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Did Skarbrand drop in points or change in any way at all?

Anything stand out to you as interesting/good in particular?

These leaks are starting to get depressing...

 andysonic1 wrote:
These leaks are starting to get depressing...

From a Tzeentch perspective the flamer and screamer buffs are pretty big standouts. Not much else good to talk about though, the fact that Kairos/LOC got basically no help at all and Tzeentch is stuck with six measly powers (and most of them are bad!) is really discouraging.

All previous codexes were buffing but Daemons codex is nerfing... Yes, we get 3 attacks instead of d3 but points for Exalted Flamers and Burning Chariots go up too :(

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
All previous codexes were buffing but Daemons codex is nerfing... Yes, we get 3 attacks instead of d3 but points for Exalted Flamers and Burning Chariots go up too :(

Supposedly nothing changed for Slaanesh and everything in the Slaanesh daemon army is over costed except maybe heralds.

Looks like daemons are just a tag along for CSM /sigh

Bah, I'm very hopeful. My little Brimstone conflagration is going to be great. Still spamming Brimstones, still using exalted Flamers, but now I get to use normal Flamers and they're better, I can even use burning chariots.

I'm stoked.

The Daemon codex does not have any Dark Reaper/Ranger type unit as far as I can see, but it has a lot of synergies and potential. I am actually very excited for it.

I don't think it'll be very easy army to use.

Please tell us about the Soul Grinder. It's the only artilery we have. Really important for us to know if they are useable

So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - but around 90?
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - now 140!!!
3. Horrors - invul -1/-2
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
3. Horrors - invul -1
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

3 attacks instead of d3 is definitely a buff

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
3. Horrors - invul -1
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

I think I will stop posting lol
if people can't see how definite 3 attacks and 12" pistol flamer on character exalted flamers are good. And now their range attacks are S: Users, means that all kinda of attribute buffs helps them.
S10 lasers with a herald. 9" bubble of Reroll 1s to Wound with a warlord trait, reroll 1s to hit with DP.

It is sad. I am not going to help people looking for dark reapers.

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3
3. Horrors - invul -1
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

I'd argue consistent shot volume on a weapon of that power makes the unit worth those increased points, since it's no longer a question of "how many lascannon equivalents did I get" but reliably 3 shots.

example here might be before paying for 2 lascannons in a havoc squad, now you pay for 3 but two of them don't vanish inexplicably.

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - but around 90?
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - now 140!!!
3. Horrors - invul -1/-2
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

Exalted Flamers and Burning Chariots were definitely buffed. Brimstones and Changeling got nerfed (and they needed it, to be frank) though I'm curious to see how viable Pinks are since their shooting is going to be better.

xxhikaru123 wrote:


I think I will stop posting lol
if people can't see how definite 3 attacks and 12" pistol flamer on character exalted flamers are good , it is sad and looking for dark reapers.

Some people will always be pining for a superstar unit, not looking for what works well together.

I'd be curious to hear about soulgrinders, echoing the others in thread, it really was in a bad place in the index, same with the skull cannon if you wouldn't mind

I understand that 3 much more cool than d3 but price...
Now Burning Chariot is 98pts , it goes up to 140pts. 140pts is too much for d3 -> 3 attacks.

Same for Exalted Flamer

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
I understand that 3 much more cool than d3 but price...
Now Burning Chariot is 98pts , it goes up to 140pts. 140pts is too much for d3 -> 3 attacks.

Same for Exalted Flamer

You should probably read the posts carefully and not mindlessly post. There are many changes to the burning chariot.

 andysonic1 wrote:
These leaks are starting to get depressing...

Yeah....I'm getting there as well. Slaanesh got nothing? No price breaks or buffs? I mean Advance and Charge is excellent as is Deep Striking, for getting there. Then what happens? Did we get confirmation that Heralds still grant +1 strength?

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
I understand that 3 much more cool than d3 but price...
Now Burning Chariot is 98pts , it goes up to 140pts. 140pts is too much for d3 -> 3 attacks.

Same for Exalted Flamer

You should probably read the posts carefully and not mindlessly post. There are many changes to the burning chariot.

That's nice to hear. Sorry abut panic - i just painted bunch of Burning Chariots and Exalted Flamers and it would be sucks if they're nerfed

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:

xxhikaru123 wrote:

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
I understand that 3 much more cool than d3 but price...
Now Burning Chariot is 98pts , it goes up to 140pts. 140pts is too much for d3 -> 3 attacks.

Same for Exalted Flamer

You should probably read the posts carefully and not mindlessly post. There are many changes to the burning chariot.

That's nice to hear. Sorry abut panic - i just painted bunch of Burning Chariots and Exalted Flamers and it would be sucks if they're nerfed

I actually even listed their changes and possible chemistry/synergies but you didn't bother to read lol .

anyway I will still be commenting but won't be leaking anymore.

Hey, xxhikaru123 is there a stratagem that lets you Fallback and still charge?

Meh. We'll get the rest sooner or later from someone else. Thanks for what you've given us so far. Some good stuff, some disappointments. Par the course.

I'm excited to use daemons with the codex, whereas as of now Khorne has been such garbage I haven't even bothered.

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
I understand that 3 much more cool than d3 but price...
Now Burning Chariot is 98pts , it goes up to 140pts. 140pts is too much for d3 -> 3 attacks.

Same for Exalted Flamer

Keep in mind, also, that all of the Screamers' attacks are now Lamprey Bites. So, it can hold its own in combat a lot more, too.

The Doomsayer is absurd. Things absolutely have a place, and I don't mind the trade off for the point increase on Exalteds. Three attacks so so good.

Chariots even seem great, especially for 120.

I'm stoked.

Bloodletters, one of the best infantry units in the game points per points has gained a way to deepstrike and do ultra-reliable charges. His only weakness and the reason they wheren't really used at all.

And you keep asking for a "Conscript" equivalent? LOL. Wait and see guys, just like the DA codex this will be a codex where you need to work your brain out to reach those sinergies and tactics and squeeze every drop of efficience from your lists. Don't expect Eldar Codexs and their 30% point reductions in nearly everything.

Get ready for the Bloodletter bomb. At least here they don't do mortal wounds in rolls of 6+ to hit (More like 4+).

 ArtyomTrityak wrote:
So for Tzeench

Nerfs:
1. Exalted flamers - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - but around 90?
2. Burning Chariots - up price and got 3 attacks instead of d3 - now 140!!!
3. Horrors - invul -1/-2
4. Changeling - no more -1 to hit which is superior to 6+++


Buffs:
1. Deepstrike stratagem
2. Flamers 12' range

kind... sucks?

Since when is a ~150% increase in firepower for 20 points a nerf?

I can see starting a list with 120 Bloodletters, half going DS, and then adding buffs and whatnot. Sounds like the most fun anyone;s had playing Bloodletters in many years.

I thought burning chariots were 120 now. 140 or 120? They were like 20-30 over costed already so the increase with the buff doesn’t really make sense as the should have got a decrease or buff not buff plus increase

The changes for Tzeentch seem fair to me. I think there is more to bis guys now, than being cheap wounds. But if most Khorne and Slaanesh units stay the same, I really dont know what you are supposed to do with them. Really no changes on Fiends, Hounds, Canon, Seeker Chariots, ... ?