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Wulfey wrote:
Magnus and Mortarian:

If you didn't bring 5x dakkabots and Cawl, you lose. Nothing in the codex can efficiently hurt these guys because we don't have a source of mortal wounds that isn't 90 shots with Wrath of Mars.

Is 4 dakkabots enough? That's all I got that I can run WYSIWYG and the tournament is ITC format so I have to run REASONABLE proxies.

 LexOdin9 wrote:

Wulfey wrote:
Magnus and Mortarian:

If you didn't bring 5x dakkabots and Cawl, you lose. Nothing in the codex can efficiently hurt these guys because we don't have a source of mortal wounds that isn't 90 shots with Wrath of Mars.

Is 4 dakkabots enough? That's all I got that I can run WYSIWYG and the tournament is ITC format so I have to run REASONABLE proxies.

I use 4 Kastelans and 2 Icarus Crawlers. You do need to bring roughly 600 points of anti-Daemon Primarch though. Cawl is also rather mandatory for shooting.

Anyone try rust stalkers with stygie? Seems like their strategam eleviates the one big flaw they have of no transport to get them up the board. I know they aren't .000000001% most effective by spreadsheeting in a vacume that doesn't account for actual tactics and army composition, but I'm not interested in taking an army that's cawl+12 robots *yawn*. so I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried it who can comment.

Danny slag wrote:
Anyone try rust stalkers with stygie? Seems like their strategam eleviates the one big flaw they have of no transport to get them up the board. I know they aren't .000000001% most effective by spreadsheeting in a vacume that doesn't account for actual tactics and army composition, but I'm not interested in taking an army that's cawl+12 robots *yawn*. so I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried it who can comment.

I ran some today as a counter charge unit and all they succeeded in doing was allowing my opponent to tie his venoms in combat with them so I couldn’t shoot them. They lasted 2 rounds of combat and did virtually nothing, about 3 wounds on a venom. They’re essentially vanguard that can’t shoot for double the cost.

I only took them to be a target and fill points. I won’t be taking them again, snapping them and making them Infiltrators next chance I get....or I might leave them because they look badass in the hopes they somehow get a buff later. Unlikely. I’d go staff priests if I wanted to infiltrate a melee unit that wasn’t dragoons. Which incidentally my 3 strong unit of dragoons took out and entire incubi unit in one round, but that’s largely down to conqueror strat. Exploding on 4s at str 8 -1 and 2 dmg is probably better than the priests could do anyway.

Ruststalkers are probably the worst unit in AdMech. I would sooner take Servitors than them. >_>


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Ugh, finally finished another Dragoon. These things take forever, and I've been in crunch time at work all month.

Are we posting pics? Yesterday's WIP counts-as Celestine AdMech conversion for the upcoming Nov tourney I mentioned earlier.

I never depend on one unit. I use 4* robots and 5-10 staff priests stygia


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But recently I'm considering 2 neutron and the third an icarus since I don't want to spend cp s. But but but. I use it in stygies cause I don't have room in Mars batt and then I gotta take a dominus and I'm still organising a list . Soup list is easy pure admech is the problem!!!

Danny slag wrote:
Anyone try rust stalkers with stygie? Seems like their strategam eleviates the one big flaw they have of no transport to get them up the board. I know they aren't .000000001% most effective by spreadsheeting in a vacume that doesn't account for actual tactics and army composition, but I'm not interested in taking an army that's cawl+12 robots *yawn*. so I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried it who can comment.

Never tried them with the stratagem yet, but I don't think I intend to neither. I use them as anti-TEQ due to the number of mortal wounds they can deal. Of all the games I've had with them in 8th I've almost always been satisfied with them. I believe Ryza might be good for them, since they'll reroll their 1s to Wound, giving more chance for mortal wounds.

I admit they should be cheaper though, like 80 pts instead of 100 for five of them with Razors & Chordclaws.

 LexOdin9 wrote:
Are we posting pics? Yesterday's WIP counts-as Celestine AdMech conversion for the upcoming Nov tourney I mentioned earlier.

Spoiler:

LOL. The entire idea of a Celestine with a Skitarius head is hilarious.


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Anyway, we might have spoken too soon. Here comes the Tyranid codex! (I wonder if they will combine with Genestealers.)

Suzuteo wrote:
Ruststalkers are probably the worst unit in AdMech. I would sooner take Servitors than them. >_>


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Ugh, finally finished another Dragoon. These things take forever, and I've been in crunch time at work all month.

