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 Purifier wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

It's Fudge. I can only imagine someone's secondary account made only to try and troll/seed dissent (as if that's needed on this forum.) Just look at the rest of his posts. Especially the threads he started.

Yeah the username gives the likely intentions away...

GW prices is terrible but looking at the other retailers he costs around 75€. Its still expensive for a plastic figure but given that hes a big and cool centerpiece model you only buy one of and hopefully will get used on the table til and from for a couple of years I think I will get the value back. Just painting him will probably be 50+ hours with my speed..

I bought Nagash when he came out and everyone felt it was outrageous then. If I were a Deathguard player, I'd definitely pick him up.

His face looks really angry

Graceslick wrote:


Its still expensive for a plastic figure but given that hes a big and cool centerpiece model you only buy one of and hopefully will get used on the table til and from for a couple of years I think I will get the value back.

IMHO that's the real problem. GW is going towards the direction that those superheroes are needed and armies can't play without them unless being less competitive. Facing guilliman, mortarion, celestine, etc EVERY SINGLE GAME is boring. But if you pay a price like that for a single model, how can you bench it?

Every single model that I buy is part of the army, not the army itself, and I love using all the models in my collection, or at least the majority of them. Facing everytime the same list is boring and kills the game. If you include guilliman in a SM list you're forced to play a gunline with tanks, devastators and flyers, always the same list with few variations. And we're talking about an army with tons of options. Deathguard don't have the SM catalogue and I fear that this big superhero would show up everytime if you face his faction, always joined by the same units which would be the ones with the best synergies with the big guy.

 jeff white wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

It's Fudge. I can only imagine someone's secondary account made only to try and troll/seed dissent (as if that's needed on this forum.) Just look at the rest of his posts. Especially the threads he started.

Yeah the username gives the likely intentions away...

Who keeps deleting my posts, how come the original offender's posts didn't get deleted? This is my first and only account and I am 100% sincere. I always go by this username because I love fudge and I love dumpers. I'm sorry that I came in here and destroyed your little paradise, but one should never fear criticism. If everyone just keeps complimenting each other how great we are we will continue to lower our standards.

 Blackie wrote:

Graceslick wrote:


Its still expensive for a plastic figure but given that hes a big and cool centerpiece model you only buy one of and hopefully will get used on the table til and from for a couple of years I think I will get the value back.

IMHO that's the real problem. GW is going towards the direction that those superheroes are needed and armies can't play without them unless being less competitive. Facing guilliman, mortarion, celestine, etc EVERY SINGLE GAME is boring. But if you pay a price like that for a single model, how can you bench it?

Every single model that I buy is part of the army, not the army itself, and I love using all the models in my collection, or at least the majority of them. Facing everytime the same list is boring and kills the game. If you include guilliman in a SM list you're forced to play a gunline with tanks, devastators and flyers, always the same list with few variations. And we're talking about an army with tons of options. Deathguard don't have the SM catalogue and I fear that this big superhero would show up everytime if you face his faction, always joined by the same units which would be the ones with the best synergies with the big guy.

Truth to the nines, man.

 Blackie wrote:

Graceslick wrote:


Its still expensive for a plastic figure but given that hes a big and cool centerpiece model you only buy one of and hopefully will get used on the table til and from for a couple of years I think I will get the value back.

IMHO that's the real problem. GW is going towards the direction that those superheroes are needed and armies can't play without them unless being less competitive. Facing guilliman, mortarion, celestine, etc EVERY SINGLE GAME is boring. But if you pay a price like that for a single model, how can you bench it?

Every single model that I buy is part of the army, not the army itself, and I love using all the models in my collection, or at least the majority of them. Facing everytime the same list is boring and kills the game. If you include guilliman in a SM list you're forced to play a gunline with tanks, devastators and flyers, always the same list with few variations. And we're talking about an army with tons of options. Deathguard don't have the SM catalogue and I fear that this big superhero would show up everytime if you face his faction, always joined by the same units which would be the ones with the best synergies with the big guy.

A valid concern, and one that is mostly remedied by the local meta or player base. Tournaments will always be taking the best options available, given that its a more competitive setting. I personally love fielding Guilliman at any time possible in my Primarily Primaris force, but I've had some rather unsubtle comments leveled at me by certain CAAC players in the area, and rather than lose out on having matches, I'll opt to not take him some times.

And the same will be for when I pick up Mortarion. I'll make an effort to bring strong lists without the big super-characters, but I will enjoy the game the post when I can put my big shiny toys on the table. It's definitely a matter of personal opinion when it comes down to the use of special characters or giant super-characters. The "Review Copies" of Morty and the Codex, the opinion thus far seems to be that he's a strong character, fun to use, but he's not overbearing and a must take every game. So, not like Guilliman. Hopefully.

