The Last Jedi poll

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**Kilkrazy**

Practically all of it.

For instance, the opening battle in which a single starfighter attacks a dreadnaught, to prepare a bombing attack which seems to go badly wrong, then seems to succeed, then suddenly turns into complete disaster, only to be saved by a last second do and die kick from a trapped bomb aimer, resulting in a mighty victory which turns to the ashes of defeat, only to become a relentless, slow, grinding tail chase during which numerous other dramatic occurrences take place on other planets, and so on.

Then the mini-story in which Rey is conned into surrendering herself to the Imperial command ship, only to be betrayed by Emo Jedi, only to be used cunningly as a stalking horse to betray Snoke, and then thinks Emo Jedi has become a good guy but he hasn't.

Loads of it makes no sense at all in objective view, but it carried me and my family along very well.

**Mr Morden**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Practically all of it.

For instance, the opening battle in which a single starfighter attacks a dreadnaught, to prepare a bombing attack which seems to go badly wrong, then seems to succeed, then suddenly turns into complete disaster, only to be saved by a last second do and die kick from a trapped bomb aimer, resulting in a mighty victory which turns to the ashes of defeat, only to become a relentless, slow, grinding tail chase during which numerous other dramatic occurrences take place on other planets, and so on.

Then the mini-story in which Rey is conned into surrendering herself to the Imperial command ship, only to be betrayed by Emo Jedi, only to be used cunningly as a stalking horse to betray Snoke, and then thinks Emo Jedi has become a good guy but he hasn't.

Loads of it makes no sense at all in objective view, but it carried me and my family along very well.

Ah ok fair enough.

I liked the first sequence and the Rey / Kylo story

it wsa the daft seemingly endless chase and trip to the Casino world that threw off the tension for us (6 of us said the same raging in age from teens to mid forties) - cut those pointless and frankly tedious sequences and it woulld have been an average action flick.

**pgmason**

I loved every minute of it. Probably my favourite SW film apart from New Hope and Rogue One.

**bbb**

Ugh. The more I think about it the more annoyed about it I get. I really have no idea where they're going with this, but I wonder if Solo ends up being a trainwreck (which I can't imagine it being anything else) if they'll try to please more people. I can't say that I think they have a specific direction for this trilogy since the tone of TFA and TLJ are so different and characters seem to behave totally differently.

**Crazy_Carnifex**

bbb wrote:
Ugh. The more I think about it the more annoyed about it I get. I really have no idea where they're going with this, but I wonder if Solo ends up being a trainwreck (which I can't imagine it being anything else) if they'll try to please more people. I can't say that I think they have a specific direction for this trilogy since the tone of TFA and TLJ are so different and characters seem to behave totally differently.

Finn is pretty constant. He just wants to get laid.

**Voss**

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
bbb wrote:
Ugh. The more I think about it the more annoyed about it I get. I really have no idea where they're going with this, but I wonder if Solo ends up being a trainwreck (which I can't imagine it being anything else) if they'll try to please more people. I can't say that I think they have a specific direction for this trilogy since the tone of TFA and TLJ are so different and characters seem to behave totally differently.

Finn is pretty constant. He just wants to get laid.

Eh. He mostly just wants to run. Denied that option, he opts for suicide. Denied that option... I guess he'll wait to see what Poe, Rey or Rose tell him to do next.

**bbb**

It's nice that we have strong women in this series, but do the guys have to be so terrible? Finn: coward, Poe: impulsive/mutinous/terrible judgement, Kylo: petulant, Snoke: powerblind, Hux: a boob, Luke: sad sack failure, Chewbacca, wuss who can' bring himself to eat cute birds, Ackbar: loser who can't save himself by using the Force after getting blown into space, Benicio del Toro: looks out only for himself.

**Breotan**

bbb wrote:
It's nice that we have strong women in this series, but do the guys have to be so terrible?

Look at the background of the woman who's in charge of Lucasfilm and you'll have your answer.

**Mr Morden**

bbb wrote:
It's nice that we have strong women in this series, but do the guys have to be so terrible? Finn: coward, Poe: impulsive/mutinous/terrible judgement, Kylo: petulant, Snoke: powerblind, Hux: a boob, Luke: sad sack failure, Chewbacca, wuss who can' bring himself to eat cute birds, Ackbar: loser who can't save himself by using the Force after getting blown into space, Benicio del Toro: looks out only for himself.

Fyn is basically a nice guy? Phamsa is a joke?

**Manchu**

TBF, Finn is portrayed as having overcome his fear in TFA. His problem in TLJ is not cowardice; it's (forced) stupidity. Rose Tico exists to undermine him at every turn.

