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Oh waylaid games. Well thats done then. Unfortunate

Never had any problems with Wayland, and they're definitely making an effort push with Wild West Exodus - you definitely hear about it a hell of a lot more than before, which makes me hopeful for the games they have picked up now.

 Elemental wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'd love for these games to get consistent and solid support. Fingers crossed this is a way for the games to get out there again.

And hopefully a solid ruleset as well. There was a lot of neat conceptual stuff in Dystopian Wars especially, but in hindsight there was some bad special rules bloat, poor rules presentation and combat tended to boil down to "how many sixes can you roll?".

I certainly agree with all of this. Spartans exploding dice model just didn't make for interesting games, IMO of course, and their tendency to simply give up on older games made me very wary of buying into their newer games. I also found it quite hard to actually find people interested in their games.

Perhaps Wayland can remedy these issues now?

As for Wayland's retail branch all I can say is that my experience over the last few years suggests that it has gotten significantly better. My last 2 orders both arrived within 2 working days.

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Neutral news: Its Wayland, so if its in stock it only might be. Can you wait 6 months mate? Its really in stock honest. OK its not.
I'll see how this pans out before I buy anything.

I feel bad for Wayland that this 2012 era perception continues to exist, despite the fact they've had live inventory on their site for about four years now.

Wayland can still be slow at times; but yes their live inventory is now far more up-to date. And I've never had issues ordering from them with stuff coming through barring one or two paints when GW was changing their paints around. And in that case they refunded without being asked for inventory not sent.

They've improved communication for inventory stock and have never held back when asked about order status.

Maybe not the fastest; but generally cheap, reliable and good - they don't get to being as big as they are being bad all round.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Neutral news: Its Wayland, so if its in stock it only might be. Can you wait 6 months mate? Its really in stock honest. OK its not.
I'll see how this pans out before I buy anything.

I feel bad for Wayland that this 2012 era perception continues to exist, despite the fact they've had live inventory on their site for about four years now.

Have they finally got rid of that traffic light system where Green meant "we don't have it in stock but we might be able to order it this millennium" ?

Wouldn't know as once i moved my business to Element games i never looked back

Max that's been gone for ages; its now direct stock displays. If its in stock its got the number they've got in stock. They do appear to not be holding everything in stock, but when you consider how many game systems they do support and how large some can be its honestly no surprise that they can't tie their money up entirely with holding stock in everything. I've noticed a good few other online stores are not holding huge amounts in stock either these days - simply a sign of the times that retail market can't afford holding too much in unsold stock at any one point in time.

Wait times are about normal so you always know when there's going to be a wait.

There much better than they used to be though they still do have their moments. I've ordered four times this year I think. Most were here within a few days. But I know one took the best part of 6 weeks despite being in stock when ordered.

So when can we buy??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Does anyone know if they got the old stock too?

Great news! Even though I lack the time to invest further in it, I still like Dystopian Wars a whole lot and it is good to see it won't die out.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So when can we buy??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Does anyone know if they got the old stock too?

Word was there wasn't much old stock, but what there was went to them

they've not said when things will go on sale again,

they probably need time to plan what to do with things since they had to put the bid together on pretty short notice and a re-release with lots of stuff missing isn't going to work as well as one with everything ready to sell (except perhaps a new version of the rules)

Yeah there wasn't a lot of old stock. You have to understand that everything also has to be rebranded, even if there was old stock. That means packaging, at least time to print new inserts/labels if they are just doing blisters, etc. They also have to pallet everything up, ship it to their place, and take inventory. It will probably be a few months at least.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Neutral news: Its Wayland, so if its in stock it only might be. Can you wait 6 months mate? Its really in stock honest. OK its not.
I'll see how this pans out before I buy anything.

I feel bad for Wayland that this 2012 era perception continues to exist, despite the fact they've had live inventory on their site for about four years now.

I had this problem when I triet to buy from them the past November.
After doing an order and waiting a week without it being sent.
Wayland: "We don't have it in stock, but we'll receive it this Friday"
Me: "Ok thats totally fine"
The Tuesday of the next week
Me: "Ey, it isn't listed as send yet, what happened?"
Wayland: "Sorry, we are gonna receive it and send it to you this Friday"
Me: "Ok, I'll wait"
2 Weeks later
Me: "Ey, please, what happened why my order?"
Wayland: "Sorry, we will receive it this Friday and send it to you"
Me: "Ok, sorry, I want to cancel the order"
Wayland: "Ok, we'll cancell it"
Wayland cancells the order the same day. 13 days after that I haven't receive my money. I call for a paypal refund. They refund me in 2 hours.

But 5-6 months ago I bought a box that they had in stock and they send it the next day.

Yeah, there are enough stories like that still happening that I think saying they've totally reformed is a bit of an overstatement.

That said, I'm excited to see what they do with these new lines

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, there are enough stories like that still happening that I think saying they've totally reformed is a bit of an overstatement.

That said, I'm excited to see what they do with these new lines

This issue isn't restricted to Wayland or online retailers. Brick and Mortar stores do the same thing when you order stuff that isn't in stock. That is why I refuse to pay up front for special orders, if a store requires that, I don't shop there, I just find a place that has it in stock.
Could be worse, at my local store, I have to go into their computer and place my own orders with their distributor because owner claims he believes in a community run store (Basically he wants customers to do the work for him)

 Digclaw wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, there are enough stories like that still happening that I think saying they've totally reformed is a bit of an overstatement.

