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 DaveC wrote:
Someone uploaded this a bit early

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/17/forge-world-previews-halflings-and-heroes/

Kal Jericho and Scabs are next weeks preorders (25th May)

What's that? Wasshisface and that guy from a comic 20 years ago are getting models?

My gosh, how will I contain my excit... zzz...

C'mon, Newcromunda is out of Early Access. Give us some proper expansions.

I mean, it's cool and all, but it seems a weird choice for plastic...

On the plus side, we have some excellent conversion fodder for Inquisitors, Rogue Traders etc Being in plastic makes it all the easier to chop up!

Jerico would make a great custom Creed base.

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Delaque look nothing like their original minis.

Yes they do. The only big change is that after pneumonia became the leading cause of death for the house, the leadership ordered everyone to stop running around their coats open like idiots.

Or put on robes, in fact. And get their goggles drilled into their eye-sockets with the straps removed, and generally look more like Githzerai or Cenobites than humans. And use completely alien pistols that look designed for giant humans... in a 20th century computer game.
So, yeah, apart from a complete departure from the aesthetic, they look the same.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Enforcers that look how Enforcers should

What does an Enforcer look like?

 Yodhrin wrote:
ie their own thing, rather than being a zero-effort rebranding of unreleased Arbites models(likely test sculpts considering they're...not brilliant). These are supposed to be the personal thugs of the planetary governor, they deserve something better than Arbites knockoffs.

And hey, given the way 40K is going, soon you'll be able to get actual plastic Arbites to use as totes-not-Arbites-honest-guv Enforcers if that's really your jam.

Lemme ask you this:

Do you think Enforcers are popular?

I personally think they've proven to be quite popular, given that people have been asking about them since Newcromunda came about and that they're the first of the non-core gangs to get a new release. If you agree and also think that Enforcers are popular, then let me follow up with this question:

Do you think Enforcers were popular because of or in spite of their existing miniatures?

I ask this because I believe Enforcers are very popular among Necromunda players, and I doubt there's a single one of them that would ever say "I love me some Enforcers... but I wish they looked completely different!".

Haven't Games Workshop already decided that Enforcers look different from the Judge-Dredd Inspired Arbites though? The old Necromunda models are not the latest model of them, Forgeworld had an event-exclusive Enforcer mini a few years ago and it wasn't that similar to the Arbites version.

Oh nice, at least Karl Jerico had Hotshot on his laspistol. And the kid actually carry decent weapon.

Cool models, not much use in game aside from proxy-ing as something else.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Haven't Games Workshop already decided that Enforcers look different from the Judge-Dredd Inspired Arbites though? The old Necromunda models are not the latest model of them, Forgeworld had an event-exclusive Enforcer mini a few years ago and it wasn't that similar to the Arbites version.

Sadly impossible to say which way they'll go stylistically till we see the models.

I kinda liked the Dredd inspired Arbites, but am open to something new.

 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, it's cool and all, but it seems a weird choice for plastic...

I think it’s a fine choice for plastic, until it takes up one of the 4 plastic slots the game has in a year.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, it's cool and all, but it seems a weird choice for plastic...

I think it’s a fine choice for plastic, until it takes up one of the 4 plastic slots the game has in a year.

Yes, that's my beef with it. In a perfect world with unlimited production capacity it wouldn't matter. But getting this chump instead of a new gang, or maybe multi-part bounty hunter or something? Abyssmal.

 lord_blackfang wrote:



Yes, that's my beef with it. In a perfect world with unlimited production capacity it wouldn't matter. But getting this chump instead of a new gang, or maybe multi-part bounty hunter or something? Abyssmal.

I have a speculation that SG have been pulling people/production slot from other games to make big kits for AT and/or the new Aeronautica Imperialis. Now that they had confirmed to hire more people hopefully the production cycle go back on track.

No one knows how they get produced, do we? This is probably more like the single model kits for Blood Bowl, the Troll and Ogre. Which are like 40k character sprues.


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GW produces character sprues in cheaper (aluminum) moulds than the regular kits that are steel and last longer.

Because they need much less than of them then the other kits.

Warhams-77 wrote:
No one knows how they get produced, do we? This is probably more like the single model kits for Blood Bowl, the Troll and Ogre. Which are like 40k character sprues.

Yeah, but there's only one plastic kit a quarter for Necromunda. This is Q2's for this year (the Ambots being Q1's).

I'm fine with getting plastic chars instead of gangs.

Warhams-77 wrote:
No one knows how they get produced, do we? This is probably more like the single model kits for Blood Bowl, the Troll and Ogre. Which are like 40k character sprues.

The blood bowl characters were released in very short time period along side the new team and book (Feb>March>May) At that time they also didn't make up the "quarterly release rule" for Blood Bowl, It was meant to be the final release for the game.

