Switch Theme:

The Last Jedi poll  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Poll
Did you like The Last Jedi?
Yes (under 25 years old)
Yes (25-45 years old)
Yes (over 45 years old)
No (under 25 years old)
No (25-45 years old)
No (over 45 years old)
Saw it, but feel conflicted about it.

View results
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'd be interested to find out whether the whole "Star Wars is dead to me!" crowd were into the EU at all and if so which parts, or just OT fans.

I suspect there might be a strong correlation between the more...visceral dislike of TLJ, and people who didn't like the EU or who only liked the EU novels that essentially retold the OT story with a few first names changed around.

I quite enjoyed it, despite a few flaws here & there, but then I've spent the 25 years since I first saw ANH reading books and comics, and playing games, that cast the light/dark conflict and the importance of balance etc in a similar way to TLJ and which have made Star Wars bigger for me than just the OT and the Skywalkers.

And lets be honest, they couldn't make a new "main saga" without trampling all over the story of the OT, because the story of the OT was *finished*. The goodies won, the baddies were vanquished or redeemed, The End. And that's borne out by a lot of the EU stuff that did try and carry on directly from the OT, which pretty much told the same tale over and over again because they were too afraid to "diminish" the victory of the Alliance and Luke.


I read a lot of the EU, but didn't really love most of it. I liked the Thrawn trilogy and the Vision duology, the Han Solo and Lando Calrissian trilogies, many of the short stories, and generally preferred the stuff that didn't stick to the main characters or retell the OT with a new Darkside user. There was a lot of crap and even more repetitive filler that wasn't even bad enough to be memorable. Far too many of the stories just didn't feel like Star Wars, including some of the highly regarded X-Wing novels. I was already done reading Star Wars for a while when the NJO came out; it sounded like a concept that might refresh the Star Wars setting, so I checked it out enough to be terribly disappointed. I happen to think Disney made the right call dumping the EU, but they could do worse than sift the wreckage for diamonds. In fact, they are doing worse.

The EU didn't really kill my love for Star Wars. It was fan fiction, and my personal Star Wars canon never included anything but the highlights. It was the prequels that made me realize Star Wars is dead, like Latin is a dead language. The prequels can be Star Wars French, and TLJ is SW emojis, living languages that in no way affect the original.

But then, I don't dislike TLJ. I just agree with all the criticisms and that it isn't real Star Wars. It's like a less well written Orville for the OT.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Yodhrin wrote:
I'd be interested to find out whether the whole "Star Wars is dead to me!" crowd were into the EU at all and if so which parts, or just OT fans.

I suspect there might be a strong correlation between the more...visceral dislike of TLJ, and people who didn't like the EU or who only liked the EU novels that essentially retold the OT story with a few first names changed around.

I quite enjoyed it, despite a few flaws here & there, but then I've spent the 25 years since I first saw ANH reading books and comics, and playing games, that cast the light/dark conflict and the importance of balance etc in a similar way to TLJ and which have made Star Wars bigger for me than just the OT and the Skywalkers.

And lets be honest, they couldn't make a new "main saga" without trampling all over the story of the OT, because the story of the OT was *finished*. The goodies won, the baddies were vanquished or redeemed, The End. And that's borne out by a lot of the EU stuff that did try and carry on directly from the OT, which pretty much told the same tale over and over again because they were too afraid to "diminish" the victory of the Alliance and Luke.


I read a lot of the EU, but didn't really love most of it. I liked the Thrawn trilogy and the Vision duology, the Han Solo and Lando Calrissian trilogies, many of the short stories, and generally preferred the stuff that didn't stick to the main characters or retell the OT with a new Darkside user. There was a lot of crap and even more repetitive filler that wasn't even bad enough to be memorable. Far too many of the stories just didn't feel like Star Wars, including some of the highly regarded X-Wing novels. I was already done reading Star Wars for a while when the NJO came out; it sounded like a concept that might refresh the Star Wars setting, so I checked it out enough to be terribly disappointed. I happen to think Disney made the right call dumping the EU, but they could do worse than sift the wreckage for diamonds. In fact, they are doing worse.

