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2018/04/10 06:13:06
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Question from a noob, looking at getting a force of Imperial Knights to run with my Krieg, do the Knights benefit from the Forgeworld traits found in the Adeptus Mechanicus forces? Also I'm wanting to run a decent amount of Rangers, is it better to MSU teams of 5 or squads of 10 if I want to run lots of Arquebus?
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2018/04/10 06:45:42
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Iago40k wrote: so played a game against new crons on saturday. had a outrider detachment of custodes with 3x3 bikes, a -1 banner dude and 1 shield captain, a patrol detachment with company commander and aquila (warlord), scouts and a culexus. ADMech (Stygies) was a TPD, TPE, 4x vanguards and 3 Onagers (Icarus, Icarus, Neutron). Yeah he through the towel after round 2 (he had 2x10 immortals with tesla/gauss, 6 wraiths, 10 Lychguard, obiron and other overlords and the oh so nice destroyer drop with 6 of those dudes). Those bikers are so insanely good that I will stick to them and try to find a way to make them work with AdMech. Yet still no idea how since the soup Patrol detachment is very important as well and I am basically left with up to 738 points (578 if I take another shield captain). Gotta wait for that bloody FAQ but I think I found what I was looking for...well, if I find something from AdMech that would be great to accompany those bikes
What with a squad of Dragoons. Sure they don't fly, but are reasonable mobile and can handle tougher targets.
Yeah I love Dragoons and I would love to use them but they are very similar to vertus praetors sans the shooting. The problem is that they are walkers and with more and more terrain and runis on the battlefiled it gets tougher and tougher to use them efficiently. Plus I would like to have some anti-tank shooting and dunecrawlers are great for that, Balistarii are just too flimsy. I think I will give the Dragoons another try though just because theyve done so much for me^^
Maybe something like this
Spoiler:
Adeptus Custodes: Outrider Detachment - 1092 P
*************** 1 HQ ***************
Shield Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike, Interceptor lance, Hurricane bolter, AURIC AQUILAS - - - > 160 P
Suzuteo wrote: I am a ferocious kitbasher and really try to get mileage out of my bits.
I kept my Skitarii torsos and legs to make Secutarii; they are collecting dust now, and I really need to get around to repainting them.
I then bought a crapton of Anvil Industry Gothic Void Torsos (I prefer the plain back) and Short Greatcoat Legs. Also bought a ton of Radium Carbines. The result is $2 Skitarii Vanguard that can count as Rangers or Guardsmen. Every fifth one gets a Skitarii backpack and serves as an Alpha when I want them to. I also have Sergeants, Company Commanders, and recently, a Primaris Psyker made.
I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
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2018/04/10 09:04:35
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
*************** 1 FA ***************
4 Sydonian Dragoons, 4 x Taser lance - - - > 272 P
*************** 2 Heavy ***************
Onager Dunecrawlers, Icarus array - - - > 130 P
Onager Dunecrawlers, Icarus array - - - > 130 P
Arent you pretty light on serious high S weapons (except the Dragoons)?
ph34r wrote:
I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
Great looking models, thanks for the tip!
2018/04/10 11:34:42
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Suzuteo wrote: I am a ferocious kitbasher and really try to get mileage out of my bits.
I kept my Skitarii torsos and legs to make Secutarii; they are collecting dust now, and I really need to get around to repainting them.
I then bought a crapton of Anvil Industry Gothic Void Torsos (I prefer the plain back) and Short Greatcoat Legs. Also bought a ton of Radium Carbines. The result is $2 Skitarii Vanguard that can count as Rangers or Guardsmen. Every fifth one gets a Skitarii backpack and serves as an Alpha when I want them to. I also have Sergeants, Company Commanders, and recently, a Primaris Psyker made.
I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
Those models look ace! What did you use to make them. What are they representing?
