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They were really an April Fool's joke??


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I just checked and the earliest reference I saw here in thread to the fish gnomes was late May. Were we just late to the party on Dakka?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The guns on the dwarf monster are godawful, they're proportioned like real-firing nerf missiles on action figure tanks.

So the fish gnomes... that was just a drawn out troll?

To be fair, that proportioning fits right in with the Dweghom's whole aesthetic and their psyche being utterly infused with conflict; those lads have dragons to fight and with the size of those things in Conquest's lore, the size of those guns isn't remotely problematic.

The fish gnomes always felt like an in-joke and haven't ever really been presented as anything else.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
those lads have dragons to fight

Actually they use drakes and other lesser draco forms. Dragons are either dead, hiding, or in one instance kept by a Raegh and tortured.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
those lads have dragons to fight

Actually they use drakes and other lesser draco forms. Dragons are either dead, hiding, or in one instance kept by a Raegh and tortured.

I'm aware of that (especially given one of those things is the very model I'm referring to...). Just pointing out what a lot of their weapons were designed for.

The fish gnomes come from a joke on the official discord when it first opened.

One of the vanguards did a photoshop picture of fish gnomes and said he wanted them in the game as a joke and it just never stopped from there.

Bit cruel to publish amazing concept art and then just go radio silent on it.

If they're not happening say they're not happening, so I can stop paying attention to your company.

Maybe you should pop into the discord and say that in a place where the devs can see it.

Honestly, they have a ton of potential, to the point that if I had money and an IP to slot them into I would pay them for the rights to the concept art and make it a thing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Maybe you should pop into the discord and say that in a place where the devs can see it.

Honestly, they have a ton of potential, to the point that if I had money and an IP to slot them into I would pay them for the rights to the concept art and make it a thing.

This seems to be the one that the trail of links on their website ultimately leads to.

https://discord.com/invite/xwsFZqE

We can go around and ask 3d print sculptors? It's not like PB even owns the idea, they started as a community meme.

I can 3d sculpt them well enough myself. It would be unethical to steal someone elses work, regardless of whether or not they own the idea of "fish gnomes" they do own the specific expression as shown in the concept artwork. As a smaller publisher they also more than deserve the opportunity to profit off the idea without the unfair competition of a plagiarist cutting into their margins.

Yes, clearly not the exact sketches. Would be silly tho if nobody ever did fish gnomes because one company's fanboys made it a meme despite the company wanting nothing to do with it.

I'd not be surprised if we get fishmen proper down the line.

Probably. They're going to have to introduce something down the line after they finished their current lineup. That's how miniatures companies work.

I think there's a dirth of deep sea lines, really.
And I mean proper deep sea stuff, like crab people and such, not another flavor of elf or undead.

Wrath of Kings had the right idea with Hadross.

They have 18 factions total planned. Its going to be an awful long time before they get everything done to introduce fish people as #19 lol.

New rider for the Hellbringer Drake and Old Dominion Character from last night's livestream.

 auticus wrote:
They have 18 factions total planned. Its going to be an awful long time before they get everything done to introduce fish people as #19 lol.

Really? Already 18? That's a lot.
Do we know what they are?
We know Dominion, Kingdoms, Dweghom, Wahrdun, Spires, Weavers, Nords and city states, but what are the other 12? Could one of those be fish people?


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Sasorijap wrote:
New rider for the Hellbringer Drake and Old Dominion Character from last night's livestream.

I like the new rider, I think he would be good as a stand alone character.
The Dominion guy looks nice as well.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 auticus wrote:
They have 18 factions total planned. Its going to be an awful long time before they get everything done to introduce fish people as #19 lol.

Really? Already 18? That's a lot.
Do we know what they are?
We know Dominion, Kingdoms, Dweghom, Wahrdun, Spires, Weavers, Nords and city states, but what are the other 12? Could one of those be fish people?
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The Quiet (the other 'elf' faction) are surely going to be another.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 auticus wrote:
They have 18 factions total planned. Its going to be an awful long time before they get everything done to introduce fish people as #19 lol.

