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You know what I'd like even more than that? If they just put all the sodding rules into the rulebooks. All these cards and cards and more cards, and it could have been a single page per-pack if they were laid out in a normal format.
And it's so mental to me that they insist on doing them as unwieldy cards...then don't even bother to keep them in stock. Most of the people I've run into who play the new version now just pirate them, even the ones they did have the opportunity to buy, because why reward GW for such completely back-asswards setups?
It's not like it's hard to come up with reasonable approaches either. One, put all the rules into the books themselves, keep the cards limited, and market them as a "nice to have" play aid; given the quantities they bother to make they'd still sell out. Two, continue to do the cards for everything, but actually keep them in stock. Three, continue to do the cards for everything, then put them out in digital format when the initial print run sells through. The last one doesn't even require any effort on their part, they could have an intern upload the print layout PDF during their lunchbreak.
This isn't some minor bugbear that only online grogs care about either, I've run into a couple of people - prime buy-anything-GW type customers - now who're hesitant to get into Necromunda because they see the even-worse-than-usual proofing/editing and the vanishing accessories-you-actually-kinda-need as indicative that GW are half arsing the game and might drop it. And even though that's probably not a correct perception, it's one that's hard to counter on the actual evidence.
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This is GW. They make the cards some absurd size that nobody makes card sleeves for, then take two years to actually release their own card sleeves AFTER all the cards are all out of print.
(Card sleeves are the pocket protectors of the gaming world, but by golly, I insist).
Blood of the Phoenix isn't when GW lost their minds, it's just when it stopped being funny.
the only fighters that can take pistols – the rest of the gang can only take close combat weapons. T
well, rip this gang.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
the only fighters that can take pistols – the rest of the gang can only take close combat weapons. T
well, rip this gang.
Its the curse of Khorne for most of the last couple decades, barring the weird cannon bike/chariot thing. Don't know where 'Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows' went, but the overwhelming 'Khorne worshippers must be axe murderers only' is ridiculously absurd and makes the armies/forces/gangs so amazingly one dimensional.
Yodhrin wrote: You know what I'd like even more than that? If they just put all the sodding rules into the rulebooks. All these cards and cards and more cards, and it could have been a single page per-pack if they were laid out in a normal format.
And it's so mental to me that they insist on doing them as unwieldy cards...then don't even bother to keep them in stock. Most of the people I've run into who play the new version now just pirate them, even the ones they did have the opportunity to buy, because why reward GW for such completely back-asswards setups?
The card format actually suits the way those abilities work.
They're hidden information, and generated pre-game (often randomly), so they're not really suitable for rulebook tables in the same way something like 40K stratagems are (open information, voluntarily selected in-game).
Yeah, I mean, this Gang literally can't get any ranged weapons. I can only imagine how many pieces of the gang will be left the minute they go against a Van Saar gang.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Crazyterran wrote: Yeah, I mean, this Gang literally can't get any ranged weapons. I can only imagine how many pieces of the gang will be left the minute they go against a Van Saar gang.
A lot of missions don't put you in the greatest position like a game of Warhammer 40k. There's a LOT of missions where a VS gang is going to get erased by the Corpse Grinders.
Bob Lorgar wrote: What exactly do you need the cards for, anyway? Do they have information that's just not found in any of the books?
Reading through the rest of the thread, it sounds like you do. Boy is that stupid.
The cards are mostly gang tactics cards, which you either pick a few or get a few randomly at the start of each scenario. They can do everything from healing a wound during a game, to slamming a door shut at an inopportune moment, to allowing your gang to escape if things suddenly start going bad, to setting fire to an entire mortalis tile and burning everything in it.
They are versatile and 100% not printed anywhere else in any book or supplement GW has printed.
The are a few other cards, like profile cards for Special Characters and territory cards that aren't strictly necessary, but sure are useful. Those do exist in the books.
The latest boxsets are ridiculously priced, especially this one. This bodes not well for the Sisters of Battle release.
Where I am amazed by is the fact that even this new Necromunda box sells. Why don't people for once vote with their wallets, just this single box, to make it clear that these prices are ridiculous. IKt is not like this is a box which has only exclusive otems, and do you really need those new gangs and scenery now?
If this box sells very few copies, GW might actually be rethinking their pricing strategy. But if people keep buying these things, GW will just raise the price some more to see how far they can go.
I used to buy most boxsets because they actually were reasonably priced ,for GW standards, but they lost me with Blood of the Phoenix and seeing this new Necromunda release, I doubt things will improve soon.
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If this box sells very few copies, GW might actually be rethinking their pricing strategy.
No, they will think that there is not much interest in Necromunda any more and will increase the prices so that they get the same profit with less sales
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If this box sells very few copies, GW might actually be rethinking their pricing strategy.