A character took less time, resource, and effort to make, and also no new expansion, the Necromunda team had clearly been slacking off on their game if this is the only release this quarter and people had to wait 3-5 months more for the next release. Not to mention said characters are probably overpriced and not have much use in game outside of proxying or get chop-up to be made into other things.

Chopstick wrote:
, and also no new expansion, the Necromunda team had clearly been slacking off on their game if this is the only release this quarter and people had to wait 3-5 months more for the next release. .

From garro:
The next book is called something like “perils of the underhive”. the main focus is the bad zones and making the terrain and board more dangerous and engaging. The book has the artwork of Kal Jercho and Scabbs on the cover for those wondering. The book has the rules for all the new characters shown on Twitch and the HH weekender (all the cool artwork) alongside Kal and Scabbs. The main meat of the book is the bad zones which are 6 ‘zones’ you can play in, which have in game effects, and a table of ‘events’ that happen at the end of game turns, these are Environmental hazards ranging from power cuts, lightning storms, to carnivorous fungus attacking outlaying gangers. The bad zones and events are being released as a card set for ease of use, but all of it will be in the book. There is also a set of scenarios (one for each zone) which are themed around their attached zone. The book also contains a ‘bad zones trading post’ which is an expansion to the existing one which provides new weapons, ammo, and wargear that prove useful in the bad zones, some of which hearken back to rogue trader and 2nd edition (anti-plant grenades etc). The book also has updated rules for the Venator band that appeared in last years white dwarf.

with Kal a book supposedly comes out.
I do not know why they do not mention it in the next week's article

And how much of that book will be in the compilation book at the end of the year?

Sorry. Just not going that again. Fool me once, etc. etc.

[EDIT]: And now there's someone on eBay selling stairs, among other useful things.

Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm fine with getting plastic chars instead of gangs.

I am emphatically not.

The focus has to be on getting people to the table. Locally, it's bad enough that people are having a row about the multi part complicated ganges, now we are seeing characters, and all of the other forge world stuff damn near locally unattainable.

Its all fine to bring out new product, but why is it so much a challenge to get into people hands?

The base six gangs need their spot in the sun, but then we need to start keeping the prospective as we're literally looking at a game with a Sutter farm and Colt 45 budget being sold at Champaign and Caviar prices.

Still have to hold judgement on the "Enforcers", because we are literally looking at the term with different connotations here. I still have a few gangs of my own, but my local game almost has dried up because of the wishy washy development, and lack of discussion. Its as if GW has one guy in there with a great plan, while everyone else is kindly ignoring it and cutting him off at the knees in giving out any sort of publicity whatsoever.

 Grot 6 wrote:
The focus has to be on getting people to the table. Locally, it's bad enough that people are having a row about the multi part complicated ganges, now we are seeing characters, and all of the other forge world stuff damn near locally unattainable.

Its all fine to bring out new product, but why is it so much a challenge to get into people hands?

The base six gangs need their spot in the sun, but then we need to start keeping the prospective as we're literally looking at a game with a Sutter farm and Colt 45 budget being sold at Champaign and Caviar prices.

Still have to hold judgement on the "Enforcers", because we are literally looking at the term with different connotations here. I still have a few gangs of my own, but my local game almost has dried up because of the wishy washy development, and lack of discussion. Its as if GW has one guy in there with a great plan, while everyone else is kindly ignoring it and cutting him off at the knees in giving out any sort of publicity whatsoever.

Isn't getting people to the table your job? As a player I mean, isn't it is the player base who are supposed to drive the games in your area ? Also I believe that GW have done sterling work bringing back this much loved game and setting and supporting it with very regular releases and upgrades etc and there is a vast amount in the pipeline too, the enforcer are just the start, forgeworld have already committed to more gangs in plastic and more plastics for the first six gangs (juves and champions/bosses) .

Obispudkenobi wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
The focus has to be on getting people to the table. Locally, it's bad enough that people are having a row about the multi part complicated ganges, now we are seeing characters, and all of the other forge world stuff damn near locally unattainable.

Its all fine to bring out new product, but why is it so much a challenge to get into people hands?

The base six gangs need their spot in the sun, but then we need to start keeping the prospective as we're literally looking at a game with a Sutter farm and Colt 45 budget being sold at Champaign and Caviar prices.

Still have to hold judgement on the "Enforcers", because we are literally looking at the term with different connotations here. I still have a few gangs of my own, but my local game almost has dried up because of the wishy washy development, and lack of discussion. Its as if GW has one guy in there with a great plan, while everyone else is kindly ignoring it and cutting him off at the knees in giving out any sort of publicity whatsoever.

Isn't getting people to the table your job? As a player I mean, isn't it is the player base who are supposed to drive the games in your area ? Also I believe that GW have done sterling work bringing back this much loved game and setting and supporting it with very regular releases and upgrades etc and there is a vast amount in the pipeline too, the enforcer are just the start, forgeworld have already committed to more gangs in plastic and more plastics for the first six gangs (juves and champions/bosses) .

