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2017/10/02 19:48:56
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
ya ya and the revolutionary war was brits against brits and the brits won.
no wonder America is such a confusing place.
No, no. See, this is still the easy part: It only counts if we win up until Vietnam. That was when it got all confusing, and in another hundred years or so, we'll have figured out why that one doesn't count, and it'll go into the easy list. We've got our top researchers on it, actively working on how we can not count it. It's only a matter of time.
d-usa wrote: Yeah, the wackjobs will always be there.
And yes, any reduction in legal gun ownership will not have an initial impact on illegal guns. It will result in a reduction down the line, as guns used in crimes are taken out of circulation, and the lack of available guns in circulation to replenish the illegal stock makes an impact.
Which also make me wonder, are there any studies to see if the large presence of legal firearms and the very real threat of a good guy shooting you actually makes an impact on our crime rates (such as burglary, robbery, assault, rape) compared to nations with tighter gun control>
There are studies that show this (Lott, although anti-gun people have criticized his methods; and others). The burglary, robbery, rape and assault rates are also much lower (as much as several times) in the U.S. than they are in many other Western nations that have restrictive gun laws, including the UK and several large EU nations. Studies that have been conducted vary pretty wildly in the numbers they produce, as there are many, many variables that can change the outcome. However, almost all research conducted shows that defensive gun uses outnumber violent gun crimes from anywhere by 2 to 1 to an order of magnitude, and that legal gun ownership at the very least does not increase violent crime rates. I encourage anyone who is interested to look at several studies conducted by different organizations and draw their own conclusions. A good starting point might be the CDC study which former President Obama ordered to be conducted near the end of his administration. The administration didn't publicize the results because they failed to draw any significant links between gun ownership and violent crime.
That being said, the availability of guns in any form obviously increases the potential for what violent crime does occur to be more lethal. Although not as much as you might think - only 1/8 people shot with a handgun are killed, and even in the case of this incident that number is something like 1/9. I am not sure which weapon(s) the shooter used, but there is no question they were either fully automatic or modified. The reports I can hear in audio from the event sound like automatic gun fire to me, echoing off the surrounding surfaces. If he fired at the rate heard in the audio for 10-15 minutes, he very easily could have expended thousands of rounds, which all would have been loaded into magazines beforehand or even belt fed.
If he was using a fully automatic weapon, I believe it would be the fourth time a murder has been perpetrated with one in 70-80 years.
Rifles of any type are used in fewer murders than fists and feet.
2017/10/02 19:55:37
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
I'm sure that's a great comfort to the families and friends of the 22 every day, that do.
That number isn't accurate. It's actually only about a third of that and the majority of veterans committing suicide are elderly.
Media Misleads on Military Veterans Suicide Study
Vet Suicides Have Dropped While Civilian Suicides Have Increased
The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) recently released a report titled Suicide Data Report 2012. The study's authors, Janet Kemp, RN Ph.D. and Robert Bossarte, Ph.D., used data from the VA and some 21 states to examine the issue of suicide and the military veteran. The report looked at both completed suicides and suicide attempts and the authors include many cautions about the interpretation of their data.
Suicide Data Report 2012
Study Limits
The study used data from 21 states for the 13 years from 1999 through 2011. Those states hold an estimated 40.6 percent of the U.S. population in 2012. The two states with the largest population, California and Texas, were not included in the study. In those 21 states, 23 percent of all suicides were excluded because the state's death record contained no information on the veteran's status of the deceased. The study examined 77 percent of the recorded suicides in 40.6 percent of the population.
Media Coverage
Reuters reports "The most extensive study yet by the U.S. government on suicide among military veterans shows more veterans are killing themselves than previously thought, with 22 deaths a day -- or one every 65 minutes, on average." CBS Washington states, "The results of a new study indicate that suicide rates among veterans in the United States are increasing." USA Today has this in its lede: "An estimated 22 veterans commit suicide in the United States every day."