The EU didn't really kill my love for Star Wars. It was fan fiction, and my personal Star Wars canon never included anything but the highlights. It was the prequels that made me realize Star Wars is dead, like Latin is a dead language. The prequels can be Star Wars French, and TLJ is SW emojis, living languages that in no way affect the original.

But then, I don't dislike TLJ. I just agree with all the criticisms and that it isn't real Star Wars. It's like a less well written Orville for the OT.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/23 06:11:46


   
Made in us
Terrifying Doombull




 Yodhrin wrote:

And lets be honest, they couldn't make a new "main saga" without trampling all over the story of the OT, because the story of the OT was *finished*. The goodies won, the baddies were vanquished or redeemed, The End. And that's borne out by a lot of the EU stuff that did try and carry on directly from the OT, which pretty much told the same tale over and over again because they were too afraid to "diminish" the victory of the Alliance and Luke.


I think that's only a problem in the way they did it, setting up a new outfit in an Empire costume, and having a mini-Rebel alliance that is inexplicably separate from the Republic they reformed. It's a big galaxy with an absurd amount of room for a lot of stories.

Had they gone with something that developed naturally from the end of the originally trilogy, say Luke-as-Merlin training a small group of students, and Leia as Republic Representative sending out a small group of agents to investigate rumours of a rising threat, they could have done a lot without rehashing the OT, trampling it, or denying that as a chapter, the OT was over. While certainly people wanted to see the original characters, at 20 years after 'the end,' the appropriate nod to that is as teachers or officials sending out the next generation and keeping them at the intro and outro, or maybe a brief surprise during the middle arc. The beat for beat rehash of TFA was a 'safe' choice but a poor one- too many elements don't fit. And switching to Johnson as director (and main writer) was a painfully poor choice, both for his own relative inexperience, but also for his refusal to engage with what Abrams, Kasdan and Arndt (the other writers for TFA) had set up.


As for the EU, I'm fairly ambivalent about it. Read some, didn't really like the Thrawn trilogy: mostly because of Thrawn, because 'the art of the <species> means they'll turn left when exiting hyperspace' is ridiculously stupid and casually racist (seriously, what does Michelangelo's David say about Italian driving habits? His entire 'genius' requires racism to be scientifically accurate, and species to be uniform down to the individual captain or pilot), though also the wacky anti-force hijinks intersecting with cloning.
Liked many of the SW computer games, particularly the RPGs and X-wing/tie fighter games).

Liked RO, disliked TFA, though TLJ makes me feel I was too harsh about TFA, which makes me believe I shouldn't lower my standards just because the most recent movie was worse than I actually thought possible. Yes, with low expectations and a generally negative view, I was still disappointed by how bad TLJ actually was.

But I pretty much place the blame firmly on the directors and writers. The actors seemed fine enough, but the characters were pretty mediocre and not developed nearly enough, and the storytelling was outright poor to awful. I could see where the intent was in TFA, and some of what needed to be there (or in a couple cases, what needed not to be there) to get a better film, but it was rushed and trying to hit a different movie's (the original's) patterns. TLJ is just a mess of unrelated and largely pointless stories about caricatures smeared under a thick coating of CGI spectacle.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/12/23 06:33:07


Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in us
Oozing Plague Marine Terminator





I actually liked TFA, could possible be my favorite of the series.

I had fun with this movie. At least it kept my CGI a.d.d. at bay. I had to trudge through the last hour of Rogue One, and got no real pay off. I cant even bother with the Marvel movies anymore because a 30 minute laser light show gets real boring quickly for me. Also, after seeing Adam Driver on Girls, Kylo Ren is just funny as all hell.
   
Made in us
Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'd be interested to find out whether the whole "Star Wars is dead to me!" crowd were into the EU at all and if so which parts, or just OT fans.