Really? Already 18? That's a lot.
Do we know what they are?
We know Dominion, Kingdoms, Dweghom, Wahrdun, Spires, Weavers, Nords and city states, but what are the other 12? Could one of those be fish people?
.

The Quiet (the other 'elf' faction) are surely going to be another.

Oh that's right, there is a third flavor of elf. I just now remembered that they mentioned a not-Chinese faction too.
Ok so that's 8 known, what about the other 10? Surely they can't be rehashes of the previous factions?

That's what 40k does and it's a bit lame.

I guess there might be an Egypt faction? There's an Eastern Roman Empire faction, a Greek faction and Medieval Europe faction, so Egypt would be a logical choice, especially when other fantasy systems have it.
Not sure how they would go about though. Making it undead would just be copying tomb kings and tread on the Dominion's toes.
Animal people / demi gods, maybe?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 auticus wrote:
They have 18 factions total planned. Its going to be an awful long time before they get everything done to introduce fish people as #19 lol.

Really? Already 18? That's a lot.
Do we know what they are?
We know Dominion, Kingdoms, Dweghom, Wahrdun, Spires, Weavers, Nords and city states, but what are the other 12? Could one of those be fish people?
.

The Quiet (the other 'elf' faction) are surely going to be another.

Oh that's right, there is a third flavor of elf. I just now remembered that they mentioned a not-Chinese faction too.
Ok so that's 8 known, what about the other 10? Surely they can't be rehashes of the previous factions?

That's what 40k does and it's a bit lame.

I guess there might be an Egypt faction? There's an Eastern Roman Empire faction, a Greek faction and Medieval Europe faction, so Egypt would be a logical choice, especially when other fantasy systems have it.
Not sure how they would go about though. Making it undead would just be copying tomb kings and tread on the Dominion's toes.
Animal people / demi gods, maybe?

As well as the larger islands dotted on the outskirts of the map, there's possibly (even likely) landmasses we haven't seen yet, otherwise I'm not sure where another major nation-faction would currently fit; not without a development of the narrative. There's the other human tribes that could be folded into the Hundred Kingdoms (I know they've mentioned wanting to do alternative models for the different styles within the 100K) but outside of the Quiet, I can't think of another faction that's been explicitly mentioned (and we don't even know where they are). There could feasibly be anything appearing from the Wastes in the East; the Spires were busy messing with creation and there's more than the Old Dominion lingering out there from the aftermath of the Fall (some Dweghom went missing so maybe some different flavour of those). Swear I've seen mention of Halfling type folks but I don't think they'd be major players. Always scope for some shard of a Primordial to pop up out of nowhere.

18 seems ridiculously optimistic, how many get added a year, about one?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
18 seems ridiculously optimistic, how many get added a year, about one?

Yeah, 18 factions are a tall order without double dipping or rehashes.
I'd be happy with just 10 or 11, really.

Ok, there is a surprisingly substantial list of future factions that have been teased or openly discussed as concepts:

The Quiet
'Dwarves' (the Dweghom who didn't go full Dweghom with War)
Chinese, Maori, Arabic & Egyptian style factions in Conquest form.
Some manner of Lovecraftian Fish Horrors linked to Famine (not Gnomes...)
Apocrypha (possibly linked to the Celestial Hosts of Conquest/Creation)
High Asgard/Hel (so...sort of another flavour of Exile/Elf assuming they're still around?)
Scalios & Umbra; The Dragons who retained their full strength.
Keltonni; Druidic humans with links to the Weavers.
The Living Dead (apparently not Old Dominion - more like ghouls and zombies).
The Abyssal Host (totally not demons...) are mentioned in the lore but haven't necessarily been mentioned as a potential faction.

High Asgard sounds like a rehash of Nords, Dwarfs are a flavor of dweghom, Keltonni should be merged with Weavers and Living Dead sound like boring Dominion.

Not too thrilled about those, tbh. Sounds like the rehashes and faction bloat I was worried about.