That said, I'm excited to see what they do with these new lines

This issue isn't restricted to Wayland or online retailers. Brick and Mortar stores do the same thing when you order stuff that isn't in stock. That is why I refuse to pay up front for special orders, if a store requires that, I don't shop there, I just find a place that has it in stock.
Could be worse, at my local store, I have to go into their computer and place my own orders with their distributor because owner claims he believes in a community run store (Basically he wants customers to do the work for him)

Hey, it could be worse. At least you know that the order has been placed, and you know when to expect it. It beats the old "made a special order, wasn't notified when it came in, and when I did go in to check, it was on the shelf for just anyone to buy"

 Dark Severance wrote:
Yeah there wasn't a lot of old stock. You have to understand that everything also has to be rebranded, even if there was old stock. That means packaging, at least time to print new inserts/labels if they are just doing blisters, etc. They also have to pallet everything up, ship it to their place, and take inventory. It will probably be a few months at least.

It also looks like they are going to streamline the rules by the questions they are asking on their facebook page. The only timeline they gave was 2018, so we are probably a long ways off before we see anything besides maybe a new website. These guys attend Adepticon/Gencon/Salute so I wouldn't be surprised to see the re-release timed around these conventions too.

D6 got a link for that - I've not yet found mention of things beyond the original news-post when they made the purchase

Hey good luck with this! I loved Dystopian Wars, but after almost 3 editions of rules, I finally had to give up. That game had one of the most poorly written rulesets I've even encountered.

Hope y'all put together something awesome

I'm going to have to agree that streamlined versions of the rules would be welcome...

 schoon wrote:
I'm going to have to agree that streamlined versions of the rules would be welcome...

I agree... the FSA rules were way too fiddly for my taste. But simplified FSA rules is really just Full Thrust (which is a great set of rules!)

Valete,

JohnS

I think the reason the rules had issues is because Spartan could never focus on all their games at once; so a game might wait ages for a new rules edition (and sometimes those editions never came).

They had a very messy approach to it so I think a company putting a bigger investment in and able to support all lines at once could make huge strides on the rules system.

The bigger question is how much of each range they are aiming to release in one go; and if they'll hold any specific things back for later release. One the one hand releasing a huge amount of stuff at once is a huge workload; on the other they've already got resin moulds for most of the range; then you've got existing fans who have already got extensive collections who are going to be kick-starting the relaunch of the game at the local level so new players will want those same shiny big toys and ranges of models.

 Overread wrote:
Really great to see all the products kept under one rood as it were; and great to see a big name picking them up and able to put serious investment and have support behind a relaunch. I greatly look forward to next year!

Any word on if you'll be able to contract any of the former Rebel staff such as designers? Also will you keep the range resin or shift toward plastics (or is it way too early to be maing such choices)

We are always on the look out for new experienced professionals to work within the studio, currently its very early days regarding production materials. Both resin and plastic have their merits, watch this space

Thanks for the reply Warcradle!

I look forward to next year and seeing what comes!

 Desubot wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
But then what happened to the Kickstarter stuff? I got the idea it was already produced and ready to ship when they turned off the lights?

From what i recall seeing a good part of them were ready molds done and stuff.

i think egypt was not ready yet nor leauge crimson.

To Kid_Kyoto and others looking for updates, you'll find most (and more) answers to your questions here - http://www.beastsofwar.com/warcradle-studios/warcradle-studios-acquires-dystopian-firestorm-settings/. We'll be keeping everyone updated with any new developments over the coming weeks and months.

Always wanted to try Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas, and Firestorm, (was not interested in Dystopian Legions) but never got around to any of them. Was ready to can the idea for good when Spartan went under, so this is good news. Looks like they will stay on the docket of things to try for now.

Stuart of Warcradle discusses their plans for The Dystopian, Firestorm, and Uncharted Seas settings on The Exploding Dice Podcast Episode 7.

http://www.freebootersnetwork.com/category/podcasts/exploding-dice-radio/

Things I picked out

Warcradle is bigger than Spartan with each game being done by a different internal team

They also have licence for Spartan Scenics

They want to have a "press ganger" style system of their own, but no firm plans on how they are going to do it just yet

Reaffirms that they are not responsible for KS and that they can't really do anything for backers - they didn't get any big stock or money from the KS.
They are looking at potentially performing a good will gesture, but nothing on the table as yet and it might never happen.

Dystopian Wars - they are expecting to put most of the newest sculpts into production (inc those developed under KS). Ergo showing the best and newest of the range

And that's as far as I've got before having to do other things.

I still feel for those stiffed on the Kickstarter.

It's hardly Warcradle's fault. Just sucks to have had your money taken and get nowt in return.

Ugh, what a bummer. Sounds like they've shipped out some of the KS rewards, but yea, that sucks to get the short end of the stick like that.

And also perhaps a bit rough for the new owners, Warcradle. I hope the potential for resentment of KS backers was taken into account in the purchase price...!

Good luck, DW is a fun game, and I'm glad to hear it may yet live again!