I suspect there might be a strong correlation between the more...visceral dislike of TLJ, and people who didn't like the EU or who only liked the EU novels that essentially retold the OT story with a few first names changed around.

I quite enjoyed it, despite a few flaws here & there, but then I've spent the 25 years since I first saw ANH reading books and comics, and playing games, that cast the light/dark conflict and the importance of balance etc in a similar way to TLJ and which have made Star Wars bigger for me than just the OT and the Skywalkers.

And lets be honest, they couldn't make a new "main saga" without trampling all over the story of the OT, because the story of the OT was *finished*. The goodies won, the baddies were vanquished or redeemed, The End. And that's borne out by a lot of the EU stuff that did try and carry on directly from the OT, which pretty much told the same tale over and over again because they were too afraid to "diminish" the victory of the Alliance and Luke.


My first, last, and ONLY foray into the EU stuff was I, Jedi. That swill swore me off novelizations for life. Hell, also swore me off Trek novelizations while it was at it. I stick with only celluloid and video game media as canon. Period. Occasionally, as was the case with the Star Trek game that came out between the two Abrams Trek movies, I am richly rewarded.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
Made in ca
Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard






Vancouver, BC

The only good book series in the entire EU was the Xwing series, with Stackpole/Allston at the head of those.


 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
 
   
Made in gb
Mighty Vampire Count






UK

Depsite its flaws I enjoyed TFA - this was just awful.

Ss VERY VERY Slow and terribly paced.

Some fun bits, occassional flashes of enjoyment but a film to be endured more than anything else.

Why do modern directors feel that everything has to be 2 1/2 3 hours long FFS.

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page

A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction 
   
Made in ca
Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer





British Columbia

I will give it another watch sometime to see if it affects my opinion.

Is there any explanation given at all for the space battles oddities? (Ie. Poe casually crippling the dreadnought. Why the FO fleet can't overwhelm and crush the few remaining Resistance capital ships.)

 BlaxicanX wrote:
A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.


 
   
Made in us
Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

 Crazyterran wrote:
The only good book series in the entire EU was the Xwing series, with Stackpole/Allston at the head of those.



Stackpole was the no talent hack that wrote I, Jedi. That book is indefensible.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
Made in us
Terrifying Doombull




 Eldarain wrote:
I will give it another watch sometime to see if it affects my opinion.

Is there any explanation given at all for the space battles oddities? (Ie. Poe casually crippling the dreadnought. Why the FO fleet can't overwhelm and crush the few remaining Resistance capital ships.)

No. That isn't really something SW does in general, but Johnson is pretty vocal that explaining things is not something he's willing to do

 Just Tony wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
The only good book series in the entire EU was the Xwing series, with Stackpole/Allston at the head of those.



Stackpole was the no talent hack that wrote I, Jedi. That book is indefensible.

He did rather well with several of the signature books of Battletech. No idea what the issues are with 'I, Jedi,' but "no talent hack" is not particularly accurate. He'd never stack up with great writers of literature, but is perfectly serviceable with pulp sci-fi (which SW is)

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/12/23 20:18:22


Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







Heh... I, Jedi is one of my favourite Star Wars books, with Corran Horn one of my favourite Star Wars characters.
   
Made in gb
Soul Token




West Yorkshire, England

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Oh you poor man, you gave DakkaDakka a chance to roll in salt.


(reads that post, reads rest of thread)

Man, you weren't kidding!

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Just bear in mind that we aren't representative of larger society


I'm amused that for all the venom-spitting in the comments, the actual "Did you like it?" poll stands at 53% yes, 35% no and 12% uncertain. I guess the people who liked it are steering clear of posting and getting jumped on.

For me, it was a mixed bag, but I find the bits I like are sticking with me more than the bits I didn't like.

"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich." 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

Just watched it a second time. It's even better on repeat viewings!

   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




 Compel wrote:
Heh... I, Jedi is one of my favourite Star Wars books, with Corran Horn one of my favourite Star Wars characters.