Finn: I will go save my friend Rey.
Rose: No idiot, I can see you're just trying to escape.

Finn: What a cool planet.
Rose: No idiot, this is all exploitation. Occupy Wall Street!

Finn: I will sacrifice my life for my friends.
Rose: No idiot, I will crash into you, risking both our lives, because love or whatever.

I feel really bad for Finn/John Boyega.

Admiral Whoever serves the same role for Poe Dameron.

**Kap'n Krump**

You know, that poll seems to reflect what I was thinking: The newer star war movies are probably better if you completely forget about the original 3, which probably is why younger people like it but older ones don't.

I mean.......they're decent movies, but the fact that they are more or less plagiarizing the original 3 is my biggest issue by far. TFA was almost a shoot-for-shoot remake of a new hope, and TFA isn't quite as bad, but is still very similar to empire strikes back in a LOT of ways. And if the next one has anything to do with an 'unfinished super weapon', I'm going to not watch it.

Hell, despite all their flaws, the prequel trilogy at least had an original story to tell, and this generation's trilogy doesn't.

And perhaps younger people have less familiarity with the originals, and consequently like the new ones better.

**trexmeyer**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
You know, that poll seems to reflect what I was thinking: The newer star war movies are probably better if you completely forget about the original 3, which probably is why younger people like it but older ones don't.

Right now 45 and younger is 106 like to 92 dislike which is hardly a significant margin of difference. There's no evidence in this poll to suggest age has any bearing on whether or not you'll like the film.

**Crazy_Carnifex**

trexmeyer wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
You know, that poll seems to reflect what I was thinking: The newer star war movies are probably better if you completely forget about the original 3, which probably is why younger people like it but older ones don't.

Right now 45 and younger is 106 like to 92 dislike which is hardly a significant margin of difference. There's no evidence in this poll to suggest age has any bearing on whether or not you'll like the film.

I think that it would be interesting to see a poll by "Hardcoreness" of Star Wars fandom, and see how that varies, but I don't think that we need a 3rd thread on this movie.

**trexmeyer**

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
You know, that poll seems to reflect what I was thinking: The newer star war movies are probably better if you completely forget about the original 3, which probably is why younger people like it but older ones don't.

Right now 45 and younger is 106 like to 92 dislike which is hardly a significant margin of difference. There's no evidence in this poll to suggest age has any bearing on whether or not you'll like the film.

I think that it would be interesting to see a poll by "Hardcoreness" of Star Wars fandom, and see how that varies, but I don't think that we need a 3rd thread on this movie.

Any poll that requires that sort of, ugh. What's the word? Self description? Self choice? I think people will know what I mean. If it requires you to claim a certain level it will be inherently flawed. I think you can only accurately assess age now without offending someone.

**gorgon**

I'm in the over 45 and liked it quite a bit. Partially because I genuinely remember ROTJ and what a bad SW film looks like.

**bbb**

trexmeyer wrote:
Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:
You know, that poll seems to reflect what I was thinking: The newer star war movies are probably better if you completely forget about the original 3, which probably is why younger people like it but older ones don't.

Right now 45 and younger is 106 like to 92 dislike which is hardly a significant margin of difference. There's no evidence in this poll to suggest age has any bearing on whether or not you'll like the film.

I think that it would be interesting to see a poll by "Hardcoreness" of Star Wars fandom, and see how that varies, but I don't think that we need a 3rd thread on this movie.

Any poll that requires that sort of, ugh. What's the word? Self description? Self choice? I think people will know what I mean. If it requires you to claim a certain level it will be inherently flawed. I think you can only accurately assess age now without offending someone.

Part of the reason I wanted to see what Dakka thought was because as war gamers we are a more self-selecting group. We are the people who loved SW when there were only 3 movies and the visuals inspired us to want to do stuff like that in the real world...on a tabletop.

**chromedog**

When there was only ONE movie (1978, it was still playing in cinemas), I actually preferred Battlestar Galactica.

When there were two, BG had also birthed "1980" so SW pushed into the lead.

When it was 3, the ewoks pushed it back a tad into a closer race.

When it was 4, the chimp in the robot dog suit was nudging the lead.

Let the past die.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

I liked it, but didn’t love it.

In the past, I consumed as much Star Wars beyond the films as I possibly could. Comics, books, toys, fanfic... Oh, and many games.

I dunno, I have just moved on past rabid fandom. I don’t really care all that much. I went in expecting to see an entertaining film and I was not disappointed. Could it have been better? Sure, that goes for just about anything in life. But it wasn’t. It is what it is, and until Star Wars gets the Spider Man treatment, it will only ever be what it is, and not what we want it to be.