Not sure how they're going to make the dragons into a complete faction, unless they're bringing out Dragonkin or something. Which would be unique I guess.

Good point about Famine, I do now recall reading that too.

Abyssal Host, Apocrypha, Chinese, Egypt, Maori and Arabs do sound like proper factions though, so that's +7 factions.
I'm curious as to what the Maori are going to be like. That's something you don't see often.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
High Asgard sounds like a rehash of Nords, Dwarfs are a flavor of dweghom, Keltonni should be merged with Weavers and Living Dead sound like boring Dominion.

Not too thrilled about those, tbh. Sounds like the rehashes and faction bloat I was worried about.

Not sure how they're going to make the dragons into a complete faction, unless they're bringing out Dragonkin or something. Which would be unique I guess.

Good point about Famine, I do now recall reading that too.

Abyssal Host, Apocrypha, Chinese, Egypt, Maori and Arabs do sound like proper factions though, so that's +7 factions.
I'm curious as to what the Maori are going to be like. That's something you don't see often.

To be honest I'm almost the reverse; I prefer the intertwined stories of each faction rather than just 'real life civilization through a Conquest lens'.

I think it's fairer to say that the Dweghom are more another flavour of Dwarf (or Crafter) but there's a very clear cultural divide between them so I don't mind. The Keltonni are pretty distinct as well; they're not like the Weavers at all beyond 'nature something something' as far as we know and presumably don't have anything like the same relationship or knowledge of life binding (so you won't be getting the pseudo-beast/elf hybrids). The two Dragons; no idea. They're currently beyond mortal comprehension.

High Asgard/Hel sounds... interesting. Especially given I'd have through they're kind of not around anymore. I'm very curious about them if only because it might shed a bit more light on what precisely happened during the Northern campaign and the Nord 'gods' managing to be destroyed but also cripple the Dominion (and what exactly they were in the first place beyond a very unique Spire).

I understand what you mean, its just from a game design perspective trying to create a fully fledged faction out of a footnote is going to be really hard and the end product may be unsatisfying.

Yes, there would be a clear cultural divide between dwarfs and dweghom, but dwarfs are really minor power, aren't they? Like, aren't they more or less extinct? How are they going to compete with the likes of major factions like 100 Kingdoms or Dweghom?
Now, if the Dwarfs were part of a larger faction, I'd get it. Maybe that's where the dragons come in; the dwarfs and other dragon servants are part of a larger faction.
But a standalone faction in a game where every other faction is a political and military powerhouse? That's just silly.

That's what GW did with their half-baked mini factions and it wasn't great. Remember how silly it was to see harlequins, knights or custodes as stand alone faction with their whopping roster of...less than 7 units? And it really just came down to GW wanting to sell more rule books? That's what I don't want to see.

Where can I find the information about third elven race 'The Quiet'?

18 race are planned before COVID-19 pandemic but their productivity is declining now. I want to know newest Long-term plan.

vultute wrote:
Where can I find the information about third elven race 'The Quiet'?

In the Companion book = printed rulebook.

Yeah there's really not much info about The Quiet, just a mention of them in the Spires background section. They were the Spires worker and soldier castes who serm to have basically had a socialist rebellion against Spires society and fled the continent never to be seen/heard from again.

In one of the talks in 2020 that I had transcripted on the Underspire before I let that expire they talked about the Quiet a little bit more. Essentially they are based off of the high elves and created their own civilization / nobility.

They even had some images of concept art (they were going all of the first ten or so factions in that discussion that they had planned).

I would expect another survey in a year or two about which faction to go after next.

The weavers were very far behind old dominion and the city states in votes, but I expect to see the Quiet in the new batch along with whatever else they are hankering to put out.

But I dont' expect such a survey until the end of 2023 at the earliest because we are just now going to start getting Old Dominion and City States I see sometime next year which still leaves Weaver Courts.

Yeah I think 1 faction per year is the target, which makes the idea of 18 factions somewhat absurd considering theyll still be releasing new ones 12+ years from now