I chucked most of my EU books (kept the Thrawn 5 and Tales), but damn do I regret donating I, Jedi. That was one of the better ones. That story and his appearance in the Interlude at Darknell (sp?) novella really developed Horn's character well. But the whole 'point' shtick annoyed the piss out of me immediately.

The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy 
   
Made in us
Terminator with Assault Cannon





Florida

I walked out feeling okay. Not great about. Didn't really buy the new Luke. Was upset that we still have NO IDEA who Snoke is, or what happened to/with the Knights of Ren.

Just so many questions not answered or answered in a totally disappointing way.

The more I think about it the more awful it gets.

SickSix's Silver Skull WIP thread
My Youtube Channel
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
= Epic First Post.
 
   
Made in us
Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought





Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes

 Galef wrote:
Just watched it a second time. It's even better on repeat viewings!


I beg to differ. It was a bit better the second time, but only because the unwashed masses weren't cheering the whole time. Still had its good moments but was a decidedly mediocre movie.
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

This pretty much sums up how ridiculous I think most of the complaints are:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155014542862539&set=a.170496957538.121735.561922538&type=3&theater

Even ESB had similar criticisms when it came out and we all know how ESB has stood the test of time

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/25 01:00:05


   
Made in ca
Huge Hierodule






Outflanking

 Galef wrote:
This pretty much sums up how ridiculous I think most of the complaints are:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155014542862539&set=a.170496957538.121735.561922538&type=3&theater

Even ESB had similar criticisms when it came out and we all know how ESB has stood the test of time


I'm just going to file this one under "Strawman".

Q: What do you call a Dinosaur Handpuppet?

A: A Maniraptor 
   
Made in us
Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

Compel wrote:Heh... I, Jedi is one of my favourite Star Wars books, with Corran Horn one of my favourite Star Wars characters.


trexmeyer wrote:
 Compel wrote:
Heh... I, Jedi is one of my favourite Star Wars books, with Corran Horn one of my favourite Star Wars characters.


I chucked most of my EU books (kept the Thrawn 5 and Tales), but damn do I regret donating I, Jedi. That was one of the better ones. That story and his appearance in the Interlude at Darknell (sp?) novella really developed Horn's character well. But the whole 'point' shtick annoyed the piss out of me immediately.


I am truly glad you like them, and glad that there is a market for them, but I prefer my novelizations to have established legacy characters actually act in a manner that is in line with their behaviors. I detested Corran basically correcting Luke constantly and second guessing everything he was being taught, and the resolution to pretty much EVERYTHING in that book was fast and unfulfilling. Tension between Corran and the student where it was of a romantic nature: popped up out of nowhere and dismissed just as quickly. Could have not even BEEN there and the story wouldn't have been affected. A planet dies, and there is really no reason for anyone to care other than mass murder is bad. The whole build up with the missing wife which is resolved in a haphazard fashion, almost a Deadpool level quip fest. Yeah, I gave my copy away, and I felt guilty about that, solely because someone else wound up reading it. Hopefully he actually enjoyed it.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
Made in us
[MOD]
Solahma






RVA

While I liked the X-Wing series, Corran definitely tested my patience.

   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Galef wrote:
This pretty much sums up how ridiculous I think most of the complaints are:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155014542862539&set=a.170496957538.121735.561922538&type=3&theater

Even ESB had similar criticisms when it came out and we all know how ESB has stood the test of time


I'm just going to file this one under "Strawman".

So I had to look up what "Strawman" meant, to which I must ask: What fallacy exactly am I arguing?
I am simply making the point that many (but not all) of the arguments against TLJ could easily have been claimed against ESB had the interwebz existed back then.

TLJ is not what anyone expected. This could be a good thing for the franchise, but only time with tell.

