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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
2+ invul for a Bike character? Dayum Boi!

Max you can get is a 3+, it says on all the things that increase the Saves.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
2+ invul for a Bike character? Dayum Boi!

Invuls cannot be better than 3+, Ever. That's a core rule.

 Dulahan wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
2+ invul for a Bike character? Dayum Boi!

Invuls cannot be better than 3+, Ever. That's a core rule.

Actually, it's not. GK's still have (expensive) ways to get a 2++.

But Custodes don't have one.

Audustum wrote:

 Dulahan wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
2+ invul for a Bike character? Dayum Boi!

Invuls cannot be better than 3+, Ever. That's a core rule.

Actually, it's not. GK's still have (expensive) ways to get a 2++.

But Custodes don't have one.

I would expect that to be a fix in CA. 2++ should not exist/be retired.

Ah, okay. I only saw the +1 to Invul, and the 3+ invul relic. I know most other invul Stacks are maxes at 3+.

Did GW mention anywhere that the March "Big FAQ 1" they had planned would include points adjustments? I would expect that would be a yearly Chapter Approved thing only.

Given the point values we've seen so far though, I would say only Valoris and the Allarus Custodians and Allarus Vexilus Praetor would need a points decrease. Maybe make Valoris 240 pts like Cawl, Abaddon, and Draigo and each Allarus 5-10 pts cheaper per model. The rest of it seems alright outside of the VLR but then again, Land Raiders have always been way overpriced.

Mr. Funktastic wrote:
Did GW mention anywhere that the March "Big FAQ 1" they had planned would include points adjustments? I would expect that would be a yearly Chapter Approved thing only.

Given the point values we've seen so far though, I would say only Valoris and the Allarus Custodians and Allarus Vexilus Praetor would need a points decrease. Maybe make Valoris 240 pts like Cawl, Abaddon, and Draigo and each Allarus 5-10 pts cheaper per model. The rest of it seems alright outside of the VLR but then again, Land Raiders have always been way overpriced.

From the article:

We’ll also use these to address balance issues in the game, so these might include a few changes to rules for overly powerful, or underrepresented units.

The way I read it it sounds like it's just rules although I suppose readjusting points would fall under balance issues. We'll see.

I think both spears and storm shields (on generics, not characters) need reductions. There's no reason to take a spear over an axe when possible and storm shields are overpaying for their bonus from what I can tell.

I prefer spears on most things. They are slightly cheaper, and good against marines' armor.

Definitely axes on characters though.

So the spear and the axe are actually the same against marines. .93 damage per attack on average. If you're fighting tons of vanilla power armor, might be worth it to save the, what, 2 points per model? Otherwise axe is usually better.

The spear is marginally better against terminators (.03 average over an axe). The axe does better as toughness grows (and the spear stops helping even against 2+'s once the toughness reaches a certain point).

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 carabine wrote:
Where are we getting the march date for points adjustment?

This:

FAQ's quickly releases after codex doesn't change points. MAYBE big faq does that but that would assume GW has noticed point issues on their internal playtesting after putting codex on print. Unlikely.

For those that have the codex I have two quick questions:

Do squads have any kind of "squad leader" or sergeant?

Does a Shield Captain on Jetbike have any options other than the power knife and choosing between the hurricane bolter and Slavo launcher?

 cuda1179 wrote:
For those that have the codex I have two quick questions:

Do squads have any kind of "squad leader" or sergeant?

Does a Shield Captain on Jetbike have any options other than the power knife and choosing between the hurricane bolter and Slavo launcher?

No to both questions.

Well, that makes me sad. Having a sergeant would have been nice for that extra attack. I guess you can fake it by having just one guy per squad take the power knife. This also puts a damper on my idea to have an axe wielding biker.

NZ preorders are up.

The Warden kit has been chopped up for the sprue very nicely. I was expecting to have to do major putty work to these guys after truescaling them(my truescale Marines are Primaris based, which of course means these guys have to be taller still), but the robes are part of the torso halves rather than molded directly on to the legs. That'll also make it easier to convert them using the existing Custodes legs for some variety in pose if you're building a lot of them, since it'll be a matter of trimming & resculpting the existing robe to fit rather than having to sculpt one entirely from scratch.

The Vertus Praetors grow more appealing to my eye every time I see them, and a couple of minutes of crude work in MSPaint to see what they look like without the canards(spoliered for size) cements my decision to buy a couple of boxes - I suspect that my squad's jetbike incarnation will be the one I use most. Now I just have to figure out how to model some appropriate magnetisable Las-pulsers and they can do double-duty in the HH as well.



Overall, if GW keep putting out models like this, having to ignore all the Primarchpalooza timeline advancing nonsense might actually be worth it.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Well, that makes me sad. Having a sergeant would have been nice for that extra attack. I guess you can fake it by having just one guy per squad take the power knife. This also puts a damper on my idea to have an axe wielding biker.

A “squad leader” would not be very fluffy. Actually, it would have been more fluffy if the custodes had no multi figure units. They know how to work together but they are all individuals. It makes sense not to have a relatively low level leader and I’d also say they don’t really need an extra attack.