2018/04/10 11:59:38
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
*************** 1 FA ***************
4 Sydonian Dragoons, 4 x Taser lance - - - > 272 P
*************** 2 Heavy ***************
Onager Dunecrawlers, Icarus array - - - > 130 P
Onager Dunecrawlers, Icarus array - - - > 130 P
Arent you pretty light on serious high S weapons (except the Dragoons)?
yes, verys light on it, but that is not that big of a deal since the bikers and dragoons can drop/infiltrate and their are, atm of course, very few targets for which you need high strength since almost everything sans banehammer chassis have an invul save. Even with my usual tournament list I took no shooting over S6 because with dakkastelans and wrath of mars you kill anything anyways. Now, if it will work without kastellans we will see but I will give it a go. If there is a need fo rmore anti-tank I can switch to neutrons.
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2018/04/10 12:41:42
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
18 bolter like barrels + icarus->neutron upgrade - 4x cognis, 2x storm bolter on scouts, 2x storm bolter on basilisks
10.5 average mortar shots from a mortar team
Thinking of dropping a mortar team to buy more bolters equivalents on my models.
... that image made my heart break... It barely qualifies as Admech at this point, its just.... soup. :(
Having to take soup to even stand a chance of winning is what has me not go to tournaments at all :/
Every damn (winnable) Imperium list either has Celestine or some Custodes, so where's the variety (not to mention guard CP batteries...)
That or a Kastelan Spam... but I guess every army has this phenomena nowadays.
It is 1200/2000 points of admech. And I have been a soup player for years. Every IMPERIUM list that wins more than it loses at an ITC tournament is SOUP. And they get soupier the higher you go up the ladder. You know most the codex is junk and nonviable in a tournament setting.
EDIT: to the above, yes, that we cannot reroll to wound is a big reason why admech is not viable solo. On top of having no 'scout' deployment and having half the codex being fluff only (sicarians, kataphrons, ballistari, fist kastelons, TPD).
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2018/04/10 15:28:55
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Suzuteo wrote: At lower points, Vanguard. At higher points, Rangers--maybe Vanguard if you have spare points. I recommend you build all of them as one type of unit so you can just counts-as them. My Skitarii are all Ranger heads on Anvil Industry bodies with Radium Carbines, and I have them count as Guardsmen, Vanguard, or Rangers depending on my need. (Just never mix them up.)
GKs are a decent complement to AdMech. Of course, this comes with the caveat that they are generally weak overall, but you seem to recognize that.
A single Knight is a better choice, since you can spam Rotate Ion Shields and even give it cover for a turn. A Warden or Crusader would definitely be better though. Any chance you have it magnetized?
So would something like this make sense to start out with ?
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I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
Nice! I never thought of attaching the sword to the back like that. My sergeants have no backpacks. I was distinguishing them from my Alphas, who do have backpacks. Though now, I am thinking the weapons can do that, and maybe I can make my fourth Sergeant like yours.
Here are mine though (built and primed, awaiting painting, like too much of my stuff):
Yeah, they fire those bolters one-handed like Space Marines. Biotics should be able to handle that easy. Haha.
gmaleron wrote: Question from a noob, looking at getting a force of Imperial Knights to run with my Krieg, do the Knights benefit from the Forgeworld traits found in the Adeptus Mechanicus forces? Also I'm wanting to run a decent amount of Rangers, is it better to MSU teams of 5 or squads of 10 if I want to run lots of Arquebus?
No. They do get the Canticles with the use of a stratagem though. And they can be repaired.
If you want a lot of Arquebuses, you want MSUs. Sniper rifles aren't that great in this edition in general though, especially without rerolls. Maybe try Dragoons or Kastelan Robots?
Emulgator wrote: So would something like this make sense to start out with ?
I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
Those models look ace! What did you use to make them. What are they representing?
They are:
Skitarii Ranger heads
Gothic Void (detailed back) torsos from anvil industrial
Greatcoat legs long from anvil industry
Bolter mkIII burning of prospero
Chainsword mkIII burning of prospero
They are Imperial Guard Infantry Squad Sergeants with chainsword, replace laspistol with bolter for 1 point
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The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
2018/04/11 05:06:40
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Note, picture is a bit deceptive, the phase carbines do not come with the very large night vision scope seen on the example model they use. That is a separate bit.
ph34r's Forgeworld Phobos blog, current WIP: Iron Warriors and Skaven Tau +From Iron Cometh Strength+ +From Strength Cometh Will+ +From Will Cometh Faith+ +From Faith Cometh Honor+ +From Honor Cometh Iron+
The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
2018/04/11 07:30:35
Subject: Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
I also strongly recommend the gothic void torsos. They look great with both the short and the long greatcoats. Here's my sergeants that I just finished:
Spoiler:
Those models look ace! What did you use to make them. What are they representing?
