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I cannot be reading this correctly. Did they take all the weapons away from the Autarchs?

That is crazy. They have had those since forever!

Someone tell me I'm wrong.

No model= No rules

Unless you are tyranid where "Model=Rules"

But hey, now you can snipe characters with that sweet 6" gun!

 ArmyC wrote:
I cannot be reading this correctly. Did they take all the weapons away from the Autarchs?

That is crazy. They have had those since forever!

Someone tell me I'm wrong.

basically, if it's not available on a model GW sells, it's no longer a game option.

 Vaktathi wrote:
basically, if it's not available on a model GW sells, it's no longer a game option.

The non-winged, non-bike Autarch doesn't have a model, and yet it's in the Codex.

Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
basically, if it's not available on a model GW sells, it's no longer a game option.

The non-winged, non-bike Autarch doesn't have a model, and yet it's in the Codex.

Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

they had it on the "last chance" sale a few days ago, if im not mistaken, part of the old models they pulled out for another run recently

 Cream Tea wrote:
Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

It's not as clear as that, but that's discussed in other threads.

Thank Chapter House for the current state of No Model, No Rules.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

It's not as clear as that, but that's discussed in other threads.

Thank Chapter House for the current state of No Model, No Rules.

Why?

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
basically, if it's not available on a model GW sells, it's no longer a game option.

The non-winged, non-bike Autarch doesn't have a model, and yet it's in the Codex.

Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

Yreil is technically an Autarch on foot that they still sell. Plus the winged Autarch can be assembled without wings. But I get what you are saying

And yes, This is just like Biker Librarians (no model, thus no Codex entry) and the Twin Autocannon Dreanought (Dread model exists, but has never included Autocannons, thus its Codex entry does not have the option). Both of these have been clearly FAQ'd to be legal options using the points from the Codex if applicable.
So the Autarch with Jump Generator would be more like the Biker Libbie
Any foot, winged or skyrunner Autarch with a Reaper Launcher would be like the twin Autocannon Dread.

The big question I have is about Banshee Masks. All Autarch variants had access in the Index, but none have it in the Codex.
Assuming the above is true, than you can still use a Banshee mask, but what version? Index or Codex?

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 ArmyC wrote:
I cannot be reading this correctly. Did they take all the weapons away from the Autarchs?

That is crazy. They have had those since forever!

Someone tell me I'm wrong.

Yep, GW in its wonderful hypocrisy, give gray knights the baby carrier captain, ya know no buy able model required just modify it, here is how. Then nerf the autarchs with a nerf anvil, because modification/bashing is for gray knights. Don't you get it? Ugh, it is like you expect consistency and logic or something. There is three decades of poor decisions. why would they change now?

Just enjoy the fact this was only one really bad/pointless nerfing of a customised model invalidated. It could have been a squatting.

My autarch on skyrunner "jet bike" with banshee mask and laser lance will be crying in the display case. Until 10th edition? hazz'ah.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:

The non-winged, non-bike Autarch doesn't have a model, and yet it's in the Codex.

Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

they had it on the "last chance" sale a few days ago, if im not mistaken, part of the old models they pulled out for another run recently

The codex Autarch has a Star glaive, there is no such Autarch model. They're basically expecting you to convert him out of Yriel.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

It's not as clear as that, but that's discussed in other threads.

I know it's not a clear-cut issue, but so far I haven't seen any argument made that you can't bring an index-only datasheet model like an Autarch with Warp Jump Generator. The controversy is over whether you could bring index-only wargear for a model that has a codex entry.

pm713 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

It's not as clear as that, but that's discussed in other threads.

Thank Chapter House for the current state of No Model, No Rules.

Why?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Chapter+House+Games+Workshop

TL;DR Chapter House made 3rd party models but used GW's Trademarked names. GW Sued, Court Case went to hell, GW responded by throwing it's toys out of the pram and started renaming stuff by addling vowels or latin and giving everything adjective nounverb names because COPYRIGHT!

Chapter house should have just backed down, changed the names and been smarter.
But nope, they had to take a stand and screw everyone.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Chapter house should have just backed down, changed the names and been smarter.
But nope, they had to take a stand and screw everyone.

To be fair though, GW really should make models to represent their rules in the first place.
The true shame here is that instead of making those models with all the possible options, they've chosen to drop any option they do not produce instead.

And here's GW's response.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Chapter house should have just backed down, changed the names and been smarter.
But nope, they had to take a stand and screw everyone.

Even if they did perform the action that caused GW's reaction, only GW is responsible for the way GW reacted.

 Galas wrote:
No model= No rules

Unless you are tyranid where "Model=Rules"

I find it pretty funny that if the rumor are correct, they went as far as to give the gribbly spore things in the gemestealer sprue rules.