22 Suicides per Day?
The researchers found a total of 147,763 suicides in 21 states over the 13 years examined. Veterans were identified in 22 percent of those deaths. The study says "Estimates that the number of suicides among Veterans each day has increased, are based on information provided by 21 states and may not be generalizable to the larger Veteran population. ... estimates of the number of Veterans who have died from suicide each day based on proxy report of history of U.S. military service should be interpreted with caution." The study suggests that 22 veterans commit suicide on average each day while the data above suggests an average of 2,500 suicides by veterans per year or under seven per day in the 21 states studied. The study states that there is a significant state error rate in reporting veterans status. It also reveals a wide variation in veteran suicide rates among the 21 states, ranging from 7 to 27 percent.
Other Study Findings
The study finds that the greatest number of suicides among veterans in the data they studied were in white males over age 50. The study made no attempt to determine if those veterans were retirees with 20-30 years of service, or had served the minimum time (three to five years), nor did the study examine the type of discharge (honorable, dishonorable, etc.) the deceased veterans had received. The authors also found that while suicide rates among the general population have been increasing, those among veterans in the states studied have remained constant, with the estimated daily number of suicides decreasing slightly.
Vaktathi wrote: Really a horrific event, not sure what would possess someone to do sometbing like this, especially with that kind of hardware, and I expect this will...drive changes, particularly due to the big dollar/high profile location.
From the audio, it sure sounded like a legit full auto weapon, none of the irregular cadence of a bump fire stock or binary trigger. It will be interesting to see what ultimately turns up in that regard.
If you load the clip into Audacity, you'll see that the ROF ramps up and down. I'm going with Gat Crank or bumpfire stock.
Also (not a reply to you, but rather to the thread in general): a suppressor would not have changed the acoustic signature of that weapon meaningfully. The sound you're hearing in most of the videos is ballistic crack of the rounds, not the muzzle blast of the weapon.
It's possible - BUT - I think any sort of cranking up you a hearing is simply the effect hearing the echo over the continuous fire.
I'm not referring to a crank. I'm referring to the ROF changing over time. The rate of fire changes from faster to slower to faster etc. Sorry for the confusion.
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2017/10/02 20:09:57
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
It's possible - BUT - I think any sort of cranking up you a hearing is simply the effect hearing the echo over the continuous fire.
I'm not referring to a crank. I'm referring to the ROF changing over time. The rate of fire changes.
I believe that's what he's talking about as well - and I agree. To me, the rate of fire sounds constant, accompanied by echoes off of the surrounding buildings.
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2017/10/02 20:12:00
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
The full 2nd amendment means what it means... not what you'd like it to be.
Militia is not the national guard... the militia are regular armed citizens.
To be fair, 5 people decided that the term militia means "everybody". And in the future 5 people can just as easily decide that "militia" means national guard.
Constitutional issues only mean what constitutional judges think they mean, and they can change their mind at any point if they so decide.
True... which is unfortunate because the current precedent is how it worked when the constitution was drafted.
Changing the application of the law to be something contrary to it's original interpretation is fraught with perils and something the judiciary ought to avoid... but, that's for a different thread.
It was written 200+ years ago. There were people still considered to be property at that time. We made changes to prevent that from happening. Why is it so hard to make other changes?
So? Doesn't make it less valid.
We have mechanisms to change the laws... it just never reached the necessary threshold. Which is a good thing because changes like this ought to be hard.
No, progress should not be hard at this point. We should all realize that there is one thing that is causing these situations to happen. But instead we continue to put our fingers in our ears and pretend it isn't happening. When it happens every single year, multiple times, costing the lives of innocent people. Often times children. But it should be hard to prevent those deaths?
It's extremely hard to prevent any kind of death. No laws can over ride peoples' free will and capability to commit actions that can take their life and the lives of others. It's difficult to stop kids from drowning in swimming pools or to eliminate drunk driving deaths. There is a mechanism in place to make the kind of changes you're advocating and to date there hasn't been enough support to follow through on that process and enact those changes. Currently not enough people in the US share your opinions on the matter and as long as that remains so the changes you wish to see won't happen. It is extremely unlikely that such changes will happen in your lifetime and it is extremely unlikely that tragedies involving guns will stop happening in your lifetime.
But yet there are laws requiring life guards to be on duty at public swimming pools. There are laws that heavily punish drunk drivers and seek to find them by traffic stops on busy roadways. Laws that require bartenders to cut off patrons and supply them with coffee and food if they need it. Laws that require cabs to be called if a driver is too far gone.