Spoiler:

Faced down the Eldar yesterday. Their new book is way way way way stronger. Definitely jealous of the number of buffs they have while we got none. Really close game, but I won. Pictures here:

https://imgur.com/a/uEQlj

 ph34r wrote:
Faced down the Eldar yesterday. Their new book is way way way way stronger. Definitely jealous of the number of buffs they have while we got none. Really close game, but I won. Pictures here:

https://imgur.com/a/uEQlj

Yeah, Scat Bikes are back, and they're really mean too, with no penalties for moving AND a 20% cost reduction. The overall durability of their infantry improved as well.

What is the front-most Crawler conversion? The one that got blown up really fast. Breakdown of how it was made?

Nice pics what's your list?

Wulfey wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:
Ruststalkers are probably the worst unit in AdMech. I would sooner take Servitors than them. >_>


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Ugh, finally finished another Dragoon. These things take forever, and I've been in crunch time at work all month.

Spoiler:

I'm thinking of building PHEAR Crawlers and repurposing some Skitarii as my Master of Ordnance and Company Commander. (On a side note, I find it highly amusing how easy it is to backronym P.H.E.A.R. into Precision/Penetrating High Explosive Artillery Round/Rover.)

I will do some knife work and unseat the top half of my existing Crawlers, magnetize them; build one more of the legs and abdomen only. I will have 5 Crawler heads with 2 weapon choices each as well as 3 PHEAR heads to choose from.

Here is a list:

If Tyranids make a huge comeback though, ontop of the Eldar and Daemon Primarchs jetting around, I might just dock a Kastelan and 2x Neutron for 3x Icarus. I'm actually quite confident of the Earthshakers' ability to kill vehicles now that they have AP-3.

Suzuteo wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Faced down the Eldar yesterday. Their new book is way way way way stronger. Definitely jealous of the number of buffs they have while we got none. Really close game, but I won. Pictures here:

https://imgur.com/a/uEQlj

Yeah, Scat Bikes are back, and they're really mean too, with no penalties for moving AND a 20% cost reduction. The overall durability of their infantry improved as well.

What is the front-most Crawler conversion? The one that got blown up really fast. Breakdown of how it was made?

Bikes were just cheap mobility units. Ulthwe Craftworld, everything was quite tough.

The one that got one-shot by 5 deep striking wraithguard was a Catachan Leman Russ Conqueror.

Assembly instructions: crawler legs like normal, cut off the hemissphere same as with my earthshakers to have a flat join. Then add one of these with bits to taste:

https://bitsofwar.com/home/113-heavy-tank-turret-with-crusher-cannon-.html

Haha. I wonder where they keep the ammo. That barrel is as wide as the entire turret.

I think the Quantum Gothic aesthetic fits the Crawler better. I will probably put mine on skids.

Suzuteo wrote:
Haha. I wonder where they keep the ammo. That barrel is as wide as the entire turret.

I think the Quantum Gothic aesthetic fits the Crawler better. I will probably put mine on skids.

Yeah, not sure if I will make the turret barrel smaller. It needs a bit more overall, in addition to paint being in progress.

Post pics if you finish some artillery!

 Aaranis wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
Anyone try rust stalkers with stygie? Seems like their strategam eleviates the one big flaw they have of no transport to get them up the board. I know they aren't .000000001% most effective by spreadsheeting in a vacume that doesn't account for actual tactics and army composition, but I'm not interested in taking an army that's cawl+12 robots *yawn*. so I'm wondering if anyone has actually tried it who can comment.

Never tried them with the stratagem yet, but I don't think I intend to neither. I use them as anti-TEQ due to the number of mortal wounds they can deal. Of all the games I've had with them in 8th I've almost always been satisfied with them. I believe Ryza might be good for them, since they'll reroll their 1s to Wound, giving more chance for mortal wounds.

I admit they should be cheaper though, like 80 pts instead of 100 for five of them with Razors & Chordclaws.

I love the models but I can't get over how bad their rules are. I've tried to make them work in over 6 games and they just don't do it for me. I use Discosticks as my counter assault unit as they are more deadly and oddly enough more survivable and kick out almost as many mortal wounds. Lets us pray to the Cog God that they revamp Ruststalkers in the end of the year update.

Whoaaa. I just realized: Earthshaker Battery is not a vehicle! Cadia and Catachan doctrines don't work on them. And they can't be repaired!

So... I guess I will use the Militarum Tempestus doctrine instead? Thing is, I believe that I am not allowed to use that faction's keyword, so I guess it would have to be a custom regiment that just uses the MT doctrine. That means no Warlord trait, stratagem, or relic, just like Forge World regiments?

