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 Haighus wrote:
Nice! Where is the shotgun from?

Barrel is from chaos cultist leader from dark vengence. Stock is an Ad Mech Radium Rifle.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Nice! Where is the shotgun from?

Barrel is from chaos cultist leader from dark vengence. Stock is an Ad Mech Radium Rifle.

Thanks. That explains why I couldn't place the weapon I was thinking there wasn't an Ad Mech shotgun...

This kind of freer rein for modelling characters is a big part of what excites me most about Necromunda being re-released.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Hm, what’s the problem with it? I don’t have any problems reading it, the background is light enough that it doesn’t impact readability.

A common rule in typography is that you don't use 'body' text over a 30% or more gray tonality, or a textured background- Necromunda does both. Poor contrast does affect the general population's readability, and there are numerous guidelines in various institutions (FDA and Post Office for example) to address this. I believe the US Dept. of Education recently laid out new ADA accommodations regarding visual layout as well (or they're preparing to).

Games Workshop even recognized it- look at the small text on the bottom of the page- the designer had to add a soft stroke or outer glow to make it more visible, and even then it's a poor job.

It's good that you don't have any perception issues- I find it pretty unpleasant to look at. My criticism is mostly because it was not necessary- it certainly doesn't help legibility.

I can read the Underhive rules, but it's annoying and gives me a headache if I read them for too long.

Suffice it to say, I'm not a fan of their graphic design in this particular case.

I've played the new game once when it came out and we used the two default gangs with the default gear. But, can't you make new gangs from the ground up? Like, can't you customize exactly what each person has? I thought that was a possibility.

 Davespil wrote:
I've played the new game once when it came out and we used the two default gangs with the default gear. But, can't you make new gangs from the ground up? Like, can't you customize exactly what each person has? I thought that was a possibility.

Sure. You can build the models with whatever is in the kits as long as you observe the constraints (e.g., 3 weapons max/model).
We built ours using the default gangs because, frankly, it made it easier.
Played about 3 demo game turns with 4 models each this Saturday and realized we very much need to read the books including Gang War a lot more.

On the Twitch channel last Thursday they had pages from gang war 2 - which included a lot of the rules for hired guns, scum and hangers on. I was only watching on my phone, bit I'm sure some enterprising chap could get the screenshots

The hired guns seem to be very flexible - and the sculpts we have already seen will each come with a predefined character you may or may not want to use.

Andy talked through some of the rules for the new tiles, they each have various hazards on them (some are just black because the lighting has failed)

Confirmed again that when the full trading post is implemented everyone will have access to basically every weapon under the sun

Talked about how the legacy weapons were intentionally weaker so they don't dominate - the example used was that when the Orlocks come the stubber will be Rapid 2 (thankfully)

The Orlocks were said to have very reliable guns, so seems likely that will figure in their rules.

They have the same connector to the head as the GS cult conversion set, so it's easy to use them with that. (House Mawlock, top pun)

Specifically mentioned the Brat gangs as something he put in the background because he wants them to get made at some point

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2621

Here pics and info.

Thanks for sharing, some good bits of info in there!

I especially like the idea of giving the Beastman all the guns and blades he's carrying, if you can go all the way, you should go all the way and let him carry your gang.

Bear in mind he's 235 credits as it is - add the rest of his gear and he'll be even pricer. It looks like you need to pay that full cost each game (not like the old game where you paid a fifth of a hired gun's rating each game).

Remember that the economy of the game is totally different now though. You aren't having to put your income through that table anymore.

Vorian wrote:
Remember that the economy of the game is totally different now though. You aren't having to put your income through that table anymore.

You're also not earning nearly as much raw credits though. Andy said people tended to get wealthy quickly during their playtesting, but tbh I'm not sure how given only the Boss and your Champions can work territories, and only if they're not in Recovery. Maybe if you keep all your "heroes" alive every game and roll really well on the dice, but by the time a normal average-luck player has enough in the bank that 200+ credits per-game isn't a big deal to them it'll be the tail end of a campaign and the need to "fill gaps" in your lineup with a tooled-up BH will be much reduced. That's my reading anyway, but hey maybe their playtest version is the "proper" version of the game we won't get access to until the end of next year and things play out differently when you have all the options available.

I've been too busy getting all my scenery cut up and stuck together to properly commit the campaign rules to memory to be honest, but don't you get turf size x10 credits + special territoriesthat are worked + gangers can carry out an action to get more income?

 Davespil wrote:
I've played the new game once when it came out and we used the two default gangs with the default gear. But, can't you make new gangs from the ground up? Like, can't you customize exactly what each person has? I thought that was a possibility.

That is not only a possibility but a requirement for a game called Necromunda. It is the core functionality.

Vorian wrote:
I've been too busy getting all my scenery cut up and stuck together to properly commit the campaign rules to memory to be honest, but don't you get turf size x10 credits + special territoriesthat are worked + gangers can carry out an action to get more income?

You do, but if you use your post-battle actions on getting additional(D6x10) credits you can't visit the trading post, sell captives, or escort injured gangers to the doc. Additionally, in all but a few cases having your own Gangers work special territories is monumentally daft considering the risk/reward - the Chem-Pit for example has a 50/50 chance of landing the Ganger with a Lasting Injury roll and you might get as little as 20 credits even if you succeed. Working specials is for captured enemies unless you're either *incredibly* desperate, or already so flush with creds that you can afford to buy "disposable" Gangers without gear.