I'm loving the model Mortarion has, and I can't wait to put a non-gakky paint scheme on him. Not that I'm the best painter around, but I hate the cartoonish green chosen for GW paint jobs. I can't wait to put muddy, filthy white colour and pestilent green accents all over it. Like a dirtier, mutated version of 30k Death Guard.

Does CAAC mean Complain At All Costs?

 lindsay40k wrote:
Does CAAC mean Complain At All Costs?

It could, honestly. It's more like the opposite of Win At All Costs, I've seen it thrown around on forums a little bit, and it's spread a bit in my local meta.

Casual At All Costs. Gimping yourself for perfect fluffy lore appropriate lists, to the point that the list is just trash. Mixed with complaining about more competitive/ tournament or stronger lists for not being fluffy.

CAAC is like WAAC in that it is a term thrown around by people wishing to discredit the other side by namecalling rather than with an actual argument.

FudgeDumper wrote:


You just described the favourite customer of any company, the person who lack objective thinking. Mortarion is a universally flawed creation, if you like it I am happy for you, but you can not use "I like it" as leverage when judging something so structurally complex and with so many dormant facets like a manifestation in 3d space.

You are trying way too hard to sound smart.

About the model: I like it and pre-ordered it despite it being a bit too pricey.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
CAAC is like WAAC in that it is a term thrown around by people wishing to discredit the other side by namecalling rather than with an actual argument.

Truth again.

Not a fan of the model and not a fan of the general trend towards becoming Superherohammer.

moar swirly gak (tm), take that you wicked recasters

I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

I would imagine neither Perturabo nor Angron to have wings.

We will find out eventually I guess.

I think all the images of Mortarion have wings once he ascended/ descended to Daemon Prince status. I think Angron is the same I've not seen pics of Perturabo or Lorgar. Not sure on Fulgrim I know he has 2 heads.
I'm hoping Ferrus Manus is just a head with wings if they resurrect him.

Bluebeard wrote:

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

I would imagine neither Perturabo nor Angron to have wings.

We will find out eventually I guess.

Actually Angron has wings



But probably they'll reimagine him like Mortarion, because he is basically a Bloodthirster but with power armour.

FudgeDumper wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

It's Fudge. I can only imagine someone's secondary account made only to try and troll/seed dissent (as if that's needed on this forum.) Just look at the rest of his posts. Especially the threads he started.

Yeah the username gives the likely intentions away...

Who keeps deleting my posts, how come the original offender's posts didn't get deleted? This is my first and only account and I am 100% sincere. I always go by this username because I love fudge and I love dumpers. I'm sorry that I came in here and destroyed your little paradise, but one should never fear criticism. If everyone just keeps complimenting each other how great we are we will continue to lower our standards.

I think you need a bit more of a carrot approach rather than the stick.
If you had said that you didn't like the design of Mort and he was far to expensive for your taste. Most other posters would have thought fair enough but to call everyone who buys the model flawed is naive to say the least
I suppose in the grand scheme of things we're all flawed along with our creations.


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 Galas wrote:

Bluebeard wrote:

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

I would imagine neither Perturabo nor Angron to have wings.

We will find out eventually I guess.

Actually Angron has wings



But probably they'll reimagine him like Mortarion, because he is basically a Bloodthirster but with power armour.

And dreadlocks

Angron and Fulgrim, should they arrive, have a better chance of resembling their canon ascended look, simply because they have both reached that stage in the HH series, consequently to depart too far from those would require a certain amount more retconning than Morty or Magnus did.

Rabbitholing here, but I build my lists and armies around narrative, with a few tweaks to make them competitive - for most of 7ed the core of my Word Bearers was a Possessed horde, and now I'm trying to field a model from every deity - and the games I've enjoyed most have been with a guy who fields what seems to be a very finely tuned T'au list that leaves me very little scope for error.

Since my Black Crusade is led by Lorgarians, Morty's not joining me except as a mural on a tank (well... I might get Angron - we do have history with him), but as long as someone's not going to get all Waluigi about a game then I'll happily play their Primarch-led minimaxed tournament list.

Where is the 'I'm not surprised he is £5 more than Magnus and prices for pure luxury items doesn't really concern me' option?

FudgeDumper wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

FudgeDumper wrote:Unfortunately it will sell because the player base is flawed.

What an interesting way to insult the posters who have shown interest in the model.

It's Fudge. I can only imagine someone's secondary account made only to try and troll/seed dissent (as if that's needed on this forum.) Just look at the rest of his posts. Especially the threads he started.