Something I noticed on repeat viewings is how this very message is in the film itself.
Not only does Kylo repeatedly say "Let the past die", but later Rose says something like "I saved you, and that's how we win: Not but fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love"
This is a not-so-subtle node to the fans that SW is going to change, rather than nerd rage against the things you don't like, cherish the things that are awesome (like the amazing fight sequence against the Praetorian guard, for example)

-

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/25 15:34:00


   
Made in us
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain






A Protoss colony world

I voted conflicted, because while I certainly didn't consider it a complete dumpster fire, it wasn't a great movie. It was alright, and certainly did have some cool stuff, but it also had some stuff that just had me saying "WTF?"

My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/7/24, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Imperial Knights: ~2300 | Leagues of Votann: ~1300 | Tyranids: ~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000 | Kruleboyz: ~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: ~700
Check out my P&M Blogs: ZergSmasher's P&M Blog | Imperial Knights blog | Board Games blog | Total models painted in 2024: 40 | Total models painted in 2025: 24 | Current main painting project: Tomb Kings
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You need your bumps felt. With a patented, Grotsnik Corp Bump Feelerer 9,000.
The Grotsnik Corp Bump Feelerer 9,000. It only looks like several bricks crudely gaffer taped to a cricket bat.
Grotsnik Corp. Sorry, No Refunds.
 
   
Made in us
Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot




On moon miranda.

 Galef wrote:
 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Galef wrote:
This pretty much sums up how ridiculous I think most of the complaints are:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155014542862539&set=a.170496957538.121735.561922538&type=3&theater

Even ESB had similar criticisms when it came out and we all know how ESB has stood the test of time


I'm just going to file this one under "Strawman".

So I had to look up what "Strawman" meant, to which I must ask: What fallacy exactly am I arguing?
I am simply making the point that many (but not all) of the arguments against TLJ could easily have been claimed against ESB had the interwebz existed back then.

TLJ is not what anyone expected. This could be a good thing for the franchise, but only time with tell.

Something I noticed on repeat viewings is how this very message is in the film itself.
Not only does Kylo repeatedly say "Let the past die", but later Rose says something like "I saved you, and that's how we win: Not but fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love"
This is a not-so-subtle node to the fans that SW is going to change, rather than nerd rage against the things you don't like, cherish the things that are awesome (like the amazing fight sequence against the Praetorian guard, for example)
I actually was not impressed with that scene, part of that is just theatrical movie fight choreography looking stupid, partly because of how badly the Worf treatment the guards got was, and Rey really has absolutely no actual combat training which the Force isn't going to just natively teach her

More to the point, at least personally, even setting aside all the issues with narrative disconnect to other films, it was still an unengaging/incoherent story that didn't make me really care about most of the characters and left me feeling like I'd watched another Marvel flick (which, ok, if I'd only wanted 2 hours of CG explosions, great, but it wasn't). That said, if you're building on a well known Saga, when your failing to connect the narrative threads, that's not a problem the Audience should be responsible for, or should have to be ok with just accepting. I think reading anything from the dialogue of the movie and applying that as some not-so-subtle motto for the franchise may be reading a bit much into it. "Let go" comes up in every Star Wars movie at some point about something, right back to Luke's trench run.

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.  
   
Made in gb
Mighty Vampire Count






UK

 Galef wrote:
 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Galef wrote:
This pretty much sums up how ridiculous I think most of the complaints are:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155014542862539&set=a.170496957538.121735.561922538&type=3&theater

Even ESB had similar criticisms when it came out and we all know how ESB has stood the test of time


I'm just going to file this one under "Strawman".

So I had to look up what "Strawman" meant, to which I must ask: What fallacy exactly am I arguing?
I am simply making the point that many (but not all) of the arguments against TLJ could easily have been claimed against ESB had the interwebz existed back then.

TLJ is not what anyone expected. This could be a good thing for the franchise, but only time with tell.

