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Available at Warhammer Fest:







Plus a few other mugs and, of course, alpharius

No Necromunda pets or the Robot? makes me sad was main thing I was actually going to buy there outside of 1 weapon pack.

How long after do these show up at WHW? Same time as general release?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
The team hasn't been reduced. The man driving the creative direction of the Heresy sadly died and so, as Forgeworld have explicitly stated at events, they pressed pause on the Heresy while someone else got ready to take on that role. Games Workshop, rather than having staff sit around doing nothing, re-tasked Forgeworld teamsters who had been doing HH work with Specialist Games stuff.

That is what i call a reduction of the team. You dont reduce the HH team if the system sells. Maybe Alan's death indeed had something to do with it but it cannot be proven because 8th edition was released at the same time. Yeah... i think Alan would try to push the 8th edition (i read a rumour about him wanting this) because i believe he understood what i write right now - game would have to be updated sooner rather than later in order to sell as much as before. He sadly died. Game got stuck in 7th edition because some of the community wanted this and it was a safe option. But in doing so it also got stuck in stagnation mode. Perhaps even dwindle.

Maybe the HH team didnt really know how it would work out in the end by choosing to stay...

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Again, you're making baseless assertions. I've seen peope here and elsewhere online say that 8th killed their interest in 40k and pushed them to HH exclusively as well as people saying the exact opposite.

Searching the internet i can see people believing in the flat earth. There are also those that believe the earth has a round shape. There is more of the latter.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
All that is just random anecdotes that doesnt mean much.

Well... Just because you dont like to hear it or maybe you have a different experience in your own individual area (but you said you dont even play 30k so...) doesnt change the truth.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Comparing HH to 2nd ed is disingenuous, one of those is an actual current ruleset you can purchase direct from the company while the other was superceded 20 years ago.

Yeah you can buy the rules. During the 7th 40k edition it was easier to get someone to play Heresy because both games shared the basic rules. Nowadays its just harder for someone to switch because this common ground is no more. Yes, you have individuals wanting to play 7th edition. Perhaps they are even right saying its a better ruleset. It doesnt matter however - what matters is that 8th edition is more common, prevalent and just easier to find games. It now takes a special kind of person to get to know the HH ruleset and who wants to play it and in order for the game to live you need new players (also if you want fat nice books full with content - popularity). That is why the comparision to 2nd edition is for me very good. Actuality of the rules dont change the fact that both system nowadays (2nd and HH) thrive on this same sort of special kind of players (like me).

I say HH can only be revitalized by making a new edition. It would be best ofcourse if more of the basic models were available in plastic. If i was a designer i would wait with releases of big books and slowly make a good 8th edition conversion.

 zedmeister wrote:
Available at Warhammer Fest:

Spoiler:

And in the last chance bin a year or two from now? :( Either way, the Alpha Legion stuff looks quite nice. They pulled off the scales nicely IMO especially when compared to the horrible fur on the Space Wolves.

Glumy wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
The team hasn't been reduced. The man driving the creative direction of the Heresy sadly died and so, as Forgeworld have explicitly stated at events, they pressed pause on the Heresy while someone else got ready to take on that role. Games Workshop, rather than having staff sit around doing nothing, re-tasked Forgeworld teamsters who had been doing HH work with Specialist Games stuff.

That is what i call a reduction of the team. You dont reduce the HH team if the system sells. Maybe Alan's death indeed had something to do with it but it cannot be proven because 8th edition was released at the same time. Yeah... i think Alan would try to push the 8th edition (i read a rumour about him wanting this) because i believe he understood what i write right now - game would have to be updated sooner rather than later in order to sell as much as before. He sadly died. Game got stuck in 7th edition because some of the community wanted this and it was a safe option. But in doing so it also got stuck in stagnation mode. Perhaps even dwindle.

Maybe the HH team didnt really know how it would work out in the end by choosing to stay...

Alan has been replaced on the rules side, so they were as of the Weekender back up to two rules people and I think they were looking for a third. Unless one of them left since then...

The big issue is the sculpting side, plenty of HH profiles without models. This is due to experienced sculpting resources being shifted from HH/40k FW to specialist games. Again from what I could see at the weekender they had employed a few new sculptors but they will need time to get up to speed.

The very clear message at the weekender from the actual two guys writing the rules (they did their own Q&A session), was that everything up to the Siege would stay in their 7.5 rule set. With Siege it will either:
1) Stay with 7.5
2) Move to a modified 8th
3) Move to a brand new rule set

I felt that the decision wasn't theirs to make and that somebody like Tony or main studio would be making the call, everybody in the room wanted anything but 8th. What was clear was that Siege would be a clean break from the HH books and that the existing HH books would become standalone.

One of the biggest advantages HH had was rules cross-compatability with 40k. Most HH players would probably choose a growing community over staying with an old rule set that doesn't do anything to draw 40k players in. This is a tiny, tiny and very fragile niche within a niche after all and it needs every advantage it can get.

