86**

From Bols, he makes Gman look like a SM XD

**Elbows**

He's not a tiny mini. They showed him next to Magnus and he's easily 90% of Magnus' size (losing out on sheer bulk, and larger wings).

I think he's overstyled, but I think a good modeler/painter could turn him into a gem. The colour scheme GW has done on all of their Death Guard stuff is pretty garbage (and ruins the aesthetic of the entire line even moreso). I wish he was much better styled/modeled, personally. I've always preferred a more creepy, less 3rd-grader styled Chaos aesthetic though.

At $140 he's in the stratosphere price range for miniatures...but it's what people pay, particularly for GW products (which, like it or not have a rather unique consumer base).

Rules-wise I think he's a friggin' boss, and in general find the entire Death Guard codex to look really damn strong - and I think it's the start of some serious codex creep as expected.

**Charistoph**

Also consider from a gameplay perspective, you're only going to buy one.

Sure, some gluttons may buy more for reselling because they are awesome painters who can make Midas jealous with all the golden touch they have, or whatever other reason some people buy more than one of a Unique model, but that is a point to its cost.

The average person would only ever buy one, so GW seeks to milk it as much as possible. Mortarion is not like a Vendetta which a person might buy enough to recreate the Ride of the Valkyries Age of Apocalypse scene with, so that is another reason for the price point. It sucks for you and me, but they do have to pay for those plastic molds somehow.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Found the image, I thought it was buried in a thread somewhere but turns out it was on the first page of the rumors, just way down there.

And him next to Magnus

in terms of pure height he's about the same as Magnus with his wingspan, but Magnus's body is considerably larger than Morty.

Also I think far more Mortarions will sell than Magnus, and I think this might actually be why he's more expensive; he's perfect as the basis for the conversion of a Daemon Prince with Wings (not even just nurgle). He's not comically huge like Magnus and comes with wings, and is one of the few DP-sized models with actual Power Armor (the current plastic DP set only has the upper chest, not the legs, which makes them look weird).

**Galas**

As I said, the first comparison picture with FW Mortarion isn't right. As you can see in the 360º pick in GW site, Mortarion head is inclined forward, he isn't straight. Plus, he has his legs flexed.
GW's Mortarion is notably bigger than FW one. (In the other hand, GW Guilliman is nearlly the same size as FW's Guilliman)

I don't think Magnus is much taller than Mortarion if Mortarion was straight like Magnus is, but Magnus is bigger in general, more taller and wide.

**Charistoph**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Also I think far more Mortarions will sell than Magnus...

Considering how popular Nurgle armies are and how unpopular Tzeentch armies are, that's not a stretch.

Now, who would sell more between Mortarion and Angron....

**MechaEmperor7000**

I was gonna do a comparison between Magnus's Thigh size and Morty's torso but when I clicked on Magnus I noticed his price is actaully 160. I think I complained Morty had a larger proportional price hike earlier? I take that back. Both of them are overcosted! (Magnus actually has three sprues compared to Morty's 2, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because his sprues are less cluttered than Morty's and Magnus is largely hollow)

But yeah if you look at the sprues, Magnus's one leg is anywhere from two and a half to three times the length of Morty's torso. And Magnus's leg isn't even outstretched fully (unlike Morty's leg).

However Magnus is always known as the biggest of the Primarchs, so i can understand why he suddenly hit Daemon Puberty when he ascended while Mortarion only gained an inch.

**Purifier**

Why would anyone use a fw mortarion that has obviously been greenstuffed to be considerably taller than he actually is, in order to make a size comparison? Not to mention that he has been reposed to be fully stretchdd, while the new morty is curled in.