Yeah the username gives the likely intentions away...

Who keeps deleting my posts, how come the original offender's posts didn't get deleted? This is my first and only account and I am 100% sincere. I always go by this username because I love fudge and I love dumpers. I'm sorry that I came in here and destroyed your little paradise, but one should never fear criticism. If everyone just keeps complimenting each other how great we are we will continue to lower our standards.

There is criticism and then there is stating that you are the speaker of truth and all who fail to see it as devolving into simian beasts.

You don't need to compliment people. You just need to not insult them. And then, while your at it, you can offer criticism. Preferably with some kind of actual point.

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

Ascending to daemonhood often brings wings.


As for Morty. Meh. More Meh. More Overpriced Meh. Such an exciting time. I miss the days of 'No Special Characters-hammer'

$140 for one model is a bit high. I wasn't going to buy it regardless, though. I find my games have become more enjoyable if we bring lists in good faith, rather than trying to make a really powerful army.

Voss wrote:

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

Ascending to daemonhood often brings wings.

Indeed. Think about the options that the Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes have and you'll have a pretty good idea of that. As has been said, Portubo is unlikely to have wings, as he'd probably be closer to a Daemon Prince Obliterator.

Speaking of that, though. None of the living Loyal Primarchs will have actual wings ala the Daemon Primarchs. Corax is the closest, but his are mechanical, not organic. If they resurrect Sanguinius, that will be different, but he had them before the Great Crusade started, so long before Magnus or Mortarion would have had it.

IMO Magnus is a much nicer looking model. I like Death Guard, but I don't dig the overcrowded aesthetic of Mortarion and some of the other models.

 Charistoph wrote:

Voss wrote:

 SideshowLucifer wrote:
I'm curious why so many primarchs have wings. I would absolutely love Morty if he didn't have the swirly stuff and the wings and was able to be modeled standing.

Ascending to daemonhood often brings wings.

Indeed. Think about the options that the Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes have and you'll have a pretty good idea of that. As has been said, Portubo is unlikely to have wings, as he'd probably be closer to a Daemon Prince Obliterator.

Speaking of that, though. None of the living Loyal Primarchs will have actual wings ala the Daemon Primarchs. Corax is the closest, but his are mechanical, not organic. If they resurrect Sanguinius, that will be different, but he had them before the Great Crusade started, so long before Magnus or Mortarion would have had it.

IF they do resurrect Sanguinius it would be symbolically interesting if his new body was missing the wings...

 Blackie wrote:

Graceslick wrote:


Its still expensive for a plastic figure but given that hes a big and cool centerpiece model you only buy one of and hopefully will get used on the table til and from for a couple of years I think I will get the value back.

IMHO that's the real problem. GW is going towards the direction that those superheroes are needed and armies can't play without them unless being less competitive. Facing guilliman, mortarion, celestine, etc EVERY SINGLE GAME is boring. But if you pay a price like that for a single model, how can you bench it?

Every single model that I buy is part of the army, not the army itself, and I love using all the models in my collection, or at least the majority of them. Facing everytime the same list is boring and kills the game. If you include guilliman in a SM list you're forced to play a gunline with tanks, devastators and flyers, always the same list with few variations. And we're talking about an army with tons of options. Deathguard don't have the SM catalogue and I fear that this big superhero would show up everytime if you face his faction, always joined by the same units which would be the ones with the best synergies with the big guy.

Love the model and will buy, however, model wise, it does appears too expensive for what it is. The price should be closer to that of a Lord of Change or Bloodthirster.


I think that the superhero model is where we are going with competitive 40k, for better or worse. But it's actually more than that. They been introducing big powerful models for that past few years, all of which have been lamented by the playerbase at one time or another - read Wraithknights, Stormsurges, etc. So it's not all that new.

I have a Stormsurge and an Y'Vahra from Forgeworld. I have always tailored my casual games to my opponent's availability of choices, for their army, to avoid any issues. I think that should be common sense if you have have a Gulliman, Magnus, or Mortarion, and your opponent is doesn't have anything to deal with them. To keep it simple, I just ask if they are running any Lords of War. If yes, my big cool, powerful model is coming in. If not, then my Lord of War stay sidelined. With some common sense, something like Mortarion should never be a problem to play.

Characters and Lords of War are turning out to be the most point efficient units in the game now, which makes not taking them, not a real choice in competitive play. If there are choices of taking units that are close in efficiency, then you'd see more of a variety of units fielded. But in this edition, characters/lords of war are just nuts (especially Imperium/Chaos) so we will continue seeing them in droves until they are given more appropriate point costs for what they do.