If HH goes to 8th it's dead is as simple as that. 8th is to HH what tiddly winks is to chess.

From what I have heard and read is that with Alan what they are missing is not so much a designer or in depth knowledge of the HH, but that be was a master of office politics and navigating the egos and jealously.

The main studio has been after FW's resources and staff for a long time and there was a lot of envy about the amount of autonomy FW used to have.

If the main studio does get it's hooks into FW it probably will not have long to exist. In fact I think we're starting to see that all ready.

 Mymearan wrote:
One of the biggest advantages HH had was rules cross-compatability with 40k. Most HH players would probably choose a growing community over staying with an old rule set that doesn't do anything to draw 40k players in. This is a tiny, tiny and very fragile niche within a niche after all and it needs every advantage it can get.

As you can see from some responses in the thread, HH has become a 'He-Man Eighth Edition Hater's Club' in some corners. *shrug* That also makes me think of old grognards at historical conventions. It is what it is. I think 8th is *much* better suited for large HH-style battles with titans on the table, etc. But for some it's just a matter of principle and not about what actually functions better.

 warboss wrote:
And in the last chance bin a year or two from now? :( Either way, the Alpha Legion stuff looks quite nice. They pulled off the scales nicely IMO especially when compared to the horrible fur on the Space Wolves.

While I don't think we've seen any Legion-specific units drop out, I do think that we should be prepared for a more dynamic catalog from FW. It doesn't get much more 'core' than Legion torsos and heads. Welcome to Specialist Games status. *shrug*

 gorgon wrote:

As you can see from some responses in the thread, HH has become a 'He-Man Eighth Edition Hater's Club' in some corners. *shrug* That also makes me think of old grognards at historical conventions. It is what it is. I think 8th is *much* better suited for large HH-style battles with titans on the table, etc. But for some it's just a matter of principle and not about what actually functions better.

I don't think that's a fair characterization and ignorant of the problems that lead to so many people going to HH in the first place. In 6th and 7th editions, you had a shift in tone at GW where instead of feeling like the design team told the marketing team what to do you had instead the reverse (all at the behest of the CEO who apparently took a more hands on approach to ruining his company's flagship IPs during his final years). Those "haters" switched to HH IMO because it felt more like classic 40k (as in more balanced with obvious care/effort/pride put into the work as designers). They supported it for years and they deserve a conclusion that doesn't instantly invalidate their entire rules collections and replace it with a slap dash get you by set of lists and rules for the long awaited finale of the decade long storyline.

While 8th edition fixed many issues, it didn't fix all of the complaints folks had with 40k and introduced some of its own. It's IMO an improvement over 7th but something that I'm ambivalent towards isn't too high praise compared to something that I actively disliked in the grand scheme of things. And, just in case you try to lump me in with the "haters", I've played just as many HH games as I have 8th edition.. one of each. I've got no dog in this fight either way but I don't want to see dedicated fans crapped on yet again in this supposed era of NuGW (which is really just a return to old GW prior to 6th/7th edition and certainly not some altruistic benevolent corporate entity).

 gorgon wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
One of the biggest advantages HH had was rules cross-compatability with 40k. Most HH players would probably choose a growing community over staying with an old rule set that doesn't do anything to draw 40k players in. This is a tiny, tiny and very fragile niche within a niche after all and it needs every advantage it can get.

As you can see from some responses in the thread, HH has become a 'He-Man Eighth Edition Hater's Club' in some corners. *shrug* That also makes me think of old grognards at historical conventions. It is what it is. I think 8th is *much* better suited for large HH-style battles with titans on the table, etc. But for some it's just a matter of principle and not about what actually functions better.

Probably more a case of many HH players being desperate to avoid having to buy all the books again for 8th (especially given the speed FW turns over re-writes) than any real hatred for 8th

 warboss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

As you can see from some responses in the thread, HH has become a 'He-Man Eighth Edition Hater's Club' in some corners. *shrug* That also makes me think of old grognards at historical conventions. It is what it is. I think 8th is *much* better suited for large HH-style battles with titans on the table, etc. But for some it's just a matter of principle and not about what actually functions better.

I don't think that's a fair characterization and ignorant of the problems that lead to so many people going to HH in the first place. In 6th and 7th editions, you had a shift in tone at GW where instead of feeling like the design team told the marketing team what to do you had instead the reverse (all at the behest of the CEO who apparently took a more hands on approach to ruining his company's flagship IPs during his final years). Those "haters" switched to HH IMO because it felt more like classic 40k (as in more balanced with obvious care/effort/pride put into the work as designers). They supported it for years and they deserve a conclusion that doesn't instantly invalidate their entire rules collections and replace it with a slap dash get you by set of lists and rules for the long awaited finale of the decade long storyline.

So.... you're saying it's a matter of principle, and not about what actually functions better?

Okay, let's take any further discussion regarding the future of the Horus Heresy elsewhere please, yes?