No, they will think that there is not much interest in Necromunda any more and will increase the prices so that they get the same profit with less sales
Considering it's dropped down to 29 copies from a 140 odd from element games since yesterday, not much chance of that happening.
Looking the unbox vids it looks like its just an overload of terrain sprues… Personally I would prefered 6 factions in the box and then a separate necro terrain box just like the tiles.
Where I am amazed by is the fact that even this new Necromunda box sells. Why don't people for once vote with their wallet
They are voting with their wallet, those who see something they want are voting with their wallet. I've spent way more than that on 40k and AOS armies in the past, if I thought I'd actually get to play necromunda regularly I'd be buying that box.
That is far too expensive. It is a 2 player game, for that price I could buy 4 high quality boardgames that play 2-6 players and require less time and effort to get ready to play.
GW don't have the hobby monopoly they once had, they may be a big fish in their pond, but things like this just come across as a cash grab... no doubt those who have drank the GW kool aid will lap it up, which means that GW will think it is fine to sell at this price.
When I was staff I could buy the 3rd edition Dark Eldar jetbike sprue for 6p... and GW still made a profit on that.
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
How much do people spend on just 1 side of a 40k and AOS game though, a 2000pt army is often much more than £175 and you only have 1 army with no rules nor terrain nor the 2nd side etc.
I just got back from a local games shop selling masses of board games, there are some in their for well over £100, and then expansions for around £100 as well. Many board games are £80 odd. People will pay a fair amount for a game. Some people will not. They are all voting with their wallets so to speak.
Do I think it this is expensive, yes it is too expensive for me given I don't see that I'd ever play more than 1 or 2 games anyway. The same with the adeptus titanicus game; that looked nice but as I wouldn't expect to find many players where I am then not worth it to me, but it sold like hot cakes.
The point was about the prior posters comment on voting with their wallet; people already are - some with a no and some with a yes. That poster seems confused by the notion of value being personally subjective and others may vote in a way they wouldn't.
puree wrote: How much do people spend on just 1 side of a 40k and AOS game though, a 2000pt army is often much more than £175 and you only have 1 army with no rules nor terrain nor the 2nd side etc.
I think there are different kinds of GW customers. I think there are people who build a complete 2,000 pt army, but I think there are also what I call "event buyers". They like the big box releases. Starter sets, army boxes, battleforces, boardgames (like Warhammer Quest), and so on. I think it is probably rare for them to buy an individual box of miniatures, and instead choose big, individual bulk purchases.
I'm one of those (well, I was - those boxes are the ones hit the hardest by GW's insanity, starting with Warhammer Quest's expansions). I don't have a 2,000pt army of anything. But I have small armies for a dozen different factions in multiple games (including stuff like Adeptus Titanicus, Middle Earth SBG, and so on), all built from those two army boxes, starter sets, and what have you. I can play pretty much any faction in Kill Team or Warcry, but I can not play a single tournament level game of 40k or AoS.
They are all voting with their wallets so to speak.
Necromunda is one of my favorite games (even though I don't really play it). I just love the lore, the models, the rules, the terrain - basically everything. I want to support Necromunda. In fact, I'd rather support Necromunda than almost anything else GW makes. I felt fine about skipping Phoenix and the Ossiarch/Ogor boxes (which I almost certainly would've bought at $150 each). But I'm actually conflicted on this box. Not because I want to spend $300, but because this could be a big chance for Necromunda to get some actual support - the last GW survey, the main thing I asked for was for them to dedicate more resources towards Necromunda (plastics). And here, they have, but at a premium cost.
So, I'm conflicted, frustrated, and angry. I want to protest the price, but I don't also want to protest Necromunda. I honestly haven't even decided whether I'm getting Dark Uprising or not. I know I'll feel terrible allowing myself to be so openly exploited, but I also know that Necromunda and Warcry are the only GW games that I actually like and want more of.
If I'm going to vote with my wallet, I'm just going to stop buying everything GW makes EXCEPT Necromunda (and Warcry)... Actually, that might not be a terrible plan...
Well, great for you. For that kind of money, I'd rather get a full new computer, or like another four Anycubic Photons... but that's just me, of course.
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They will always be a core of the "special" customers that GW loves, that still makes this boxset way overpriced.
Saying that I have got to hand it to GW making £145 per boxset profit is impressive and should help prop the financials up for another 6 months against last years figures.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Death Guard 1.0: 8,500 points painted (Pics available in Gallery) P: 7 W: 1 D: 3 L: 3
Thousand Sons: 3,750 points painted P:1 W:1 D:0 L:0
Nurgle Daemons: 3,800 points painted P:2 W:1 D:1 L:0
Tyranids: 2,000 points painted
Primaris "Honoured Mastodons": 3,700 points painted
Tau 6,750 points painted 
