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Anyone else notice that the Caladius is a Fast Attack choice? I was expecting it to be heavy. Custodes were desperately missing fast attack choices. This is so much better than missile jetbikes.

I'm not missing anything right. The Galatus isn't there?

You're right, it isn't there. Lots of things aren't there. Hopefully it's just an issue with limited resources and they're bringing us the rules piecemeal. I'm most excited for Telemon rules.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm not missing anything right. The Galatus isn't there?

TigerMafia wrote:You're right, it isn't there. Lots of things aren't there. Hopefully it's just an issue with limited resources and they're bringing us the rules piecemeal. I'm most excited for Telemon rules.

‘we’re making some of the experimental, non-final rules from this book available ahead of time to allow you to jump in right away, ’

‘if your favourites aren’t here, worry not! This is just a sample of what we’ll be eventually releasing rules for in Warhammer 40,000’

If these rules are about right to the final ones, then I bet the Telemon will be about 325 points.

Rogal Dorn is up for sale: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Rogal-Dorn-Primarch-of-the-Imperial-Fists-Legion-2018

£75

man the guy almost looks like a bloody custodes with that gold.

Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

With how quick Dorn has been released I hope anybody who was stupid enough to pay through the nose for him via a reseller feels stupid and ripped off right now.

A thought occurs with all these Forge World character figures - how about selling them without the huge, OTT bases? That looks like it would halve the price.

 Looky Likey wrote:
With how quick Dorn has been released I hope anybody who was stupid enough to pay through the nose for him via a reseller feels stupid and ripped off right now.

Or even better, those who grabbed him merely to resell at vastly inflated prices are now sitting on models they can't shift easily.

 zedmeister wrote:
Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

what are you talking about? I can't find a bundle with despoilers

 von Hohenstein wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

what are you talking about? I can't find a bundle with despoilers

Imperial Fists Legion Templar Brethren & Imperial Fists Legion Phalanx Warder Squad.

Well you can just get the upgrade sprue and get legs elsewhere as well.

 zedmeister wrote:
Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

They're £9 cheaper than buying separately.

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

They're £9 cheaper than buying separately.

Only if you're dead set on having them in resin. Buying the upgrade + the plastic MkIII/MKIV squad would be cheaper still.

 farmersboy wrote:
A thought occurs with all these Forge World character figures - how about selling them without the huge, OTT bases? That looks like it would halve the price.

But paying for three to five more models' worth of material in a display base is all part of Forgeworld's charm! Otherwise the price would just be sensible.

Seriously, Dorn looks great. I like the resting pose.

 BrookM wrote:
Rogal Dorn is up for sale: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Rogal-Dorn-Primarch-of-the-Imperial-Fists-Legion-2018

£75

Spoiler:

That is just so gorgeous. The exact right aura/presence for that character. Stoic. Surveying the battlefield. Just perfect!

ALSO!

Guys! GUYS! They shipped. MY DECALS SHIPPED.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Guys! GUYS! They shipped. MY DECALS SHIPPED.

Sweet! I just ordered DORN!


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 zedmeister wrote:
Ugh, those Imperial Fist bundles are just stupid. Why don't they just bundle in the needed legs instead of adding a whole despoiler squad into the mix, wasting everything else.

You need the arms, too. The Templar Brethren base upgrade kit only comes with the hands holding the swords. Also, no bolt pistols (or arms to hold them) in the base kit, either.

 farmersboy wrote:
A thought occurs with all these Forge World character figures - how about selling them without the huge, OTT bases? That looks like it would halve the price.

Indeed.

I wanted to give tthem money for the regular marine Red Scorpions that came out recently, but I have no desire for the massive resin display base that accompanied them.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

I wanted to give tthem money for the regular marine Red Scorpions that came out recently, but I have no desire for the massive resin display base that accompanied them.

Yeah, that's a bit blatant isn't it? £60 for two figures and a whacking great lump of resin.

The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

The price is reflected in the 200+ hours it takes to sculpt and refine the model, prototype it and test cast, and then get a production run going.

The process isn't cheap, especially when it comes to an artist's labor.

Some of that money should be funneled into quality control though.

 BrookM wrote:
Some of that money should be funneled into quality control though.

Says every FW customer since its inception.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

The price is reflected in the 200+ hours it takes to sculpt and refine the model, prototype it and test cast, and then get a production run going.

The process isn't cheap, especially when it comes to an artist's labor.

All true, but not all there is to it. There are companies out there producing solid quality resin casts for a lot less than FW do, FW charge the prices they do because they *can*, not because they *must*, and the silly gigantic resin bases - which, as established, cost them almost nothing to make - are just psychological trickery, the same as the fancy "presentation" packaging, designed to add an air of exclusivity that helps people overlook the utterly daft prices.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

The price is reflected in the 200+ hours it takes to sculpt and refine the model, prototype it and test cast, and then get a production run going.

The process isn't cheap, especially when it comes to an artist's labor.

Salary means hours spent don't impact production cost at all. The artist would have cost GW the same if he'd sat on his butt for a month.

It would be so easy to make the base an optional extra, but we're kidding ourselves if the division of price wouldn't still be something like 80/20 in favor of the model.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

The price is reflected in the 200+ hours it takes to sculpt and refine the model, prototype it and test cast, and then get a production run going.

The process isn't cheap, especially when it comes to an artist's labor.

Salary means hours spent don't impact production cost at all. The artist would have cost GW the same if he'd sat on his butt for a month.

It would be so easy to make the base an optional extra, but we're kidding ourselves if the division of price wouldn't still be something like 80/20 in favor of the model.

Most artists aren't salary. They are contracted out for lengths of time, but I can't attest to FW's procedure.

GW design artists are almost exclusively salaried. It's a big competitive advantage for them, and why I mentioned it.

Take, for example, Simon Egan. He's been full time FW for over 20 years, according to wiki. If he was on any sort of freelance or contract basis, I'm sure he'd have a website where he was open to other commissions, but nope.

Or the departure of the chap who did a number of the initial primarchs, marked by a gap in releases and, to many, a dip in quality of some of the subsequent models. Unless there were a spectacular falling out (not impossible) one would have assumed he'd have kept making them on a contractual basis?

Retaining salaried artists is SOP for GW as a whole, and from what I've gleaned from different interviews from various creatives seems to be deemed an important step in a wargaming CV to acquire. Whether you're happy to continue in golden handcuffs or feel the need to move on varies by the individuals.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The resin used has almost no value at all, the price of these has very little to do with production costs and all to do with charging what hey can for a ‘premium product’. The big base just makes you feel like you’re getting a bit more value for your £70.

The price is reflected in the 200+ hours it takes to sculpt and refine the model, prototype it and test cast, and then get a production run going.

The process isn't cheap, especially when it comes to an artist's labor.

Salary means hours spent don't impact production cost at all. The artist would have cost GW the same if he'd sat on his butt for a month.

It would be so easy to make the base an optional extra, but we're kidding ourselves if the division of price wouldn't still be something like 80/20 in favor of the model.

You think fw doesn't pass cost of salaries to customers like every company out there?