It is sad that is your argument. Gun tragedies will not happen because not enough people in Congress share my opinion. It isn't about what the public thinks, it is about what their representatives think. Representatives who really do a piss poor job of following the opinions of their people.
Just remember, Trump lost the Popular vote and he is now representing the US, while the majority of people disagree with him. But yet he won. That alone shows your argument holds no water.
Murdering people with a firearm is already illegal. There is a whole host of laws governing the responsible use of firearms. What law do you think we could pass that would actually prohibit people from murdering people with firearms? There are limits as to the power of Congress and there are already numerous federal and state laws that protect private gun ownership.
People seem to want less gun control laws not more as over the past few decades more states have made it easier to own and carry firearms not more difficult and federal courts have upheld those laws along with the federally guaranteed right to gun ownership. The groundswell of public opinion against gun ownership that you seem to think exists has yet to manifest itself on a widespread local, state or national level in the US. Every metric shows an increase in guns purchased and permits issued.
"Representatives act in their own interests, not those they represent."
"Oh yeah, well here is proof I am right. Even though it proves your point."
Really now. How many people are actually buying guns? Just because more guns are sold or more permits issued does not mean more people are buying them. Gun owners typically buy more guns. They also want permits to do more stuff with them, like CC. Sooooooo, where is that metric? Are more people buying more guns or is it just more guns are being sold?
2017/10/02 20:14:07
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
1. ISIS has issued back-to-back claims on their Amaq News Agency claiming responsibility for the heinous violence in Las Vegas:
12:33 PM - Oct 2, 2017
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
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2. The language they use suggests they see shooter as inspired by their ideology (he "responded to calls") as opposed to directed by them
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3. But given what we know already about the shooter, I'm wondering if this is 1 of their major misses
12:35 PM - Oct 2, 2017
18 18 Replies 154 154 Retweets 242 242 likes
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4. Shooter has been identified as a man who is in his 60s. That's not the demographic that tends to fall under ISIS' sway. pic.twitter.com/BXaxLlPype
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5. People who have watched my timeline know that I have long argued against the "ISIS claims everything trope." It's simply not true
12:41 PM - Oct 2, 2017
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6. For ex, just this weekend a man placed an ISIS flag on his dashboard & used the car to ram into police in Canada. ISIS has *not* claimed pic.twitter.com/lY2lwmSHe4
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7. But it's also the case that ISIS has had two major mistakes in recent months. This summer, they claimed an attack on a resort in Manila
12:46 PM - Oct 2, 2017
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8. And weeks ago, they claimed they'd placed a bomb at CDG airport. Both claims appear to have been spurious.
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9. As @AmarAmarasingam recently pointed out, perhaps they are getting sloppier as a result of the heavy losses they are facing.
12:47 PM - Oct 2, 2017
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9. As @AmarAmarasingam recently pointed out, perhaps they are getting sloppier as a result of the heavy losses they are facing.
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10. To know whether this was ISIS-inspired, I'm waiting to hear what police find on the shooter's phone. Was he on ISIS Telegram channels? pic.twitter.com/pcqIVNJAio
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11. There are 100s of ISIS-linked Telegram channels. Anyone imbibing their ideology typically has dozens of them on their phone. An ex: pic.twitter.com/PADO5BbfY9
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12. ISIS is tripling down on its claim. The group has issued a communique where they identify shooter with nom de guerre Abu Abd El Bar pic.twitter.com/o4aYQjBWzI
One major thing that making me doubious of their claim is that he shot himself before getting arrested... that is SOP for isis-inspired attackers.... right?
Regardless, nothing is SOP with this event.
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2017/10/02 20:14:17
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
It's possible - BUT - I think any sort of cranking up you a hearing is simply the effect hearing the echo over the continuous fire.
I'm not referring to a crank. I'm referring to the ROF changing over time. The rate of fire changes.
I believe that's what he's talking about as well - and I agree. To me, the rate of fire sounds constant, accompanied by echoes off of the surrounding buildings.
Load the clip into an acoustics analysis program and check it out. Reverberation has a long tail, whereas ballistic cracks are only a couple of ms vs. the longer tailed blast and reverb.