Also, this makes me wonder if the HQ tax in my Stygies detachment is worth it; I expected to park my Enginseers next to them. Maybe I will make a Mars Battalion and take the Dragoons as an Auxiliary detachment? Or just bite the bullet and pay the 104 points for 2 CP.

FInally, 130mm is okay for these Earthshaker batteries right? I read online that the legs of the original are 8.5" wide, but I'm not sure how reliable that is; that is MASSIVE relative to the size of an Earthshaker.

Earthshaker Battery is not a vehicle!

Well you are certainly right. Huh. Manticore Battery is a vehicle. Hydra Battery is a vehicle. Earthshaker Carriage is a vehicle.

The only thing I can think is "Forgeworld Can't Write Rules".

Oh I flubbed my last statement though. Cadian doctrine works with all models. So yeah, we can use that instead. But now that I mention it, Take Aim! + MT doctrine is pretty sick, since we get the Catachan volume reroll by default.

Suzuteo wrote:
Oh I flubbed my last statement though. Cadian doctrine works with all models. So yeah, we can use that instead. But now that I mention it, Take Aim! + MT doctrine is pretty sick, since we get the Catachan volume reroll by default.

I am under the impression right now that the Militarum Tempestus doctrine cannot be taken by anyone other than units that have the actual Militarum Tempestus word written in.

I'd love that to not be the case, though. Any reasoning in particular you think it is doable?

 ph34r wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:
Oh I flubbed my last statement though. Cadian doctrine works with all models. So yeah, we can use that instead. But now that I mention it, Take Aim! + MT doctrine is pretty sick, since we get the Catachan volume reroll by default.

I am under the impression right now that the Militarum Tempestus doctrine cannot be taken by anyone other than units that have the actual Militarum Tempestus word written in.

I'd love that to not be the case, though. Any reasoning in particular you think it is doable?

You are correct that you cannot take <Militarum Tempestus> because it is also a keyword, and there is a rule specifically forbidding it. However, you can make a custom regiment, like "Phear's Phollies" and, per the "pick the regiment doctrine that best represents your own" rule, select the MT doctrine. The downside though is that you cannot use anything that specifically needs the <Militarum Tempestus> keyword to work: orders, Warlord traits, stratagems, relics, unit abilities, etc.

Suzuteo wrote:
You are correct that you cannot take <Militarum Tempestus> because it is also a keyword, and there is a rule specifically forbidding it. However, you can make a custom regiment, like "Phear's Phollies" and, per the "pick the regiment doctrine that best represents your own" rule, select the MT doctrine. The downside though is that you cannot use anything that specifically needs the <Militarum Tempestus> keyword to work: orders, Warlord traits, stratagems, relics, unit abilities, etc.

Is this true? I would certainly like to use that keyword, but I have my doubts.

By your logic, if you had a Catachan doctrine list, but were not specifically Catachans, you could not take their Warlord Trait?

So anyone in the market for mars bots and crawlers thinking about going guard till fires comes out.

So I was looking into allies with my AdMech. Could Space Marines make a decent ally? I was thinking about maybe a dreadnought heavy list or Primaris. Thoughts? Might be nice to have tanky dreads with IH FnP to help soak some of the damage.

Hellblasters if you can get them to within 12" are 2x as good for the points as anti tank thannonagers or close to it


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Intercessors are wholly crap but good objective sitters


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Your standard tac squad will always be the same old low threat jack of all trades objective grabbers they've always been

 ph34r wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:
You are correct that you cannot take <Militarum Tempestus> because it is also a keyword, and there is a rule specifically forbidding it. However, you can make a custom regiment, like "Phear's Phollies" and, per the "pick the regiment doctrine that best represents your own" rule, select the MT doctrine. The downside though is that you cannot use anything that specifically needs the <Militarum Tempestus> keyword to work: orders, Warlord traits, stratagems, relics, unit abilities, etc.

Is this true? I would certainly like to use that keyword, but I have my doubts.

By your logic, if you had a Catachan doctrine list, but were not specifically Catachans, you could not take their Warlord Trait?

It's in the codex. It's also in our own codex in the Dogma section.

Correct. It is for cases like Salvar Chem-Dogs or Praetorian Guard.

militarum tempestus doesn't count for all that stuff. same for crusaders and the like they won't prevent the rest of the detatchment from getting the abilities but they themselves won't benefit.

also IIRC the way it works in the SM codex you can give them the specific traits for the warlord.