Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours-BA Dawnbreakers Pg 163

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**Kdash**

Forgive me if i've missed them in the lore somewhere... But what the hell are Dawnbreakers?

**Mr Morden**

zedmeister wrote:
Blood Angels Dawnbreakers. Nice models but no to that flight stand...

I like them - make good alts to Sang Guard

**Tyranid Horde**

They're lovely but the flying stands are not!

**Jackal90**

More flying stands to adapt, yay!

If it connects to a solid point then you can literally just drill the model to create a slot for the stand (like the old ones)
It’s models like the sky dwarves that suffer as they connect to a sideways pipe.

Nothing a quick drill won’t fix though.

The models look great though.
Nice to see that they didn’t create the old and ornate look by piling on pointless and dull details like usual too.

Now, if only Sanguinius didn’t look awkward without his over priced base lol.

**Lord Damocles**

They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

**beast_gts**

Kdash wrote:
Forgive me if i've missed them in the lore somewhere... But what the hell are Dawnbreakers?

The Dawnbreakers were elite Assault Marines used by the Blood Angels during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

Even within a Legion known for its Jump infantry and assault tactics, the Dawnbreaker Cohorts stood apart. These warriors were chosen from amongst the most experienced and daring of the Legion's assault squads, trained and equipped to act as the tip of the spear of the Blood Angels. The Dawnbreakers had only one purpose in battle, to sunder the enemy lines and tear the heart from its formation. These Space Marines emphasized not only martial excellence, but also the symbolic nature of their role, bringing light and justice to even the most hellish warzones.

**GaroRobe**

They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

**beast_gts**

GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

**Modock**

beast_gts wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

Useless and silly design, that's what it is.

**GaroRobe**

beast_gts wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
They've got massive loincloths. They'd 100% trip if they decide to walk anywhere

Do you think they're retractable, or do they tear off like toilet paper?

It actually states in the future Blood Angel codex that these were the marines that found the dead Sanguinius on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit. Each marine carefully wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths, and as one, flew him back to Baal to intern him in the Sarcophagus.

**ImAGeek**

It does look like the tabards could be used to glue them to the bases rather than using the flight stands, though.

**BrotherGecko**

The tabards are goofy but not as goofy as the potato guns on their wrists. Wrist mounted weapons never look half as good as whoever comes up with the idea thinks they do.

**Azreal13**

wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

**MajorWesJanson**

Azreal13 wrote:
wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

Silly primarch, being carried around like a coconut by a bunch of swallows.

**Nah Man Pichu**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
wrapped one of Sangunius' appendages tightly around their loincloths

Poor sod, he's already dead and then his own troops turn him into a Primarch Stretch Armstrong...

Silly primarch, being carried around like a coconut by a bunch of swallows.

It's not a question of how they grip it, it's a question of weight ratio.

**Racerguy180**

is that a European or African?

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Not a fan, those Torsos look pretty bad.

Jump Packs are nice

**Mr Morden**

Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

**Jackal90**

Mr Morden wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

**Crimson**

Jackal90 wrote:

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

But then they could not have sold these insanely overpriced resin models!

**Slayer-Fan123**

Jackal90 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

**Crazyterran**

That or the guard officially formed out of these guys after Sanguinius' death, thus being there when he died.

**ImAGeek**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

Sanguinary Guard are around in the lore too, Azkaellon is the first commander of the Sanguinary Guard in the 30k novels.

**TalonZahn**

SG are on the Siege of Terra cover.....

Don't like the tabards, launchers, or stands.

Love the spears and backpacks.

The helmets should look like Suzerian heads

**Jackal90**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Jackal90 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Lord Damocles wrote:
They're nothing like Sanguinary Guard.
Honest.

Well them being precusrsors would make sense no? Unless the Guard are already in HH - I am not that up to date

And this is where they fethed up.
Sanguinary guard were there with Sanguinius when he died.
They’ve been around for the same time, so no idea why they added the new ones and somehow changed the past.
Should have just ported the guard over to 30k and saved time.

30k takes place at the time, so new guys > Sanguine Guard lore. Also Guard models look atrocious. These guys look much cleaner.

Both are around according to a lot of different sources.
Only difference is, the new guys only have their history mentioned recently and in 1 place.
Just them being described as they are completely renders their own purpose useless as there was already a unit doing that.
So what, these guys and the sanguinary guard were both around but people forgot about the guard somehow?

Completely agree on the models though.
These new guys look miles better and I’m half tempted to replace my sang guard with them.

**Azreal13**

Sanguinary Guard are totally and completely present in the Heresy. They're even portrayed in enough detail in some books as to have named individuals included in the story. Azkalleon is the named leader and crops up frequently in the Blood Angels threads across a bunch of the novels (most of the Imperium Secundus tangent IIRC) and I'm pretty sure that he's not the only named member of the Guard, and that they are described as they look in 40K more or less completely.

The Dawn Guard are just an excuse to give people another kit to buy, AFAICS, especially given I believe the BA still lack even rules for fielding Guard units in 30K.

**Tamereth**

The sanguinary guard we've seen in 30k artwork are basically the 40k models but with mk4 helmets instead of the deathmasks.
They don't have their own rules, the writers have said they are just command squads with jump packs, which we can already field. So saved the 2 legion specific units for more unquie things, such as these dawn breakers.

I love the models, but those bendy flight stands are horrible.

**Crimson**

Well, the fluff changes. Originally the HH era Legions were just comprised of ten Chapter, pretty much in their modern (well. pre-Primaris layout) but then new fluff got written and new units and formations were invented and the Legions become more different from the later Chapters. Perhaps this is more of that, and Sanguinary Guard will no longer exist in the current version of the HH fluff?

*shrug*

**Moopy**

Love the Dwwnbreakers, but at almost 18 a pop with no sword options... god damn, god damn... : |

**Racerguy180**

Crazyterran wrote:That or the guard officially formed out of these guys after Sanguinius' death, thus being there when he died.

Maybe they formed for the Seige of Terra? or at least the lead up to?

I like 80% of how they look. wish jetpacks were more avian looking, a smaller wristgun, and the loincloth is a taaaaad toooooooo long. Otherwise looks cool.