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Haha yes unfortunately. I hoped again that the quality would improve, the compiled rulebooks were better. Time and time I learn the same lesson, do not hope!

Enforcers next week along with some other things: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/28/coming-soon-warbands-enforcers-and-more/

Oh, hey, I forgot these guys were stuck in the queue. Might pick up a box and use them elsewhere.

They will make good sm scouts I think.

Definitely agree-will use them as scouts in an otherwise all primaris list. I think these will fit better than the current scouts.

There's also a deck of shady ploys and a deck of underdog boosts, those are more interesting to me.

How about picking the Enforcers up and use them as actual Enforcers in Necromunda? They might be my next gang to paint up.

We already have 262 cards in this game. With the new decks, we may have as many as 350 cards total. Do we need more?

Underdog specific tactics cards. Interesting.

Hope to see what's in the Book of Judgement. If it's just the enforcers and criminals.... likely to be a pass for now.

I assume that’s all it will be.
Would it have the rules for stuff not out, or even previewed yet, just not the MO anymore..

But then we are getting the same problem as Gang War all over again..

Cramming all the Warcry and Necromunda stuff on the same week is going to hurt. I know they are two different universes, but I like my skirmish games.

I really hate the way GW plans out its releases. With Necromunda, it is borderline offensive. Nothing for months, then boom, $150 with a week's early warning. Warcry, here's a $170 starter set, a $90 terrain box, and a $50 warband... next week, here's a $90 terrain box and $150 worth of warbands. Like, I just gave you my entire budget for the next month yesterday!

It wouldn't be so bad if GW didn't have supply issues and you didn't have to buy starter sets, terrain boxes, and card packs immediately or risk never seeing them again.

I'm too middle class to be able to afford GW...

Well, even if they compiled the cults, and added in rules for criminal allies similar to the Guilds I'd be interested.

...

Eh? Venators are already in Book of Peril

But the cults are not.

Baxx wrote:
How about picking the Enforcers up and use them as actual Enforcers in Necromunda?

Nah, they're obviously Selucid Thorakites.

Hmm... I thought I already had that book.

Lotta cards coming out, and still no sign of the cards for the original 6 gangs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I thought I already had that book.

Lotta cards coming out, and still no sign of the cards for the original 6 gangs.

I like how they recently introduced a mechanic where the lower rated gang could purchase those now OOP tactics cards to offset the difference in rating. Now we have a new "Underdog" system with another set of cards that will be available as a first and lat chance to buy......

I like that it is judgement (with the e) instead of judgment. I guess that is the British preferred version? In the US, the e is rarely used - but I like the word better with the e.

Baxx wrote:
How about picking the Enforcers up and use them as actual Enforcers in Necromunda?

Because truthfully, Necro2017 struck me as a bad game with a terrible release model, multiple flawed and contradictory books that don't actually contribute to coherent ruleset and a lot of expensive extras of dubious purpose.

Picking up a gang I like the looks of for something else? Sure, I can see doing that.
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Burning the however many hundred dollars to run a shoddy throwaway game that highlights the worst of what GW can do when pursuing a cash first release model? No thanks.

Game is in stable state right now. Problem is finding like-minded dedicated hobbyist to play with.

Love the enforcers, think I'm gonna pick up a box to use as a scout squad for my primaris army since the helmets have a similar look.

How long before Book of Judgment, Book of Perils (?) and a couple of others are compiled and changed enough so these releases are superseded?

The underdog card announcement was sent out by our Necromunda arbiter as a possibility. I'm going to lobby to have the free downloadable cards that GW put up a month or two back as an alternative.

 privateer4hire wrote:
How long before Book of Judgment, Book of Perils (?) and a couple of others are compiled and changed enough so these releases are superseded?

The underdog card announcement was sent out by our Necromunda arbiter as a possibility. I'm going to lobby to have the free downloadable cards that GW put up a month or two back as an alternative.

Not sure. It would be beneficial to have them compiled and re-released to remove the errors and contradictions they put in them, possibly also adding clarifications where needed. They are however hardbacks, every previous book that has been superseeded was softback.

On the other hand, every additional gang has been updatede several times. Chaos is on version 3, Genestealer Cult is version 2 or 3, Bounty Hunter Venator is version 2. Would be strange if they managed to get Enforcers right on the first attempt.


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Voss wrote:

Baxx wrote:
How about picking the Enforcers up and use them as actual Enforcers in Necromunda?

Because truthfully, Necro2017 struck me as a bad game with a terrible release model, multiple flawed and contradictory books that don't actually contribute to coherent ruleset and a lot of expensive extras of dubious purpose.

Picking up a gang I like the looks of for something else? Sure, I can see doing that.
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Burning the however many hundred dollars to run a shoddy throwaway game that highlights the worst of what GW can do when pursuing a cash first release model? No thanks.