"Representatives act in their own interests, not those they represent."
"Oh yeah, well here is proof I am right. Even though it proves your point."
Really now. How many people are actually buying guns? Just because more guns are sold or more permits issued does not mean more people are buying them. Gun owners typically buy more guns. They also want permits to do more stuff with them, like CC. Sooooooo, where is that metric? Are more people buying more guns or is it just more guns are being sold?
Gun ownership, particularly among women and minorities, is rising sharply even as violent crime and murder rates plummet.
Do you want another US civil war with spillover into Canada? Because thats how you get a second civil war.
obeying the law causes a civil war? interesting.
keep it on your side of the fence though, don't make us burn down your white house again.
That was the British. Your epic moose and maple syrups have no power here... *
*Just trying to keep the thread from not getting hot.
To be fair, there were some Canadians (Shawnee indians) in the Seige of Detroit. After they took over they looked around, realized it was Detroit, and went home.
2017/10/02 20:39:49
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
1. ISIS has issued back-to-back claims on their Amaq News Agency claiming responsibility for the heinous violence in Las Vegas:
12:33 PM - Oct 2, 2017
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi
2. The language they use suggests they see shooter as inspired by their ideology (he "responded to calls") as opposed to directed by them
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
3. But given what we know already about the shooter, I'm wondering if this is 1 of their major misses
12:35 PM - Oct 2, 2017
18 18 Replies 154 154 Retweets 242 242 likes
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi
4. Shooter has been identified as a man who is in his 60s. That's not the demographic that tends to fall under ISIS' sway. pic.twitter.com/BXaxLlPype
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
5. People who have watched my timeline know that I have long argued against the "ISIS claims everything trope." It's simply not true
12:41 PM - Oct 2, 2017
11 11 Replies 177 177 Retweets 377 377 likes
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi
6. For ex, just this weekend a man placed an ISIS flag on his dashboard & used the car to ram into police in Canada. ISIS has *not* claimed pic.twitter.com/lY2lwmSHe4
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
7. But it's also the case that ISIS has had two major mistakes in recent months. This summer, they claimed an attack on a resort in Manila
12:46 PM - Oct 2, 2017
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi
8. And weeks ago, they claimed they'd placed a bomb at CDG airport. Both claims appear to have been spurious.
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
9. As @AmarAmarasingam recently pointed out, perhaps they are getting sloppier as a result of the heavy losses they are facing.
12:47 PM - Oct 2, 2017
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi
9. As @AmarAmarasingam recently pointed out, perhaps they are getting sloppier as a result of the heavy losses they are facing.
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
10. To know whether this was ISIS-inspired, I'm waiting to hear what police find on the shooter's phone. Was he on ISIS Telegram channels? pic.twitter.com/pcqIVNJAio
Rukmini Callimachi ✔ @rcallimachi
Replying to @rcallimachi @AmarAmarasingam
11. There are 100s of ISIS-linked Telegram channels. Anyone imbibing their ideology typically has dozens of them on their phone. An ex: pic.twitter.com/PADO5BbfY9
Follow
Rukmini Callimachi ✔@rcallimachi
12. ISIS is tripling down on its claim. The group has issued a communique where they identify shooter with nom de guerre Abu Abd El Bar pic.twitter.com/o4aYQjBWzI
One major thing that making me doubious of their claim is that he shot himself before getting arrested... that is SOP for isis-inspired attackers.... right?
Regardless, nothing is SOP with this event.
Listen, I ate some jalepenos the other night. The next morning, they gave me a strong burning sensation on the way out. ISIS had already claimed responsibility before I could flush it. That is how desperate they are for attention.
2017/10/02 20:53:00
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'
CBS has parted ways with one of the company’s top lawyers after she said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.
“This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS. Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families,” a CBS spokeswoman told Fox News.
Hayley Geftman-Gold, the network's now-former vice president and senior counsel, took to Facebook after a gunman opened fire at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, killing at least 58 people and sending more than 500 others to hospitals.
“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs [sic] will ever do the right thing,” Geftman-Gold wrote in a now-deleted message that was first reported and captured by The Daily Caller.
Geftman-Gold continued: “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc [sic] country music fans often are Republican gun toters [sic].”
Geftman-Gold is presumably referring to Sandy Hook, which occurred in Newtown, Conn. back in 2012. A 20-year-old gunman, Adam Lanza, killed 20 children and six adults during the tragic event that sparked intense political debates regarding gun control.
Geftman-Gold did not work directly with the network’s news division. According to her LinkedIn bio, Geftman-Gold worked at CBS since September 2016 and graduated from the prestigious Columbia University law school in 2000.
Anyone know if ISIS has claimed credit for this yet?
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2017/10/02 20:55:26
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Oh look, a lefty making sweeping generalizations saying the victims got what was coming to them, and trying to sound morally superior while doing so. Colour me unsurprised.
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2017/10/02 21:16:31
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
sirlynchmob wrote: she ain't wrong, and it's no worse than then trump & friends trying to paint the guy as a leftist or an antifa member
Which still means she's a gakhole.
not really, she's just an American, and as we've seen from others in this thread, compassion for victims is rarely a concern.
like this one.
We might be sad that this happen, but we have long ago decided that it's an acceptable consequence of our rights and freedoms. And truthfully, statistically speaking, events like this are a meaningless risk in the grand scheme of things.
Sure 58 people died and hundred were wounded, totally meaningless, it could have been worse.
2017/10/02 21:18:44
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Nostromodamus wrote: Oh look, a lefty making sweeping generalizations saying the victims got what was coming to them, and trying to sound morally superior while doing so. Colour me unsurprised.
...he said, while making sweeping generalizations of the left.
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2017/10/02 21:18:47
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
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2017/10/02 21:19:40
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
sirlynchmob wrote: she ain't wrong, and it's no worse than then trump & friends trying to paint the guy as a leftist or an antifa member
Which still means she's a gakhole.
not really, she's just an American, and as we've seen from others in this thread, compassion for victims is rarely a concern.
like this one.
We might be sad that this happen, but we have long ago decided that it's an acceptable consequence of our rights and freedoms. And truthfully, statistically speaking, events like this are a meaningless risk in the grand scheme of things.
Sure 58 people died and hundred were wounded, totally meaningless, it could have been worse.
I've heard identical sentiments expressed about Islamic terrorism by Lefties on Dakka Dakka...
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2017/10/02 21:29:06
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
sirlynchmob wrote: she ain't wrong, and it's no worse than then trump & friends trying to paint the guy as a leftist or an antifa member
Which still means she's a gakhole.
not really, she's just an American, and as we've seen from others in this thread, compassion for victims is rarely a concern.
like this one.
We might be sad that this happen, but we have long ago decided that it's an acceptable consequence of our rights and freedoms. And truthfully, statistically speaking, events like this are a meaningless risk in the grand scheme of things.
Sure 58 people died and hundred were wounded, totally meaningless, it could have been worse.
This is how you have a Civil War. When fellow citizens care more about their political identity of the victims/non-victims than the fact they are fellow citizens.
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2017/10/02 21:42:09
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
It’s possible to both have compassion for victims, and realizing that 58 deaths don’t have any impact on fatality rates in this country.
58 deaths don’t even have a statistical impact on the ~45,000 gun deaths annually. It has an impact of less than 1% on the gun homicide rate.
And “how big of a threat is it” is an important factor when deciding if you should do something about it. That’s simply the truth. Even when it comes to events that are horrific to look at like this.
2017/10/02 21:51:37
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
You must only do one thing today. Mourn, you can have no other feelings. Do not even think about discussing the issues which may have caused this or any solutions to save future lives from such a tragedy. One train of thought today.
If this is going to be a "thoughts and prayers" thread with no meaningful discussion about solutions or ways to prevent shootings like this, then I agree. Shut it down, it serves no purpose.
2017/10/02 21:58:14
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Thoughts and prayers are just lip service. You can feel bad but at the end of the day that does nothing for anyone except yourself. You tell yourself that feeling sad is sufficient penance for doing nothing to stop this kind of tragedy and move on. We as a country have the power to stop this, but simply elect to let it happen, again and again.
If you insist on allowing this to happen, at least do something physical for the families. Donate money to the families that have children who lost a parent.
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