 Yodhrin wrote:
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Overall, if GW keep putting out models like this, having to ignore all the Primarchpalooza timeline advancing nonsense might actually be worth it.

See, you make these snide remarks, but the GW that's given us Ad Mech, Harlequins, Ad Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Genstealer Cults, and now 2 flavours of Imperial Knights - all in plastic - is the same GW that realized that the 40k setting had become boring as gak and had the courage to radically alter the plot landscape. Including bringing back Guiliman and the demonic Primarchs and restoring some sense of real narrative and dynamism and excitement to the setting.

40k has never been better than it is now, and curmudgeonly cynics like yourself should really try to appreciate that for a change.

No, you see? He needs to remark that even if he keeps buying like the rest of us, hes superior because he does it being aware that REALLY all of the nuGW sucks.
Is like Tneva82 and FW, in their minds I assume they think they are giving money to a imaginary version of GW that isn't the same company that is doing all those things they critique.

Is the way they have to solve that mental dissasociation between what they say and what they buy.
And I'll add that I have 0 problems with people buying things to GW and using them for whatever they want, even if they really dislike GW. Is the condescending remarks that they write non stop, everywhere ,that indirectly, paint the rest of us as less aware about the true situation of Nu-GW.
And of course this is a discussion forum, you are free to critique GW. And I'm free to debate your critizism.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
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Overall, if GW keep putting out models like this, having to ignore all the Primarchpalooza timeline advancing nonsense might actually be worth it.

See, you make these snide remarks, but the GW that's given us Ad Mech, Harlequins, Ad Custodes, Sisters of Silence, Genstealer Cults, and now 2 flavours of Imperial Knights - all in plastic - is the same GW that realized that the 40k setting had become boring as gak and had the courage to radically alter the plot landscape. Including bringing back Guiliman and the demonic Primarchs and restoring some sense of real narrative and dynamism and excitement to the setting.

40k has never been better than it is now, and curmudgeonly cynics like yourself should really try to appreciate that for a change.

Or, respectfully, you could jog right on and stop telling other people what they're allowed to like or dislike.

I mean, were I to take your attitude, I might make the argument that people who weren't able to grasp the idea of an apocalyptic setting that expanded in breadth and depth rather than in time in order to provide the best platform for creative hobbyists to tell their own stories shouldn't have been playing 40K and moaning about GW not spoonfeeding them the one specific kind of narrative such settings are intentionally not set up to provide in the first place. But evidently GW has decided catering to your favoured style is easier for them, so how about you be satisfied with that rather than additionally demanding everyone else also agree with you.

EDIT: And Galas, you can, once again respectfully, pack away that dime-store psychoanalysis of yours in a dark, sun-lacking place as well.

The fun thing, Yodhrin, is that I actually agree with your vision of the Warhammer 40k setting and I too disagree with the new course the narrative has taken. But I don't repeat it in literally ALL of my posts, even when it doesn't make any kind of sense or contributes anything to the discussion.

But you are right. This is entering rule 1# territory and 2#. I apologize. I have jump onto you when this is more of a general discomfort with a group of posters that are very prone to hyperbole, exageration and to spurt out their opinions and then defend themselves from any kind of reply with the "Thats my opinion you white knight!" mantra.
I'll drop this conversation.

See that's the thing, you guys are choosing to read that remark as a mitigation, or an attack, or a complaint. It can equally be read - and was intended - to emphasise a positive sentiment about the models.

If you go to a restaurant with someone and they respond to a dish by saying "I don't normally like [ingredient in dish], but that was excellent", do you have a go at them for mentioning a dislike that you already knew they had, or take it as intended as a more emphatic complement?

Some folk are so keen to jump on people for "being too negative" that you don't even consider alternatives.

I think one can support and both not support a time line expansion at the same thing. the universe was growing a bit stale and something certainly needed to happen. but at the same time, I hope GW continues colouring in all the little nooks and crannies. and I really hope the time line doesn't expand too fast. Battletech got to a point where the timeline advanced so fast I simply could not reckongize the setting any longer

So how about those new Custodes this thread is supposed to be about.

They are amazing. I just got my Trajann and the codex.


I'm super excited to get my hands on the wardens and jet bikes next!

My wallets about $1000AUD lighter now with new releases, pre-orders and Forge World. I expect another $300-$400 next week

my only problem with the custodes right now is there is no way I can take everything in the range in a 2000 point list

BrianDavion wrote:
my only problem with the custodes right now is there is no way I can take everything in the range in a 2000 point list

I feel your pain. When FW finally puts out their 8th edition rules I will have well over 5000 points in Custodes. I can only hope that one day I will be able to field all of them at one time in a megabattle.

Important consideration- do I use the plastic Trajann model as Trajann and use the Ixion Hale model as just a Shield Captain, or vice versa?

If you all ready have Trajann, use him as Trajann. If you don't have him yet, and have Ixion Hale, then don't buy Trajann and use Hale as Trajann.

I have Hale, and he will be my Trajann, at least until FW makes Hale rules for 40k.