Something I noticed on repeat viewings is how this very message is in the film itself.
Not only does Kylo repeatedly say "Let the past die", but later Rose says something like "I saved you, and that's how we win: Not but fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love"
This is a not-so-subtle node to the fans that SW is going to change, rather than nerd rage against the things you don't like, cherish the things that are awesome (like the amazing fight sequence against the Praetorian guard, for example)
-


re ESb vs TLJ - well unlike many people ESB is not my fav SW film - but it has none of the Pacing and plot issues that I have with TLJ. ESB did not feel hugely overlong.

Compare and contrast the escape scene from ESb and TLJ - both fims have a great action scene prior to the rebels escape.

Then ESB then gets one with the film. character development and the plot. TLJ doesn't.

Rather TLJ has the most dull, stupid and drawn out and above all else slow chase scene that i have ever scene. No tension, no interst just poor narrative

And its not as if it's there to allow for interesting stuff to happen - it appears to be just their so the director can mess about with some frankly dull CGI and visit Casino world - which in itself has little if nay redeeming features.

Yeah the fight scene in the super giant ship is cool - but its a breath of fresh air that only manged to keep me from falling asleep amognst all the dross.

I AM A MARINE PLAYER

"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos

"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page

A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Oh you poor man, you gave DakkaDakka a chance to roll in salt.

Just bear in mind that we aren't representative of larger society

Lol

Having seen it a second time, I absolutely love it. Well worth seeing again if you're conflicted - it's a very different experience!

Also, to the "representative" point, actual audience polls show the "like" rate at 89% - identical to Rogue One, just below TFA. I have a link for that but it's not handy atm...
   
Made in us
Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets





Really didn't like it at all.
   
Made in gb
Liberated Grot Land Raida






Northern Ireland

I really enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. Mostly stupid, thoughtless, visually stimulating, action nonsense fun.

Yes it's impossible to justify a tonne of gaping plot holes, stupid flaws, superfluous characters and plots, pointless dramas and the name Snook but its not like any of that was spoiling my enjoyment of the thing while I watched it.

It all just undermines any possible appreciation you had for the film afterwards, like when you've had time to think about it.

Like for example. Wow, loved the bombers. Sooo cool visually, pure Star Wars-space ship style- all messy and non-Streamlined, cause you know, space going vessels don't need aerodynamics. Giant racks of bombs just primed and ready to be dropped down upon the... Hang on, wouldn't that need gravity... Ah shoot.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/27 21:34:29


   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

 theCrowe wrote:
Like for example. Wow, loved the bombers. Sooo cool visually, pure Star Wars-space ship style- all messy and non-Streamlined, cause you know, space going vessels don't need aerodynamics. Giant racks of bombs just primed and ready to be dropped down upon the... Hang on, wouldn't that need gravity... Ah shoot.

To which I would argue: How do the crew and pilots of those bombers keep their feet to the floor of the bomber? How did Paige "fall" while inside the bomber

Answer: the bomber has artificial gravity inside it, which allows the bombs to "fall". Once outside the bomber, they continue to "fall" because of the momentum generated from the artificial gravity inside the bomber.

Why is that so hard? I've seen this complaint several times and it kills me that it doesn't make sense to so many people. Just think it through

-

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2017/12/27 21:49:16


   
Made in us
Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine






The art book explains that the bombers use magnetism first to eject (repel) from the bombers and then to be attracted to their targets.

Help me, Rhonda. HA! 
   
Made in us
Powerful Phoenix Lord





Dallas area, TX

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
The art book explains that the bombers use magnetism first to eject (repel) from the bombers and then to be attracted to their targets.

See! Plenty of explanations. One really cool one from an extra source, or my explanation that doesn't rely on extra info, just common sense.
Either explanation works, pick the one you like most and just enjoy the movie!

-

   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







Wouldn't it have been neat if they showed that?

Like, powered rails (ala railgun), ramping the bombs down, through a visible force field so that they slam into the ship.

Or, perhaps, attaching rockets to the bombs. Instead it's, "I've just sat through a particularly overlong joke about being on hold and am now being faced with this..."
   
 
Forum Index » Geek Media
Go to: