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The key point in your post is that "most fans would..."

A lot of people who went to see Star Wars, like me and my family, aren't fans in that sense.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think Star Wars is "dumb schlock". I think it's a space fantasy action epic.

It's not a detective film or a documentary, so it presents a different kind of content and plot.

Star Wars draws on common legendary archetypes such as the princess needing help, the farmboy become hero, the evil magician, etc.
Also, by the 9th film in the series, it has generated its own set of tropes and themes, for example that the hero will be strong in the Force, and the Force will enable the hero to be effective, but the hero will be opposed by someone strong in the dark side of the Force.

From this angle it's clear that Snoke is an evil magician/king character. To me it simply is unnecessary to document his back story. To do so would slow down the exciting progression of space fights and spectacular alien worlds, which is the true strength of Star Wars films.

OTOH it is necessary to explain Ren and Luke's back story, to show why Luke has become a disillusioned old man hiding on a remote island when people may have expected him to burst out as a hero to save the rebellion.

I don't think most people want the full back story of snoke, just a bit in the opening scrawl about how the empire formed into the first order after the death of the emperor and some "inquisitor"? took up the reigns to hold it together would have been nice. at some point they should have at least reference what happened between 6 & 7 to catch everyone up on what is happening in the universe.

JJ likes his mysteries, and he created a bunch of them for TFA. Clearly Johnson didn't want to make his movie about solving JJ's mysteries, and who would?

This is what you get with different directors left alone to create the films they want to create. Some folks don't like that, others don't mind it or even prefer seeing different visions. There aren't any real rules to this stuff.

That's certainly true, but it is also certainly a valid criticism of TLJ.

It doesn't excuse Johnson for failing to follow through on the questions of the first movie.

Yes, he's clearly free to do as he sess fit (obviously), but then he should be ready for the criticism that follows that choice.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I am not sure if you have had time to read all the posts but many of us are statying the definative reasons we did not like enjoy the film - these include but are not limited to:

Poor Pacing
Poor Characterisation
Poor narrative structure
Internal narrative issues
Focuss on peripheral or unimportant elements rather than developing charters and / or story line

Those are incredibly vague criteria, and seem a lot like cover stories for the real reasons why people didn't like it.

Why'd Disney greenlight JJ mysteries, then greenlight Rian Johnson dismissing those mysteries, the rehire JJ? (non-rhetorical question)

 Alpharius wrote:
That's certainly true, but it is also certainly a valid criticism of TLJ.

It doesn't excuse Johnson for failing to follow through on the questions of the first movie.

Yes, he's clearly free to do as he sess fit (obviously), but then he should be ready for the criticism that follows that choice.

Is it a valid criticism, though? People are free to like or dislike artistic works, but making art isn't about serving up what the audience wants or thinks it needs.

It should probably be said that I had the benefit of Twin Peaks Training(TM) in 2017, which forced me to do some fairly serious thinking about how I experience art and entertainment. TP received glowing reviews from critics, but was similarly divisive among fans because it (much more than, TLJ) made a specific point of not delivering what fans wanted or expected...to the point of virtually rubbing your nose in it. I came around to understand the lesson that Lynch was teaching about the unimportance of my personal demands.

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I am not sure if you have had time to read all the posts but many of us are statying the definative reasons we did not like enjoy the film - these include but are not limited to:

Poor Pacing
Poor Characterisation
Poor narrative structure
Internal narrative issues
Focuss on peripheral or unimportant elements rather than developing charters and / or story line

Those are incredibly vague criteria, and seem a lot like cover stories for the real reasons why people didn't like it.

Out of curiosity, what are the "real reasons"?

Disney didn't commission a work of art. It commissioned a product meantbto appeal to as many people as possible. Now, it could have still appealed to a huge number of people had it been competent. But the bigger issue here is, it will still appeal to a huge number of people despite being largely incompetent.

That's what makes SW worth $4.5 billion to Disney. Lucas demonstrated you could trot out utter gak and make tons of money as long as the turds were SW brand turds.

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I am not sure if you have had time to read all the posts but many of us are statying the definative reasons we did not like enjoy the film - these include but are not limited to:

Poor Pacing
Poor Characterisation
Poor narrative structure
Internal narrative issues
Focuss on peripheral or unimportant elements rather than developing charters and / or story line

Those are incredibly vague criteria, and seem a lot like cover stories for the real reasons why people didn't like it.

Please tell me the real reason I didn't like it? I am intrigued as I was both bored and exasperated from about half an hour in and the other 11 people of varied age and gender I have chatted to face to face about it said the same.

As I said these are categories that many of us highlighted as being issues with the film that are completed unrelated to the either the "gender problem" myth or the "superfan" myth that is being propagated.

1. Characters:
Phasma has none.
Finn is just a poorly executed comedy relief and has if anything become less of an interesting character than in the previous film where he was already nothing more than a sketch.
None of the command crew save for Leia and Poe have any real attempt at making them characters and certainly don't make you care one way or another if they die - because you know nothing about them.

2. Pacing
The chase being so very very slow and uneventful means no tension is generated, especially when they are trapped except two people can pop off for an adventure on Casino World - which itself disrupts the (lack of) pace and serves no purpose except possibly to give a new theme to related resorts etc. Then things which might have injected some much needed excitement - say the escape from the dying super giant Snoke-ship are excluded in favour of very silly and often tedious sequences.

3. Narrative structure / Internal narrative
All over the place - see Casino World, apparently the rebels are doomed to slowly, ever so slowly be chased down by the Imperial ships but also hey its dull on the cruiser lets go to Casino World and have an adventure.
Fighters kill big ships (or both sides) - as repeatedly shown on screen - so nah lets not launch any and just amble along
The only people outside the ship of fools that seem to be opposed to the First Order in the entire galaxy are three slave kids - who of course the super goody rebels ignore in favour of letting some giant horse (toys) things run about a bit.
Self sacrifice is bad, well its good, no its bad, we are not sure but we should in by love or something
The commander of the ship of fools is there to distract the Imperials who for some magic reason can't see the transports - so does she jump away to distract them taking the threat away - nope, just keeps ambling forward until she comes up with a plan which leads to:
The Imperial fleet is a super powerful unstoppable force - well not if you just ram 'em. Lets do that then

The film has occasional moments of interest, but they are stretch between some many poorly executed elements its hard to care.

The initial scene is quite fun - its silly but its a good bit of action,
The Ren and Ben stuff was good - Liked to have seen more or even not be totally predictable
The throne room was fun but would have liked to have seen more of the Snoke guy
Ben shooting Luke with the entire Imperial army was great - its what I would have done Then Luke faking him - all good

Star Wars are just fun action flicks - nothing more - this mostly took the fun out it and filled it with empty meaningless scenes and uninterestingly characters between a few set piece action shots.

Except for the budget and actually fairly average CGI it deserved to be on a late night sci-fi channel release and even then it was nothing special.

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I am not sure if you have had time to read all the posts but many of us are statying the definative reasons we did not like enjoy the film - these include but are not limited to:

Poor Pacing
Poor Characterisation
Poor narrative structure
Internal narrative issues
Focuss on peripheral or unimportant elements rather than developing charters and / or story line

Those are incredibly vague criteria, and seem a lot like cover stories for the real reasons why people didn't like it.

Poor Pacing: There is intense action early in the movie, with the attack on the Dreadnaught, and the subsequent attack by Kylo. Good, interesting stuff. However, it is almost two hours until we get another action sequence with any real stakes. We then get, in quick succession, the Throne Room fight, the battle in the hanger bay, the hyperspace shotgun, the speeder attack on the battering ram cannon, Rey flying around shooting stuff, and a climactic lightsaber dual between Kylo and Luke. So, the first fifteen minutes are well-paced action, but then there are two hours where very little o interest happens, followed by a half hour where we get not chance to stop to catch our breath from any of the action setpieces.

Poor Characterization: The only backstory we get is one massive out of character moment for Luke, when he walks into Kylo's room contemplating murder. Sure, people change. But this is radically different than the character was last seen (trying to get Darth freaking Vader to join the good guys). The movie offers us no reason to believe that this change would happen, and Mark Hamill himself disagreed with Lukes portrayal. Rather than feeling like part of Lukes character, it feels like something added to artificially manufacture conflict.

Also, can anyone name any sort of character arc that is experienced? Rey goes looking for Luke to teach her to be a Jedi, then decides "Screw it, I'm doing it myself". She still wants to be a Jedi, she still wants to fight/bone Kylo Ren. Poe leads an early attack against the Dreadnaught, makes a decision that would be bad for the resistance if not for unknown factors (Loses bombers, but prevents the Dreadnaught from joining the ship chase). In the end, he leads a suicidal attack, and makes a decision that would be bad for the resistance if not for unknown factors (Door gets kicked in, but there is a back door and Luke turns up). Finn is only fighting the first order because he wants to get laid, same as ever.

I'll get the rest (as well as violation of "Show, don't tell") latter. Got stuff to do.

 Manchu wrote:
Why'd Disney greenlight JJ mysteries, then greenlight Rian Johnson dismissing those mysteries, the rehire JJ? (non-rhetorical question)

Apparently not because they were unhappy with Johnson or TLJ, given that they made no move against him like they did with Edwards, Lord & Miller, and Trevorrow, and gave him his own trilogy.

They may want a more paint-by-numbers approach to the finale, but it's not like Abrams will able to easily reintroduce the mysteries from TFA. The possible exceptions here are Rey's parentage and an explanation of the dream scene with the Knights of Ren in the rain.

I'm not so sure, Gorgon. If Episode VIII can dismiss Episode VII then Episode IX can dismiss Episode VIII. Frex, Snoke claimed resposnibility for Ben and Rey's Force Skyping. So he just implanted the idea in their minds that Rey's parents were nobodies. Turns out they are really [insert explanation]! Or - ha, did you really think Snoke didn't guess Kylo would betray him??? That was always the plan muahahaha! Now face the next Snoke clone! I mean, once you establish in Part 2 that nothing set up in Part 1 really matters that much then why should I trust that anything that happens in Part 2 will actually matter to what can happen in Part 3.

Hope your expectations are well lubricated because Disney is gonna subvert 'em real hard.

Exactly!

And wasn't that the plot of "Dark Empire" - clone Emperors Akimbo?

Who knows what's next, if internal story logic previous movies are to be ignored?

 Manchu wrote:
Why'd Disney greenlight JJ mysteries, then greenlight Rian Johnson dismissing those mysteries, the rehire JJ? (non-rhetorical question)

Because they still have ep.IX. The story isn't over and Disney wants to build the suspense. Creating questions and then not answering them, while annoying and unfulfilling, does indeed build suspense and put butts in seats.
As long as IX gives us satisfying answers, we should be good.

-

 Galef wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Why'd Disney greenlight JJ mysteries, then greenlight Rian Johnson dismissing those mysteries, the rehire JJ? (non-rhetorical question)

Because they still have ep.IX. The story isn't over and Disney wants to build the suspense. Creating questions and then not answering them, while annoying and unfulfilling, does indeed build suspense and put butts in seats.
As long as IX gives us satisfying answers, we should be good.-

Nexy time I'll wait till it comes on Sky - will not be wasting time and money on a trip to the cinema on a sequel to this mess - hell even Geostorm was a better film than this and that was crap (our only two bad choices for cinema in 2017 were TLJ and Geostorm)

 gorgon wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
That's certainly true, but it is also certainly a valid criticism of TLJ.

It doesn't excuse Johnson for failing to follow through on the questions of the first movie.

Yes, he's clearly free to do as he sess fit (obviously), but then he should be ready for the criticism that follows that choice.

Is it a valid criticism, though? People are free to like or dislike artistic works, but making art isn't about serving up what the audience wants or thinks it needs.

It should probably be said that I had the benefit of Twin Peaks Training(TM) in 2017, which forced me to do some fairly serious thinking about how I experience art and entertainment. TP received glowing reviews from critics, but was similarly divisive among fans because it (much more than, TLJ) made a specific point of not delivering what fans wanted or expected...to the point of virtually rubbing your nose in it. I came around to understand the lesson that Lynch was teaching about the unimportance of my personal demands.

What are the real critiques of the PM though?

Jar-Jar is annoying?
Pod racing was too long?
Anakins acting was pretty bad (Jake Lloyd was 10 at the time....Not every child actor can be Natalie Portman in the professional)
Ewan Mcgregor accent dropped a few times...
Driod memory wipes...(better to have R2 in the film than not I'd say)
It doesn't feel like starwars...(what the?)
Some people were confused by the plot but the plot is actually explained very well - (nothing like a space chase that shouldn't even be happening because the FO can just jump ahead of them with half their fleet and crush them...or their superior fighter force not being used because...they are too far away from the star destroyers????

I for one love The Phantom Menace. I really have to question if you like starwars at all if you didn't like it.

@Alpharius: Yep, Dark Empire was all bout dem Palpaclones. Maybe Snoke's all fethed up looking because he's using up another clone body, That was the way it worked in Dark Empire.

@Galef: If questions are asked in Ep 7 and only answered in Ep 9 then doesn't that make Ep 8 useless? When you have a three movie saga, the second one traditionally extrapolates on the issues and conflicts introduced by the first film. But TLJ doesn't really serve that purpose. So if Episode IX ends up addressing the issues of TFA then TLJ is gonna feel even more bizarre and out of place.

 Manchu wrote:
@Alpharius: Yep, Dark Empire was all bout dem Palpaclones. Maybe Snoke's all fethed up looking because he's using up another clone body, That was the way it worked in Dark Empire.

@Galef: If questions are asked in Ep 7 and only answered in Ep 9 then doesn't that make Ep 8 useless? When you have a three movie saga, the second one traditionally extrapolates on the issues and conflicts introduced by the first film. But TLJ doesn't really serve that purpose. So if Episode IX ends up addressing the issues of TFA then TLJ is gonna feel even more bizarre and out of place.

I've seen people call TLJ bad TFA fan fiction at this point.. If it turns out that the events of 8 don't matter, then by that measure it'd certainly be true.

But they do matter. Snoke is dead, Kylo is Supreme leader and Luke is a Force ghost.
Just because events are "unsatisfying" does not mean they do not matter.

I am, of course, prepared to eat my words is IX is not good, but as it stands, TLJ was an enjoyable movie TO ME and a fine addition to the story.

-

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
@Alpharius: Yep, Dark Empire was all bout dem Palpaclones. Maybe Snoke's all fethed up looking because he's using up another clone body, That was the way it worked in Dark Empire.

@Galef: If questions are asked in Ep 7 and only answered in Ep 9 then doesn't that make Ep 8 useless? When you have a three movie saga, the second one traditionally extrapolates on the issues and conflicts introduced by the first film. But TLJ doesn't really serve that purpose. So if Episode IX ends up addressing the issues of TFA then TLJ is gonna feel even more bizarre and out of place.

I've seen people call TLJ bad TFA fan fiction at this point.. If it turns out that the events of 8 don't matter, then by that measure it'd certainly be true.

Very bad fan fiction.

 Manchu wrote:
@Alpharius: Yep, Dark Empire was all bout dem Palpaclones. Maybe Snoke's all fethed up looking because he's using up another clone body, That was the way it worked in Dark Empire..

Didn't Palapatine mock Leia by saying her kid was his new body?

I went in knowing nothing about the director and this movie. All I knew was what was presented to me in the Star Wars movies I have seen. When I left, I felt like who ever was in charge of this movie did not spend enough time researchign mythology and folklore to understand the heroes journey that is inherent in Star Wars.

However, now I see Gorgon (and others) referring to the director wishing to subvert expectations of a Star Wars film. Since Star Wars is inherently a Heroes Journey and the fundametnal Good vs. Evil story; to try and subvert those expectations is to make a "non-Star Wars" film.

I agree that this subverting expectations and avoid cliche is critical for the non-core Star Wars stories such as Rogue One. A film like that is basically making a different movie genre in the Star Wars universe, and is something that has been successful for Marvel. However, core Trilogy films should not be about subverting Star Wars tropes, but telling them in a new way. The same way Jason and the Argonauts tells a heroes journey in a way different from the Odyssey or King Arthur.

Aside from the technical aspects of story-telling, editing, script writing, etc. This to me is the heart of the flaw of the films. They were a long way to say that nothing matters. Hopefully, in context with the last film, it will all make sense once the trilogy is complete.

edit: I also do not think that the "truth" about Rey's parents has been fully revealed yet as it could change. However, the big reveal in Empire was true, but since this group is trying to subvert expectations, who knows.

So, I went into the movie having done nothing but see the other movies...

and my reaction is "holy hell what the feth is going on?!"

In Episode VI, we saw the Emperor die and the establishment (presumably) of a New Republic.

In Episode VII, we saw the nascent Republic's incompetence ("wow, planet-killing superlaser sales are up, peace sure is good for business isn't it guys") and/or cluelessness, but we also saw the First Order take a crippling blow.

At this point, I have made the following assumptions:

1) The New Republic is dumb as a bag of rocks, if a project larger and more obvious than the Death Star is completed without them having an inkling of an idea.

2) The First Order, being a small remnant of the Empire, dumped nearly all of its resources into completing Starkiller Base.

These seemed logical to me, 1) because the New Republic could be naive, and when they were told that planetkilling superlaser parts were in fact television bits or something, they believed them and 2) the BBEGs in Star Wars always have these weird complexes about building super-starships. It's nonsensical, but if these are all "Old Empire" type guys, its possible that their reaction to the Death Star's destruction was simply "not big enough".

So far, that's the thread I'm following.

Then, in TLJ, we meet the Resistance.

Resistance? To what, the Republic? Resistances usually exist to resist the existing power structure, which is surely the republic, yes? I mean, they lost their capitol and a chunk of their fleet, but if you nuked Pearl Harbor and Washington, D.C. on the same day, the U.S. wouldn't crumble.

Oh, they're resisting the First Order, okay. So the Republic's still around, presumably, given that nations don't instantly dissolve if the capitol is destroyed, and this is just like two terrorist groups fighting it out while the Republic re-sorts itself from the cataclysm. Neat.

Oh, wait, there's no republic? And where did the First Order get Dreadnoughts and other super-ships? Did the Old Empire just have them lying around, and the Republic just marked them as "missing" and never tracked them down, despite their obvious utility?

And why does the Resistance call its supporters and no one answers? Did the weird "First Order" terrorist group some how make every other system fall through fear like the Empire tried and only after losing their super base?

What is going on? Why are these two minor terrorist groups fighting, and why does one act like they're in charge? What happened to the rest of the republic? Does this galaxy really only have like 10 planets? If the First Order has all this awesome stuff, presumably the Empire had it too. Or is the Republic giving them ships somehow?

And who are the arms dealers in the casino? Are intergalactic space battleships an unregulated market, or something? And if it is regulated, who the hell let an entire fleet of intergalactic space battleships be smuggled to Starkiller Base or wherever the FO HQ is, without also noticing that they were receiving a suspicious number of T.V. parts?

What the hell is going on? Where is the Republic? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

Jeebus. I saw the movie this weekend with a buddy. Up till now I'd avoided spoilers, commentary, and quite a bit of facebook for the last few weeks. I then jumped in here where I left off (during the trailer conversation) and read about 10 pages, jumped to the end to see the same conversations and points by the same people. Probably missed quite a few in the inbetween but I figured I'd just toss my thoughts out there;

I liked it. It expanded on the first movie, grew all the actual characters, and was fun. Not without fault but I enjoyed it.

Likes;
-Any scene with Rey and Kylo in it together. They were excellent and so were those scenes where we see people with two genuinely self beliefs trying to convince the other to join their side.
-Luke and then his send off. Very well done. I ascribe his flicker of doubt with his nephew and potential attempted murder to Snoke working on him gently for years for just that sort of payoff.
-Yoda trolling is always good
-Poe's method of buying time as a white flag while his boosters charged. The man knew his opponent and played him.
-I liked the subplot. It grew Poe and Finn nicely. Could have shaved 10-15 minutes off of it though.
-The way Ren took out Snoke was awesome. And pretty much his one and only chance to do so.

Didn't like;
-The hyperspace moncal missile. Pretty shot but it just didn't fit for anything. If they are in real space when in hyper then this would happen all the time on accident, if she set up to land in their formation then they could have made the same type of micro jump, etc. Overall almost as bad as missiles you can watch from a planet fly thru the galaxy to hit 7 other planets light years away. Not quite that bad but close.
-The Leia space scene. Just bleh. Also who in gods name has all their upper leadership on the bridge of a ship whose bridge has a window to space. I mean most of star wars but that always killed me in RotJ too.

Outside of those two annoyances I quite like the movie. I didn't need more info on Snoke as I didn't need more info on the original emperor. I think Rey's parents being nothings enhances her character. She doesn't have the weight of the skywalker/solo/kenobi name on her shoulders so we can finally get a non-whiney champion of the force. Maybe I don't look deep enough or maybe I watch so much sci-fi and fantasy that I just naturally fill in minor gaps assuming something is happening I can't see but I didn't have a problem with the information provided by the movie and felt it flushed things out quite nicely.

I really enjoyed watching both the dark and light champions stepping fully into their roles. Both chose their paths in the end (unlike previously) and while one could be said to be manipulated I think Ben would have gone Kylo no matter what, just timing that would have changed.

I'm excited for the show down in the next film. I'm hoping we get a 5-10 year time jump honestly. The "Resistance" needs to rebuild, the scope needs to increase, and both Rey and Ren need to consolidate their abilities and possibly train others.

I kind of agree, Hulksmash, and avoid it in my post just above yours, but the hyperspace missile thing realllllly bothers me. It shouldn't and I know it's nitpicking, but here's my $0.02 on the hyperspace missile thing:

Why? Why haven't we seen this before? I had always assumed it was because hyperspace stuff couldn't hit not-hyperspace stuff, like it was somehow nonphysical or in another dimension or whatever.

Now, I just don't know. In a universe where droid brains exist and therefore hyperspace-capable missiles exist, why wouldn't you use them? Why would capital ships be a thing at all? The military logic of the setting is ruined for me.

Anyways, that's all I'm going to say. I'm a bit upset that the whole military coherency of the setting is completely undone in one scene, but that's just me. I know it's nitpicky. Sorry.

I thought, We see Lord Vadar's ship show up out of Hyperspace at the end of R1 just where rebel ships had jumped to light speed previously. Why didn't they blow up Vadar's ship?

However, Hux does figure out what is going on just before it happens so at least "in-universe" it is a known threat.

Why wouldn;t you make a droid operated Hyperspace "fire ship" as a cheap throw away weapon?

Edit: Agree that the Rey and Kylo dynamic was the most interesting part of the movie.

 Easy E wrote:
I thought, We see Lord Vadar's ship show up out of Hyperspace at the end of R1 just where rebel ships had jumped to light speed previously. Why didn't they blow up Vadar's ship?

However, Hux does figure out what is going on just before it happens so at least "in-universe" it is a known threat.

Why wouldn;t you make a droid operated Hyperspace "fire ship" as a cheap throw away weapon?

Edit: Agree that the Rey and Kylo dynamic was the most interesting part of the movie.

I saw that too. My assumption is basically if you have time to shift at all it must miss? So it's not really a threat generally? But then they had to have it go and smash ships not along it's line and screw up that scenario of thinking as well.....Honestly, nearly as bad as the starkiller weapon. ALMOST. I find it odd that my biggest issues with the series so far have been stupid handwavium science.

See the problem with "you can dodge it" is that you can't see it coming.

For a while now it's been canon that you can't sense things in hyperspace. In fact, it's even stated outright in TLJ: the whole "hyperspace tracking!?" fiasco.

So presumably, the hyperspace droid missiles are moving faster than the information that says they were even launched...

We have loads of people saying they liked the movie on balance while still being able to list diverse elements of the film that didn't work for them personally.

We also have a fair handful of folks defending the movie who can't imagine why anyone would not like the movie.

Your own camp can help you with that bros. I mean seriously.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I kind of agree, Hulksmash, and avoid it in my post just above yours, but the hyperspace missile thing realllllly bothers me. It shouldn't and I know it's nitpicking, but here's my $0.02 on the hyperspace missile thing:

Why? Why haven't we seen this before? I had always assumed it was because hyperspace stuff couldn't hit not-hyperspace stuff, like it was somehow nonphysical or in another dimension or whatever.

Now, I just don't know. In a universe where droid brains exist and therefore hyperspace-capable missiles exist, why wouldn't you use them? Why would capital ships be a thing at all? The military logic of the setting is ruined for me.

Anyways, that's all I'm going to say. I'm a bit upset that the whole military coherency of the setting is completely undone in one scene, but that's just me. I know it's nitpicky. Sorry.

100% agree. I understand that this is sci-fantasy but seriously...If hyperspace can be used as a weapon so easily - the entire concept of starwars is flawed. A death-star would be meaningless and easily destroyed by hyperspace kenetic weapons.