You can promote your game all you want, but it's not going to matter if the potential player base can't access the models easily. Limiting the weapon upgrades to forgeworld is a mistake, imo. You should be able to buy weapon upgrades in-store.

Or just make them plastic, I'm sure many people would want them cool weapons or heads for something else other than Necromunda, But it is what it is.

With Kal being an upcoming plastic release, I hope his head and hair are separate pieces and not moulded onto his coat, he's just screaming for some converting, just like his previous incarnations, both in 28mm and 54mm.

Pony tail look like a separated piece, The front braid though, look like it's part of the coat. Chop it and replace it with something else.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:



Isn't getting people to the table your job? As a player I mean, isn't it is the player base who are supposed to drive the games in your area ? Also I believe that GW have done sterling work bringing back this much loved game and setting and supporting it with very regular releases and upgrades etc and there is a vast amount in the pipeline too, the enforcer are just the start, forgeworld have already committed to more gangs in plastic and more plastics for the first six gangs (juves and champions/bosses) .

You can promote your game all you want, but it's not going to matter if the potential player base can't access the models easily. Limiting the weapon upgrades to forgeworld is a mistake, imo. You should be able to buy weapon upgrades in-store.

and on that same track, the stores by me don't keep stock of Necromunda. They don't have an active player base, so what they have in stock is just the stuff that didn't sell from their initial orders. Hard to convince walk-ins to pick a game when I'll be their only opponent and the store we play in doesn't even support it.

At the same time most people have access to online buying now. So FW isn't the barrier it once was - heck we don't even have the old "up to 14 days delivery" times for online orders (unless you get something out of stock from Wayland ). These days we are used to orders appearing in a few days if not the next day or two.

So as long as local stores can make an effort to stock the core game in some form the FW expanded content isn't out of peoples reach like it one was - though I'd argue GW could do more to advertise it.

 Overread wrote:
At the same time most people have access to online buying now. So FW isn't the barrier it once was - heck we don't even have the old "up to 14 days delivery" times for online orders (unless you get something out of stock from Wayland ). These days we are used to orders appearing in a few days if not the next day or two.

So as long as local stores can make an effort to stock the core game in some form the FW expanded content isn't out of peoples reach like it one was - though I'd argue GW could do more to advertise it.

I suspect it's a bigger problem in the US where they seem really dependent on stores as a venue for gaming - a shop isn't going to want to encourage people to get into games where they can only buy a significant portion of the range from somewhere other than said shop.

That said, it's Current Year and we have the internet now, so it's probably time Americans got used to the idea of getting a community for a game going on your own, on your kitchen table if needs be, if you really want to play it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
At the same time most people have access to online buying now. So FW isn't the barrier it once was - heck we don't even have the old "up to 14 days delivery" times for online orders (unless you get something out of stock from Wayland ). These days we are used to orders appearing in a few days if not the next day or two.

So as long as local stores can make an effort to stock the core game in some form the FW expanded content isn't out of peoples reach like it one was - though I'd argue GW could do more to advertise it.

I suspect it's a bigger problem in the US where they seem really dependent on stores as a venue for gaming - a shop isn't going to want to encourage people to get into games where they can only buy a significant portion of the range from somewhere other than said shop.

That said, it's Current Year and we have the internet now, so it's probably time Americans got used to the idea of getting a community for a game going on your own, on your kitchen table if needs be, if you really want to play it.

Some Americans do just that, but when you want to grow a group and you get past 6-8 people (for skirmish games) or 3-4 people for massed battle games it gets hard to host that big of a group in ones house, especially if you have pets or children. Stores are also needed for supplies (paints and such) as well as a meeting space to find fresh blood. Sure you can post on local group pages to meet gamers for one offs, but some people I met I’d rather them not know where I live, plus there’s always the one that smells funky and you don’t want them bringing fleas to your place .

As a former employee to game stores (late teen early twenties....god that was over 2 decades ago ), you carry the core of new games but not all the expansions in hopes of finding the next big game while limiting your outlay. If a game starts to pick up then you can help grow it by carrying more, but your sales have to back it up, not buy all the things and hope for the best.

Such a simple solution, Yodhrin. Thank you.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Such a simple solution, Yodhrin. Thank you.

I'm gonna guess the edit suggests this is sarcastic, and was originally a bit snarkier?

Regardless - it's simple yes, but nobody's suggesting it will be easy. In fact it's often a colossal pain in the arse, the question is how much you want to play that game? In the past when I've really fancied playing some Mordheim I had to make all the required warbands and hired swords, make all the terrain and tables, print out copies of the rules, provide the venue, and run the campaign itself. It was loads of effort, and I'd much rather have been able to just walk into the local club, say "anyone fancy a Mordheim campaign", and be beating takers off with a stick.

But things are the way they are, and eventually you kinda have to put up, or the other thing.