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Rules bloat! These are not champs and juves, they are new fighter classes. We get more of everything we already got enough of (fighter classes, weapons, scenarios, alliances, gang variants, special terrain).

Gonna stick to my guns, despite having slavishly bought every book so far.

For me, it’s all content lead. I don’t mind doubling up on some rules, provided the majority of each book is new rules.

The long-awaited Champion and Juves expansion! That make me excited what coming up next for Escher.


Also I hope they space for a female Goliath champ , the female juve look nice...

These are not juves or champs though :( Everybody wanted minis for juves and champs. Nowhere did anyone ask for more fighter classes (specially not dual wielding heavy/special weapons).

They look cool enough. Shame about there being just three bodies among all of them.

It does say that this is an "update", so it might be that they're renaming Juves and Champions for each faction.

I think these are juves just that instead of all the clans using juves they will now have their own "internal to clan" name and associated model kit.

It also leaves the door open for GW to make generic juves as a kit on their own with their own basic weapons without having to make a single kit and then a halfdozen weapon packs - one for each gang.

Looks like they’re going to replace Juves and Specialists(?)

 Kanluwen wrote:
It does say that this is an "update", so it might be that they're renaming Juves and Champions for each faction.

It seems to me like that. They did it with the Corpse Grinders already and if these are all the bodies there are, they could fit two of each on a single sprue.

I honestly think there'll be no Juves per se as the current climate makes it probable that someone will complain about child soldiers. Serious.

 zedmeister wrote:
Looks like they’re going to replace Juves and Specialists(?)

I’m not 100% on that.

Could just be variants on the above, that have a more restricted development tree?

I dont think there's a female juve.

Technically right.

There’s two!

You can tell because of the Knocker Plate.

I think this is where Necro is drifting from its origins—and I’m ok with that. Hopefully these books are complete and don’t need the shared book...

Can’t wait to see the other gangs.

 Overread wrote:
I think these are juves just that instead of all the clans using juves they will now have their own "internal to clan" name and associated model kit.

It also leaves the door open for GW to make generic juves as a kit on their own with their own basic weapons without having to make a single kit and then a halfdozen weapon packs - one for each gang.

So far everything has been unique minis and weapons per gang. No sign of GW has any interest in making generic kits.

If it's a gang specific rename of juves and champions, rules are going to be updated, because according to GW juves can't be armed with weapons that cost more than 20 credits (first game, I know, silly rule). Fighters can't have use 2 unwieldy weapons (without skill). And no existing Goliath is having any chance at utilizing 2 special/heavy weapons at the same time). Also keep in mind all their minis have weapons that can be purchased from start. If it is a choice between adding 2 new fighter classes or updating/renaming 2 existing fighter classes, I fear GW wants to expand instead of update/rename existing stuff.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
I think this is where Necro is drifting from its origins—and I’m ok with that. Hopefully these books are complete and don’t need the shared book...

Can’t wait to see the other gangs.

These books are not going to be "complete". No book GW ever release is "complete".

Dual wielding grenade launcher (or is it heavy bolter?) is drifting way off course in my opinion.

Well, with just the ‘main’ two books (rules and Gangs) you’re good to go.

The rest is optional.

And let us all be entirely honest. One of the reasons GW originally dropped this sort of game, was their inherently limited sales potential, compared to ‘full scale’ games.

As I’ve said many times before, as long as each expansion provides meaningful content? I’m okay with it, as it means the game keeps bringing in new money, keeping it in turn alive for longer.

Other opinions are of course available, and I do not present as gospel.

Whoa, this is cool. I can't wait to see what I'll get for my Eschers!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Technically right.

There’s two!

You can tell because of the Knocker Plate.

Pretty much all goliath have these plates

Erm....I really don’t know what to say.

Along with female jawline and much thinner arm and waist.

Yes you can convince yourself that that's just a pretty boy goliath.

as seen here


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Chopstick wrote:
Along with female jawline and much thinner arm and waist.

Yes you can convince yourself that that's just a pretty boy goliath.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW made them deliberately ambiguous

They’re.......they’re not ambiguous.

At all.

Two body sculpts. One female. One male. I really am baffled you’re not seeing that?

I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.

I'm curious to see whether the Slave Ogryn Gang is going to get actual models or if its a "use existing 40k model" list, that they expect you to use IG ogryn minis... From a practical standpoint, I wonder how many Ogryn's you'll actually be bringing. 3?

They're definitely female.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.

Welcome to GW female sculpting 101.

With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.

JWBS wrote:
I honestly think there'll be no Juves per se as the current climate makes it probable that someone will complain about child soldiers. Serious.

Or GW is worried about them using a term left over from Judge Dredd and wanting something more distinct. Probably both.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm curious to see whether the Slave Ogryn Gang is going to get actual models or if its a "use existing 40k model" list, that they expect you to use IG ogryn minis... From a practical standpoint, I wonder how many Ogryn's you'll actually be bringing. 3?

I wouldn't be shocked to see it as a kit, like the Ambot.

Baxx wrote:
Rules bloat!

Heck yeah! Bloat away, I say! More toys for the sandbox. Every book they release makes the Necromunda world so much more interesting.

These are not champs and juves, they are new fighter classes.

But they can be, if you want.

Chopstick wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't know what kind of women you interact with, but there's nothing about these sculpts that define them as clearly female.

Welcome to GW female sculpting 101.

With experience maybe one day you'll also be able to spot a female fighter from Warcry The Unmade.

I've probably been collectioning GW minis for much much longer than you have


Is it me or is the stimmer a pretty bad sculpt?? Really don't like it