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ERJAK wrote:

Audustum wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
hehehehhe.

Found the thing in the Custodes codex that will need to be FAQed within 2 weeks...

Vexilla 5++, Ministorum Priest, Astropath, 9 bullgryns.

Yaaaaaay...

I’m not seeing it... Bullgryn deathstar with an invuln save? How does it work?

Basically the bullgryn end up with a 4++ invul save and quite a few attacks. However, they're still slow as balls and a 4++ isn't that big of a deal. And don't they already have a pretty good invul available to them? Yeah, basically it won't matter.


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Praetorian Plate: Goes to a Custodes model, select an Imperium character and at the end of the opponents charge phase you can teleport the custodian character teleport to the selected imperium unit within 3" and within 1" of an enemy.


Bodyguard relic, neat. I mean, it's interesting on an Assassin?

Celestine would be fun. Camp your megadeath custodes out of LoS, swap for Celestine and then Celestine has enough movement she can go wherever you need her the next turn.

Is it really a swap? Based on that description I read it more as the Custodes just appears next to them and joins the fight, which is STILL excellent for traps!

If it's not a swap, that's even crazier. Celestine would be hand delivering Custodes characters into combat the whole game. That would be hilarious! 'Surprise Mothaluvas, I got THHREEE golden backup dancers now!'

Right? Magic Mike joins the posse. I'm definitely hoping this is how it works.

From Wildweasel on Bolter and Chainsword:
LORE SHOW NOTES!

Lots of the lore already known being covered (singular fighters etc), will try to pick out new or interesting bits.

Codex written by Andy Clarke. Andy was scheduled for this but has the Nurgley plague that’s been going around.

Shield Companies with different schemes, full page each. Red & gold, Black & gold, gold & purple, white & gold pointed out, at least one or two more companies in there they didn’t mention the colors on.

Custodes uplift starts in infancy. Selected from children offered by Imperial dynasties on Terra.

Pre-Heresy they were Emperor’s companions and closest thing to friends, not just bodyguards or servants.

No Custodian known to have fallen to Chaos.

Distrustful of Astartes thanks to the Heresy.

Do not die of old age, but do eventually slow some with age (after centuries or millennia). Once they do, they retire from active military duty, turning their wargear over to their order, and go forth into the Imperium in secret, running the Custodes spy networks.

Valdor not recorded as dead…

Have a remit similar to the Inquistion’s, in that they derive their authority directly from the Emperor and can commander most Imperial elements.

No psykers – too dangerous/unpredictable. Very strong of soul, which explains their save versus psychic wounds.

“Created to kill Astartes” too reductionist – created to defeat all threats to the Emperor/Throne. Astartes have basically become a constant background worry.


Notes from the Rules section:

“How many bikes can you fit into a 2,000 point army?” Not many.

Already known stuff about the Custodian Guard.

Sentinel Storm (2CP) – At end of opponent Shooting Phase, choose unit within 1” of enemy and they shoot with their sentinel blades

Custodian Wardens – veteran unit, Axe S+3 AP-2 Dd3, no hit penalty. 4 Attacks on profile

Castellan Strike (1CP) – Select unit in Fight phase, if all axes in unit target the same enemy unit, axes become AP-3

Misaercordia – most models have or can take. Grants extra attack with swords. 4 points.

Covering known info on Ven Land Raiders and Contemptors.

Allarus Custodes – Spear or axe. Covering all the stuff from the preview. Can teleport natively (I think, may have misheard). Grenade launcher S4 AP something D1

Jetbikes – Covered everything we knew. No Vexilla option.

Shield Captain – buildable out of all the kits (biker Captain <3). Reroll hits of 1 aura.

Trajaan – nothing new

Vexilla options for Custodians, Wardens, Allarus.

Unflinching (?CP) – Improves overwatch

Victor of the Blood Games (?CP) – Choose an AC Character at setup, they get one reroll per turn

Shoulder the Mantle (?CP) – When Warlord is killed, choose another Shield-Captain and he becomes your Warlord (denying Slay the Warlord) with a Warlord Trait

7 relics.
Praetorian Plate relic – Given to an AC. Choose an Imperium Character. At end of opponent’s charge, AC can teleport to Imperium Character, within 3” of target and 1” of enemy.

Auric Aquillas – relic jetbike, 3++ and reroll charges

Auric Shackles relic – Reduce A of enemy Characters near them, additional d3 VP if they kill the Warlord

Two relic Vexillas – One is an orbital bombardment that only hits friendly AC on a 6, other “shoots lightning bolts” and is a melee weapon

Faith Absolute – third Vexilla relic, bearer can Deny the Witch

Oblitiratum – Assault S10 AP-1 Dd3 grenade launcher (Allarus only)

Warlord Traits:
Champion of the Imperium – Other units can make Heroic Interventions as though were Characters

Emperor’s Companium – Reroll damage dice (not to-wound, but the damage)

Radiant Mantle – Warlord is -1 to hit

Peerless Warrior – To-hits of 6 proc extra attack

Two traits not covered

Tactical Objectives:
Keep Them At Spears Length – VP for having no non-AC units friend or foew within 3”

Objective where you score a VP when you score another Tac Objective

Opponent chooses an objective, you score d3 points for holding it

Misericordia sounds overpriced on the combat units we've been seeing so far, but would be great on Sagittarum if they can take them later on. Effectively making them very strong devastator-terminator equivalents.

changemod wrote:
Misericordia sounds overpriced on the combat units we've been seeing so far, but would be great on Sagittarum if they can take them later on. Effectively making them very strong devastator-terminator equivalents.

They're also a great way to fill up 8 or 12 points leftover in a list.

Relic Bike makes me moist.

An Outrider of bikes sounds super appealing... but potentially a couple thousand points :(

Yeah. Need to know the points costs.

changemod wrote:
Misericordia sounds overpriced on the combat units we've been seeing so far, but would be great on Sagittarum if they can take them later on. Effectively making them very strong devastator-terminator equivalents.

Assuming the miserocordia attack is the same statline as the power knife from the index here's the balance. 52pts for a custodian with 3 attacks with a guardian spear, or 12 attacks (52÷4pts) spread out over the army at STR 5, ap-2, D1.

I'm having a hard time deciding that. One model for 12 attacks, survivability vs damage. Str 5 Ap-2 will cut through infantry fast and even most light vehicles given enough hits.

Also remember they said pretty much all units either come with or can purchase it, so it might be a great way to burn points you have spare.

We should find out how the misercodstickypokeything works in the game coming up, as all the units have it regardless of weapon.

I'm currently leaning towards soemthing like "When bearer fights, make an extra attack with this or a sentinel sword."

PS Hi I'm wildweasel from B&C, I'll dump my game notes over here too

Auric Aquillas+Radiant mantle would be a freakin scary combat character. Or you could go Praeetorian plate+radiant mantle and have Celestine combat drop an Allarus warlord into enemy lines.

I'm thinking a supreme command with 3 custodes characters with 2 relics and one of the standard vexillas would be pretty baller allied force for any non-codex imperial army that can afford to give the custodes warlord.

Alendrel wrote:
We should find out how the misercodstickypokeything works in the game coming up, as all the units have it regardless of weapon.

I'm currently leaning towards soemthing like "When bearer fights, make an extra attack with this or a sentinel sword."

PS Hi I'm wildweasel from B&C, I'll dump my game notes over here too

Well pay attention and report back por favor, I'm not going to watch the game proper, just wanted to see the fluff and crunch portions.

ERJAK wrote:
Auric Aquillas+Radiant mantle would be a freakin scary combat character. Or you could go Praeetorian plate+radiant mantle and have Celestine combat drop an Allarus warlord into enemy lines.

I'm thinking a supreme command with 3 custodes characters with 2 relics and one of the standard vexillas would be pretty baller allied force for any non-codex imperial army that can afford to give the custodes warlord.

A Character can only have one relic. (Unless they have made some change for the AC but I doubt it).

Alendrel wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Auric Aquillas+Radiant mantle would be a freakin scary combat character. Or you could go Praeetorian plate+radiant mantle and have Celestine combat drop an Allarus warlord into enemy lines.

I'm thinking a supreme command with 3 custodes characters with 2 relics and one of the standard vexillas would be pretty baller allied force for any non-codex imperial army that can afford to give the custodes warlord.

A Character can only have one relic. (Unless they have made some change for the AC but I doubt it).

Radiant Mantle is a Warlord Trait, luckily!

Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Dear lord, that relic jet bike, on a Shield Captain

Do they store these videos for later viewing? Twitch is being a slow pile of fething gak. I can only watch it at 160p, and everything is blurry.

Oddly enough I think I'm most curious about the Vexilus Praetor. The Vexilla Magnifica (-1 to be hit when within 6") seems like an auto take for anyone contemplating more than 2 units of infantry.

Right now I'm contemplating 3×3-5 man units of spears or axes surrounding a praetor. 2+/4++, 6+++ if I go with warders (which at minimum 1/3 units would be) forcing the enemy to hit at -1. It feels like this could get across the table while putting those damage 2 spears to good effect.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Do they store these videos for later viewing? Twitch is being a slow pile of fething gak. I can only watch it at 160p, and everything is blurry.

Yes but they are subscriber only.

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Yeah they kind of do, haha

 carabine wrote:
Oddly enough I think I'm most curious about the Vexilus Praetor. The Vexilla Magnifica (-1 to be hit when within 6") seems like an auto take for anyone contemplating more than 2 units of infantry.

Right now I'm contemplating 3×3-5 man units of spears or axes surrounding a praetor. 2+/4++, 6+++ if I go with warders (which at minimum 1/3 units would be) forcing the enemy to hit at -1. It feels like this could get across the table while putting those damage 2 spears to good effect.

The issue here wouldn't necessarily be surviving getting across the table, but the fact that once you got across the tablel you'd have to chase them back the other way, rinse and repeat.

ERJAK wrote:

 carabine wrote:
Oddly enough I think I'm most curious about the Vexilus Praetor. The Vexilla Magnifica (-1 to be hit when within 6") seems like an auto take for anyone contemplating more than 2 units of infantry.