Only thing I can think of is that they’re hoping people will pick up Yriel as a ‘generic’ Autarch, or as a very minor bone thrown to people who’ve modelled up... something. There’s an outside chance of a foot Autarch but the model wasn’t quite ready and we’ll see it in a few weeks, but I doubt it.

(Also, the ‘we can’t ask someone to make up a model’ after they trumpeted long and hard about the glories of knocking up your own Guard regiment is a bit off)

On the other hand, I now have a second use for that Dire Avenger exarch with the glaive, should I play someone sufficiently picky about things.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
Anyway, GW have said that you can still use Index entries that aren't in the codex.

It's not as clear as that, but that's discussed in other threads.

Thank Chapter House for the current state of No Model, No Rules.

Why?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Chapter+House+Games+Workshop

TL;DR Chapter House made 3rd party models but used GW's Trademarked names. GW Sued, Court Case went to hell, GW responded by throwing it's toys out of the pram and started renaming stuff by addling vowels or latin and giving everything adjective nounverb names because COPYRIGHT!

Sounds like GW's fault to me.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Galas wrote:
No model= No rules

Unless you are tyranid where "Model=Rules"

I find it pretty funny that if the rumor are correct, they went as far as to give the gribbly spore things in the gemestealer sprue rules.

Yes, Tyranids are the only ones that have gain instead of lose things about this new GW policy

 Galas wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Galas wrote:
No model= No rules

Unless you are tyranid where "Model=Rules"

I find it pretty funny that if the rumor are correct, they went as far as to give the gribbly spore things in the gemestealer sprue rules.

Yes, Tyranids are the only ones that have gain instead of lose things about this new GW policy

But they had rules for all of that junk in 4th. Then GW decided "that's dumb" and removed almost all of the options for 3 straight editions. Now they are coming back because "its already on the sprue!"

The justification by itself "that it requires new players to kitbash" is a horrid cop-out. Rather than make it simpler to mix-and-match components, have spare bitz (or even weapon-packs), GW said "nope, no options."

Ruin wrote:
And here's GW's response.

Yep, GW still doesn't get it. If I have to use house rules for a model then GW has failed at their job. But let's just keep pretending that 8th edition isn't a complete dumpster fire, and "new GW" is suddenly a great company...

 MagicJuggler wrote:
The justification by itself "that it requires new players to kitbash" is a horrid cop-out. Rather than make it simpler to mix-and-match components, have spare bitz (or even weapon-packs), GW said "nope, no options."

Yeah, despite all the good will they've built up with me, that singular line rubs me the wrong way. Anyone remember the following snippet from the 3.5 CSM codex?

8th edition, in my opinion, is awesome. I've played since 5th edition. No complaints from me. One thing that helps is that I have complete collections of the factions I play. Nerf my Warp Spiders? Cool, now I get to dust off my Shining Spears.

That said, I was sooooo hoping to equip my Autarch with a Reaper Launcher then take the sniper warlord trait.

Would that be considered greedy?

Yes actually, it would.

 ArmyC wrote:
8th edition, in my opinion, is awesome. I've played since 5th edition. No complaints from me. One thing that helps is that I have complete collections of the factions I play. Nerf my Warp Spiders? Cool, now I get to dust off my Shining Spears.

That said, I was sooooo hoping to equip my Autarch with a Reaper Launcher then take the sniper warlord trait.

Would that be considered greedy?

How dare you try to model for advantage! Greedy WAAC scum!

Or you can use the Index Profile; this is legal as "certain loadouts are no longer avaliable".

Check the FAQs.

The way that GW is handing this is asinine.

If you want to limit kits to options that are present in the kit, sure, kinda a jerk move, but sure.

If you don't. Yay, they've upheld the core tenement of conversion and customization.

But this bizarre streak of disallowing options in the codex, only to immediately follow up by allowing said options again in a strange little index workaround has left me utterly dumbfounded.

Am I the only one who thinks that 90% of these modeling concerns could be solved if GW just released weapon sprues like the Space Marines get?

TheBaconPope wrote:
The way that GW is handing this is asinine.

If you want to limit kits to options that are present in the kit, sure, kinda a jerk move, but sure.

If you don't. Yay, they've upheld the core tenement of conversion and customization.

But this bizarre streak of disallowing options in the codex, only to immediately follow up by allowing said options again in a strange little index workaround has left me utterly dumbfounded.

Am I the only one who thinks that 90% of these modeling concerns could be solved if GW just released weapon sprues like the Space Marines get?

A lot of issues could be solved if GW just issues upgrade packs that actually mattered, instead of Chapter upgrade packs (for chapters with EXISTING UNIQUE MODELS) that only 20% of marine players actually care about.