They are:
Skitarii Ranger heads
Gothic Void (detailed back) torsos from anvil industrial
Greatcoat legs long from anvil industry
Bolter mkIII burning of prospero
Chainsword mkIII burning of prospero
They are Imperial Guard Infantry Squad Sergeants with chainsword, replace laspistol with bolter for 1 point
Cheers. They look very cool
2018/04/11 07:43:31
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Note, picture is a bit deceptive, the phase carbines do not come with the very large night vision scope seen on the example model they use. That is a separate bit.
Are the shoulder guards separate?
While we're talking about guns, has anyone figured out what to do with the spare weapons in the Skitarii kits? You know, the ones without any hands holding them?
2018/04/11 08:37:33
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Some cool conversions on that knight! I like the stripe on the shoulder pad as well. What colour did you use for the white? I hate painting white on large surfaces and you seem to have nailed it..
2018/04/11 11:44:27
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
Some cool conversions on that knight! I like the stripe on the shoulder pad as well. What colour did you use for the white? I hate painting white on large surfaces and you seem to have nailed it..
The real trick to white on vehicles (and anything at all really) is an airbrush.
gendoikari87 wrote: No the real secret to white is off white with true white highlights and proper shading
Automatically Appended Next Post: Weathering done right is also an option
That is color/style choice, not technique. Big difference. For technique, application via airbrush is the superior method for achieving white, no matter your style.
Style-wise, "off-white" is not really the key in my book. Base color choice for either a warm pallet or cool pallet factor more. Building up from brown vs grey makes a huge impact.
Example, because why not:
Cool pallet white (grey base)
Warm pallet white (brown base)
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The real trick to white on vehicles (and anything at all really) is an airbrush.
I suspected as much, since I don't own an airbrush I've just sort of avoided white on anything other than small details, I had however planned to buy and paint the Castellan with at least some white armour plates so I'll just have to try. I can always strip it if it doesn't work out I guess.
2018/04/11 14:13:19
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
The real trick to white on vehicles (and anything at all really) is an airbrush.
I suspected as much, since I don't own an airbrush I've just sort of avoided white on anything other than small details, I had however planned to buy and paint the Castellan with at least some white armour plates so I'll just have to try. I can always strip it if it doesn't work out I guess.
I would say grab an affordable airbrush, honestly. Even a cheap junk Neo is preferable than the hassle of hand painting white.
I would say grab an affordable airbrush, honestly. Even a cheap junk Neo is preferable than the hassle of hand painting white.
But wouldn't you get the same weakness as a spray when it comes to using it in cold weather? Since I'm living pretty far north and have no good place to use it indoors it feels like it'd give me limited flexibility. I suppose I could look around though
2018/04/11 15:42:40
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
I would say grab an affordable airbrush, honestly. Even a cheap junk Neo is preferable than the hassle of hand painting white.
But wouldn't you get the same weakness as a spray when it comes to using it in cold weather? Since I'm living pretty far north and have no good place to use it indoors it feels like it'd give me limited flexibility. I suppose I could look around though
You will want to do it inside. They are small enough set-ups that you can put them on a card table or something if you don't have a studio space.
This does have the bonus of letting you prime all year round too though.
The real trick to white on vehicles (and anything at all really) is an airbrush.
I suspected as much, since I don't own an airbrush I've just sort of avoided white on anything other than small details, I had however planned to buy and paint the Castellan with at least some white armour plates so I'll just have to try. I can always strip it if it doesn't work out I guess.
Psa: folks get an airbrush, they’re under 100 bucks if you look hard enough for the whole kit. They make everything 10x easier and look 10x better and your already spending a good 300-400 on an army minimum.