Right now I'm contemplating 3×3-5 man units of spears or axes surrounding a praetor. 2+/4++, 6+++ if I go with warders (which at minimum 1/3 units would be) forcing the enemy to hit at -1. It feels like this could get across the table while putting those damage 2 spears to good effect.

The issue here wouldn't necessarily be surviving getting across the table, but the fact that once you got across the tablel you'd have to chase them back the other way, rinse and repeat.

Definitely makes the jetbikes close to mandatory. That relic Jetbikes and Radiant Mantle should do nicely for making a downright annoying to kill Captain. Too bad there isn't a Vexilla option for jetbikes. I would buy a kit just to make some characters!

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

Alendrel wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Do they store these videos for later viewing? Twitch is being a slow pile of fething gak. I can only watch it at 160p, and everything is blurry.

Yes but they are subscriber only.

If your an amazon prime member you get to subscribe to one free twitch channel a month so if you have access to that its something to think about

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

Yeah, it seems all the AC firepower is in the FW units. Saggitarum, the Bikes, the FW Terminators, etc...

So watching this stream, T1 is almost over for both players and I think we can conclude:

Landraiders is as pointless as expected.

Mass Tzaangors fire is doing more damage than Magnus + Ahriman psychic phase.

 Galas wrote:

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

Yeah, it seems all the AC firepower is in the FW units. Saggitarum, the Bikes, the FW Terminators, etc...

Basically. This is a codex of similarly equipped assault units with a narrow range of gimmicks at the moment.

I'll be perfectly happy when I get my dreads and a few ranged options through, but honestly I'm mostly eyeing the jetbikes to convert to Agamatus, the Warders to use as Hetareon and the terminators for their looks... I seem to be the only person I've seen so far to like both types of custodian terminator model.


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Audustum wrote:
So watching this stream, T1 is almost over for both players and I think we can conclude:

Landraiders is as pointless as expected.

Mass Tzaangors fire is doing more damage than Magnus + Ahriman psychic phase.

To be fair, as much as I've been one of the voices speaking against the land raider, there's not a lot of good targets for it's quad las. Quad las and moving troops are both good, it's just too much to pay for that in an army already hurting for model count.

changemod wrote:
Basically. This is a codex of similarly equipped assault units with a narrow range of gimmicks at the moment.

I'll be perfectly happy when I get my dreads and a few ranged options through, but honestly I'm mostly eyeing the jetbikes to convert to Agamatus, the Warders to use as Hetareon and the terminators for their looks... I seem to be the only person I've seen so far to like both types of custodian terminator model.

To be fair, as much as I've been one of the voices speaking against the land raider, there's not a lot of good targets for it's quad las. Quad las and moving troops are both good, it's just too much to pay for that in an army already hurting for model count.

I agree that the list will only feel complete when the FW stuff gets 40k rules.

As it happens, I've got a 3/4 finished massively-elaborate land raider conversion that I started years ago. It would fit well as a custodes one, as my marines certainly have no use for it. So I might give it a go for a game or two just to see if it's as bad as it looks.

Personally I don't like the plastic AC termies as much as either the normal ACs or the FW termies. It might be possible to build them in poses that look cooler than the way GW has built them.

changemod wrote:

 Galas wrote:

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

Yeah, it seems all the AC firepower is in the FW units. Saggitarum, the Bikes, the FW Terminators, etc...

Basically. This is a codex of similarly equipped assault units with a narrow range of gimmicks at the moment.

I'll be perfectly happy when I get my dreads and a few ranged options through, but honestly I'm mostly eyeing the jetbikes to convert to Agamatus, the Warders to use as Hetareon and the terminators for their looks... I seem to be the only person I've seen so far to like both types of custodian terminator model.


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Audustum wrote:
So watching this stream, T1 is almost over for both players and I think we can conclude:

Landraiders is as pointless as expected.

Mass Tzaangors fire is doing more damage than Magnus + Ahriman psychic phase.

To be fair, as much as I've been one of the voices speaking against the land raider, there's not a lot of good targets for it's quad las. Quad las and moving troops are both good, it's just too much to pay for that in an army already hurting for model count.

I mean, Magnus and the Vortex beast come to mind, but I meant more it getting immediately tied up. Custodes can't bubble-wrap so you never will get to really use it.

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

There's no guarantee that those unit will perform any differently than any of the rest of the custodes stuff. they're going from 7th rules to 8th rules, they're going to be totally new units at the end.

ERJAK wrote:

changemod wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
Derp. They all sound like the same things!

Speaking of which, the army in general seems a bit too samey compared to the FW Custodes. Warders are just slightly more elite custodian guard, alarus add deep strike and their wrist launcher, but are still 2+/4++ spearmen... And as the bikes are less shooty than the FW variants they fall back on their melee as their defining trait.

They need the promised FW document for fractionally more troop distinction and a lot more dread and vehicle definition ASAP.

There's no guarantee that those unit will perform any differently than any of the rest of the custodes stuff. they're going from 7th rules to 8th rules, they're going to be totally new units at the end.

7th to 8th is mostly predictable. The main outliers are things like heliothermic detonation.