That all depends. The game itself is fun. Many improvements, expansions and interesting changes from the original classic. But also very sloppy writing that leads to confusing threads and discussions on forums every day. A friend of mine joined N17/N18 without buying anything (he's a 40k veteran and also played classic Necromunda). We had all the terrain needed, we share a big deck of all tactics cards (printable from pdf) so nobody need to bring their own. We have a printable rulesets which includes 100% of everything released, up to date. He play using chaos minis he already got from collecting and playing 40k for decades. Only thing that would be useful for him was to pick up a set of dice really. We have however enough extra dice for him to borrow (only need ammo and injury dice, and those can even be translated from normal D6s).

The things you say are still true, and it pains me, having fond memory of original Necromunda where this kind of stuff was never an issue. The sloppy, careless writing in particular pains me, how they can shat all over something that is such a beloved game for many veterans.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I thought I already had that book.

Lotta cards coming out, and still no sign of the cards for the original 6 gangs.

I like how they recently introduced a mechanic where the lower rated gang could purchase those now OOP tactics cards to offset the difference in rating. Now we have a new "Underdog" system with another set of cards that will be available as a first and lat chance to buy......

There are numerous underdog bonuses:
-additional tactics cards as detailed in most scenarios
-House Favours
-House Patronage

None of these are really robust or works perfectly.

I'd like to know more about the Underdogs tactics cards and whether they are covered in the book itself.

I'm not exactly sure how they would weld new tactics cards rules to what already exists without putting it on a page somewhere. Underdogs already get extra cards... so is this new pack going to be cards that can only be taken to fill those extra slots? If so, what makes them more valuable than the already-amazing tactics cards out there? Or will these new cards be taken in addition to, or instead of, the preexisting underdog card advantage?

The Intrigues and Rackets card look like reprinted card-forms of the rules that will appear in the book itself (much like the Domination territories deck just reprinted the rulebook territories).

 privateer4hire wrote:
How long before Book of Judgment, Book of Perils (?) and a couple of others are compiled and changed enough so these releases are superseded?

The fact that the books are now hardback makes me think they intend for them to stick around. I think parts might get updated. The hired guns and Enforcers may get compiled into a "Gangs of the Underhive, Part Deux", but the campaigns and scenarios are pretty stand alone. I guess time will tell, but carrying four Gang Wars books around with you was bad enough when they weren't heavy hardbacks.

Personally, I like the books. Necromunda has very little in the ways of models coming out regularly for it, so the books offer an opportunity to add sizeable new content to the game. New campaigns are the perfect way for Necromunda to grow given that limitation, but I wish they'd stay away from the cards. They become hard to find too quickly and require specialty card sleeves because they are a stupid, unwieldy size. (And I wish Necromunda would dump the Forgeworld gak and release plastic models and upgrades that people can actually buy on Amazon with a reasonable price).

Hired guns need a look. Bounty hunters are maybe worth it, as they'll stick around a fair while unless you've got a lot of casualty and capture going on, and the initial outlay while high is going to be equivalent to a Brute who could take a melta to the face first game out.

Scum are just never going to be worthwhile, but they weren't in Oldcromunda either. Mordheim (and Wyrds and Ratskins in Oldcromunda) had the advantage of abilities your gang just didn't have, and couldn't get.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
How long before Book of Judgment, Book of Perils (?) and a couple of others are compiled and changed enough so these releases are superseded?

The fact that the books are now hardback makes me think they intend for them to stick around. ...

As an owner of the 2nd Stormcast army book (hard cover) that was superseded in right around a year after it was released, I think Lucy just might, might, be thinking of snatching that football from me at the last second. From now on, if I don't "need" it for the stuff I have collected, I ain't buying it.

We're getting mixed signals on the game local. As much as the old school players have their stuff from the previous games, the new stuff is just pretty pink pony's. The distribution and release is a total gakshow, even if the game has a lot of good additions to the Necromunda game.

On one hand, we like the tight fit of playing a skirmish game with guys that you can grow around, that is cheap for GW games, but on the other, the sputter and release of a 10 guy box set with the thick hardbacked books, and the Forgeworld only aspect really piss you off. YET ANOTHER hardbacked book of unknown lickies and chewies… I don't know about that one.


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 privateer4hire wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
How long before Book of Judgment, Book of Perils (?) and a couple of others are compiled and changed enough so these releases are superseded?

The fact that the books are now hardback makes me think they intend for them to stick around. ...

As an owner of the 2nd Stormcast army book (hard cover) that was superseded in right around a year after it was released, I think Lucy just might, might, be thinking of snatching that football from me at the last second. From now on, if I don't "need" it for the stuff I have collected, I ain't buying it.

I think I might have to go this route if this turns into garbage. I think it's that lack of care that is getting me a little peeved at this point. They can't put out just a White Dwarf, or Online download, then why have the website? Honestly, it just looks like someone making this up as they go along with no real plans.

Enforcers & Book of Judgement on Warhammer TV Thursday -

I wonder if we'll see the phyre cats ever :(