**Manchu**

The Spider Man treatment?

**Just Tony**

Manchu wrote:
The Spider Man treatment?

Relaunched in a way that people who disliked earlier iterations think that EVERYONE wanted it. I personally loved the Garfield Spidey movies, with the exception of Electro. Harry was annoying but not terrible. Electro was absolute gak. Garfield had the entirety of Peter Parker and Spider-Man nailed. Tom Holland is close, but just not good enough. Garfield was basically ripped straight from the comic pages.

Personal rant over, reiterating point: Spider-Man Treatment = reboot.

**insaniak**

Kap'n Krump wrote:

Hell, despite all their flaws, the prequel trilogy at least had an original story to tell, and this generation's trilogy doesn't.

Yeah, the PTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe was a really nice change of pace from the OTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe...

**Manchu**

Yeah, TFA and TLJ are ok and mediocre respectively. The PT was a perfect storm of garbage.

**Kap'n Krump**

insaniak wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:

Hell, despite all their flaws, the prequel trilogy at least had an original story to tell, and this generation's trilogy doesn't.

Yeah, the PTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe was a really nice change of pace from the OTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe...

While this trilogy's about the story of a young girl from not-tantooine trying to find her place in the universe.

**Voss**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Kap'n Krump wrote:

Hell, despite all their flaws, the prequel trilogy at least had an original story to tell, and this generation's trilogy doesn't.

Yeah, the PTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe was a really nice change of pace from the OTs story of a young boy from Tatooine trying to find his place in the universe...

While this trilogy's about the story of a young girl from not-tantooine trying to find her place in the universe.

How so? She literally gets carried off by events in TFA, then in this one eventually settles on her role as redeemer of all things musclely and emo. When that fails, she gets the Lightside Hero tag. We're told explicitly by the director's mouthpieces that her place in the universe doesn't matter.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Its a "Saw it, but feel conflicted about it" for me.

**bbb**

So with over 250 responses to the poll so far we have 50% liked it, 13% are conflicted, and 37% did not like it.

This somewhat matches up to what Rotten Tomatoes shows, but I was confused why IMDB shows it with a 7.6 out of 10. IMDB gives a nice breakdown about how all the user votes fall so I was able to compare it against the other Star Wars movies. Doing that it ends up being one of the worst rated Star Wars movies by users on the site.

Given how polarizing this movie's been so far after I saw it I felt like this was a more appropriate poster for the film.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

bbb wrote:
Given how polarizing this movie's been so far after I saw it I felt like this was a more appropriate poster for the film.

I can see both versions of that picture (young lady and old lady).

Just as I can see both POV on this film.

**bbb**

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars7.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars8.htm

As far as the box office goes, globally so far after about a month after being released TLJ as made about $800 million less than TFA. While, yes, that's still wildly profitable, the drop from one movie to the next is quite sharp. Did TFA benefit from years of pent up SW anticipation? Probably, but it seems like TLJ squandered an opportunity to keep that train rolling. While there are tons of people in both the love and hate camps, it seems like people have voted with their wallets in a noticeable way. TFA kept raking in money for months after release, but TLJ has slowed in comparison, so I don't expect the numbers to rise too much more.

That's a breakdown of the countries with a $10 million or more different so far in box office take. Sure there's more time for it to make money, but the rate of ticket sales is slowing rapidly.

**ChargerIIC**

bbb wrote:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars7.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars8.htm

As far as the box office goes, globally so far after about a month after being released TLJ as made about $800 million less than TFA. While, yes, that's still wildly profitable, the drop from one movie to the next is quite sharp. Did TFA benefit from years of pent up SW anticipation? Probably, but it seems like TLJ squandered an opportunity to keep that train rolling. While there are tons of people in both the love and hate camps, it seems like people have voted with their wallets in a noticeable way. TFA kept raking in money for months after release, but TLJ has slowed in comparison, so I don't expect the numbers to rise too much more.

That's a breakdown of the countries with a $10 million or more different so far in box office take. Sure there's more time for it to make money, but the rate of ticket sales is slowing rapidly.

Before we get too excited about the figures, bear in mind that TFA figures account for reruns, including those theaters that showed TFA right before the midnight release of TLJ. It's not an equal comparison.

**bbb**

It doesn't look like they do.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=starwars7.htm

As of the week of Jun 2nd TFA had made $936,662,225 in the USA which matches what they report as its total domestic gross on the main page.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=starwars7.htm