No excuses just doit
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I live in Ohio and airbrush indoors. It’s not a problem with acrylic paints
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I might have to look into some setup that allows me to spray inside.. I've gotten pretty good at getting a nice finish with a big enough brush even on larger surfaces (though probably wouldn't work with white) but I'd be nice to not have that hassle I guess. Any specific airbrushes that any of you would recommend, that are sort of mid-tier? (ie not total cheapo 50/50 risk they fall apart every time you use them but also not something pro's use)
Also, gendo, I live a fair bit north of Ohio latitude-wise haha
2018/04/11 18:36:46
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
PiñaColada wrote: I might have to look into some setup that allows me to spray inside.. I've gotten pretty good at getting a nice finish with a big enough brush even on larger surfaces (though probably wouldn't work with white) but I'd be nice to not have that hassle I guess. Any specific airbrushes that any of you would recommend, that are sort of mid-tier? (ie not total cheapo 50/50 risk they fall apart every time you use them but also not something pro's use)
Also, gendo, I live a fair bit north of Ohio latitude-wise haha
I have no idea what you have access to in your part of the world, but TCP Global may accommodate. My first rig was an Iwata HP-CS and a Ninja Compressor. Small, affordable and durable. The compressor was used on the Predator I posted, so while it isn't precise as I prefer nowadays, it does well enough. It is also pretty quiet, which is nice.
For an indoor set-up, just make a spray booth. Get a decently durable cardboard box, cut a vent in the top and stick maybe a computer fan or something like it and put some cheap ducting around it and have it go out a nearby window. Barring that set-up, you can just set up a box to spray in and just wear a respirator mask - you should in theory always wear one... but my plastic-coated rainbow-colored lungs will attest it is easy to forget.
Also, watch videos on airbrushing before you start. Learning how to assemble/disassemble, clean and maintain a rig is vital to its performance. But once you get one and get those sweet, sweet transitions, you will never look back.
I have no idea what you have access to in your part of the world, but TCP Global may accommodate. My first rig was an Iwata HP-CS and a Ninja Compressor. Small, affordable and durable. The compressor was used on the Predator I posted, so while it isn't precise as I prefer nowadays, it does well enough. It is also pretty quiet, which is nice.
For an indoor set-up, just make a spray booth. Get a decently durable cardboard box, cut a vent in the top and stick maybe a computer fan or something like it and put some cheap ducting around it and have it go out a nearby window. Barring that set-up, you can just set up a box to spray in and just wear a respirator mask - you should in theory always wear one... but my plastic-coated rainbow-colored lungs will attest it is easy to forget.
Also, watch videos on airbrushing before you start. Learning how to assemble/disassemble, clean and maintain a rig is vital to its performance. But once you get one and get those sweet, sweet transitions, you will never look back.
Cool, thanks! I'll have to look into this I feel like but I've always been jealous of those sweet transitions you speak of. Regarding availability I doubt it'd be an issue since I'd probably order it from the UK
2018/04/11 18:46:43
Subject: Re:Tactica Mechanicus - Chapter Approved upon us
I have no idea what you have access to in your part of the world, but TCP Global may accommodate. My first rig was an Iwata HP-CS and a Ninja Compressor. Small, affordable and durable. The compressor was used on the Predator I posted, so while it isn't precise as I prefer nowadays, it does well enough. It is also pretty quiet, which is nice.
For an indoor set-up, just make a spray booth. Get a decently durable cardboard box, cut a vent in the top and stick maybe a computer fan or something like it and put some cheap ducting around it and have it go out a nearby window. Barring that set-up, you can just set up a box to spray in and just wear a respirator mask - you should in theory always wear one... but my plastic-coated rainbow-colored lungs will attest it is easy to forget.
Also, watch videos on airbrushing before you start. Learning how to assemble/disassemble, clean and maintain a rig is vital to its performance. But once you get one and get those sweet, sweet transitions, you will never look back.
Cool, thanks! I'll have to look into this I feel like but I've always been jealous of those sweet transitions you speak of. Regarding availability I doubt it'd be an issue since I'd probably order it from the UK
Good luck. Let me know if it works out for you. If you have questions, you can always pick my brain.
19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
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