So aye, I stand by my assessment - outside of spectacular luck, you're going to be well into the latter half of a campaign before anyone's making the sort of credits necessary to cover 200+ credits per-game on top of all their usual expenses.

Well, take a starter Escher gang : a leader, 2 champions, 2 juves and 9 gangers with a lasgun.

That's an average of 315 just if your gangers get sent out. Compare that to sub 100 hauls that even mature gangs used to get.

I'm not saying spending 200+ on a hired gun round after round is a sensible option - just like spending 35 credits on a bounty hunter round after round in the old game wasn't a great idea.

The increase in fee is just not as massive as it first appears because creds are easier to come by.

Either the hired gun fee is their value divided by 5 for 1 battle, or you pay the full price but they stay until they're OOA/injured

I'm more curious on which of these "hired character" will get a plastic release. BB have plastic Ogre and Troll, no way Necromunda wouldn't get some

Vorian wrote:
Well, take a starter Escher gang : a leader, 2 champions, 2 juves and 9 gangers with a lasgun.

That's an average of 315 just if your gangers get sent out. Compare that to sub 100 hauls that even mature gangs used to get.

I'm not saying spending 200+ on a hired gun round after round is a sensible option - just like spending 35 credits on a bounty hunter round after round in the old game wasn't a great idea.

The increase in fee is just not as massive as it first appears because creds are easier to come by.

If you're working your territories with your own gangers then half of them are going to end up injured and you're going to have to replace one every couple of games. And where are you getting 315 from out of interest?

Chopstick wrote:
Either the hired gun fee is their value divided by 5 for 1 battle, or you pay the full price but they stay until they're OOA/injured

I'm more curious on which of these "hired character" will get a plastic release. BB have plastic Ogre and Troll, no way Necromunda wouldn't get some

All Blood Bowl hired guns (Star Players) are resin from Forge world. A heavy in BB (Ogre, Troll) is more similar to a heavy in Necromunda, a permanent member.

Chopstick wrote:
Either the hired gun fee is their value divided by 5 for 1 battle, or you pay the full price but they stay until they're OOA/injured

Definitely not the former, and I don't know where you got that idea. Nothing in the Underhive box, Gang War or the previewed pages of Gang War 2 imply any such thing. Could be the latter, although again, the previews of GW2 don't seem to support that IMO.

One of the first special characters released for Blood Bowl was Morg 'n' Thorg. He costs 430! This is not money you're supposed to save to to spend in one big bonus for a single game. This is an underedog bonus, a giant helping hand in the face of a much stronger opponent.

Why can't Hired Guns be the same? Underdog bonuses was key in balance of old Necromunda.

Was that something added in the 5th edition LRB? I'm sure anyone can hire a Star Player if they have the readies available.

In Necromunda Underhive, the underdog bonus is the Tactics cards. Scum are there to provide cheap bullet-catchers if you need more fighters for a mission, while Bounty Hunters are there to fill skill gaps in your gang.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Well, take a starter Escher gang : a leader, 2 champions, 2 juves and 9 gangers with a lasgun.

That's an average of 315 just if your gangers get sent out. Compare that to sub 100 hauls that even mature gangs used to get.

I'm not saying spending 200+ on a hired gun round after round is a sensible option - just like spending 35 credits on a bounty hunter round after round in the old game wasn't a great idea.

The increase in fee is just not as massive as it first appears because creds are easier to come by.

If you're working your territories with your own gangers then half of them are going to end up injured and you're going to have to replace one every couple of games. And where are you getting 315 from out of interest?

Ah, I was getting myself confused - I thought gangers could be dispatched for 1D6 x 10, but it's only Leaders and Champions - so it doesn't escalate until later.

A 200+ recruitment is quite high then. Hive scum are 30 + weapon costs?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Was that something added in the 5th edition LRB? I'm sure anyone can hire a Star Player if they have the readies available.

In Necromunda Underhive, the underdog bonus is the Tactics cards. Scum are there to provide cheap bullet-catchers if you need more fighters for a mission, while Bounty Hunters are there to fill skill gaps in your gang.

Anyone can hire a star player in BB but they cost way more than anyone would spend if you're spending from the treasury. You get extra money that can only be spent on temporary bonuses based on howuch of an underdog you are - that's the money that pays for star players.

A similar mechanism would make the costs we've seen for hired guns make sense.

Has during the stream any mention been made of what skills the Orlock have access to? Like, shooting?

Not that I recall - nothing to contradict what's on the legacy gangs.

New Orlock Harpoon Launcher is listed under Heavy Weapons but does not have Unwieldy weapon trait? Another blooper?

 rockgod2304 wrote:
Have you seen the new Orlocks
im all over these

Ok, those look really cool. I kind of want to start a gang now.
Especially a space biker gang. At first I thought they diverged a bit from the biker aesthetic, but nope, upon closer inspection they are still bikers like the old guys.

Is there anything more definite about the Orlock date? I've only seen 'early 2018'

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is there anything more definite about the Orlock date? I've only seen 'early 2018'

I think the releases are planned for every three months.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is there anything more definite about the Orlock date? I've only seen 'early 2018'

It was said on the recent live stream that Orlocks and gang war 2 are coming in February.