8th overall is an improvement, but the way characters work in shooting phase and the ability to choose to fall back from combat at almost no penalty is bollocks. I'd be fine with falling back if the enemy had a chance to catch them like in Fantasy or something like an updated Sweeping Advance though.

But anyways, on topic. Is the old school Landspeeder Warhammer Fest exclusive or will they be adding it to the webstore later? I really want a couple of those.

 zend wrote:
But anyways, on topic. Is the old school Landspeeder Warhammer Fest exclusive or will they be adding it to the webstore later? I really want a couple of those.

I'm a little scared of what the price tag will be.

 gorgon wrote:

 zend wrote:
But anyways, on topic. Is the old school Landspeeder Warhammer Fest exclusive or will they be adding it to the webstore later? I really want a couple of those.

I'm a little scared of what the price tag will be.

Can't be much more than the Javelim, Shurley? I'm reckoning mid £40s

Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

It's somewhat awkwardly worded. Pay for the dread body and one arm, the second arm is free.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

Nah - buy a dread with two weapons and you get the cheapest one free.

It’s explained fully in the t&c’s:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Buy-a-fully-armed-Dreadnought-get-one-of-the-weapons-free

wana10 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

It's somewhat awkwardly worded. Pay for the dread body and one arm, the second arm is free.

Nicky J wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

Nah - buy a dread with two weapons and you get the cheapest one free.

It’s explained fully in the t&c’s:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Buy-a-fully-armed-Dreadnought-get-one-of-the-weapons-free

Okay, that makes so much more sense. I will have to look at the available Dreadnoughts. I might need to make a Mortis Dreadnought with Autocannons. Or get an autocannon Deredeo.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

wana10 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

It's somewhat awkwardly worded. Pay for the dread body and one arm, the second arm is free.

Nicky J wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Okay, I guess I don't understand the Dreadnought deal. So if I buy a Dreadnought with two weapons I get another weapon free? Or do I get another Dreadnought free. What purpose does an extra weapon serve when the Dreadnought only has two weapon hardpoints?

Nah - buy a dread with two weapons and you get the cheapest one free.

It’s explained fully in the t&c’s:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Buy-a-fully-armed-Dreadnought-get-one-of-the-weapons-free

Okay, that makes so much more sense. I will have to look at the available Dreadnoughts. I might need to make a Mortis Dreadnought with Autocannons. Or get an autocannon Deredeo.

One thing to remember, if you're buying multiple Dreadnoughts and their arms in a single order the website is only set up to give you the one arm for free, you'll have to get in touch with FW who'll sort it out for you to get a free arm on each Dread.

 gorgon wrote:

As you can see from some responses in the thread, HH has become a 'He-Man Eighth Edition Hater's Club' in some corners. *shrug* That also makes me think of old grognards at historical conventions. It is what it is. I think 8th is *much* better suited for large HH-style battles with titans on the table, etc. But for some it's just a matter of principle and not about what actually functions better.

Dunno. HH as is now plays out lot faster than 8th ed. I can play 2.5k HH game in 2.5h in time. Not so 8th ed.

Bigger armies, rules need to be faster. 8th ed isn't. 8th ed takes more time even though it's been artificially made so that games are mostly mattered in turns 1-2

I do not think a strict 8th edition port would work for Heresy. There is not enough granularity in 8th.

A modified version of 8th would do fine, although I think I would prefer a modified version of 5th edition more.

Annirak wrote:
This is really disappointing... I'm just starting a Salamanders army, and I was planning to use FW pads on every. single. model and torso upgrades on all sergeants. I even got a sprue of mkiii marines to make sure that the legs and arms are in keeping with the torsos.

I only have 20 of them, but if they're going away, I'm going to have to rethink things....

Edit: evidently, the mkii shoulder pads are the only ones being discontinued. Mkiii and mkiv are safe for now. The loss of torsos is a big deal for me, though. I might have to pick up another pack long before I was ready to do so.

I caved and bought another sprue of 5 torsos. At least I'll have enough to cater for 10 sergeants.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Okay, that makes so much more sense. I will have to look at the available Dreadnoughts. I might need to make a Mortis Dreadnought with Autocannons. Or get an autocannon Deredeo.

For it to work with the Deredeo, it appears that you have to buy the missile launcher.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/09/forge-world-at-the-warhammer-citadel/

The Warhammer Citadel in Grapevine Texas opens its doors in just one month’s time.

As well as being the only shop of its kind, this glorious hybrid of Warhammer store and cafe will also have the honour of being the only location in North America that will have a permanent stock of Forge World miniatures available to buy.

In fact, on the run up to the store’s Grand Opening on the 9th and 10th of June, we’re running a special promotion where you can order any Forge World item at all from our website, titanic or tiny, and have it shipped to the store for free, to pick up at the Grand Opening weekend.

Just another excuse, if any were needed, to join us for the party.

Placing your order for delivery to the event could not be simpler:

Place your order before the 14th of May to have your order shipped in time.

Following the opening weekend, the Warhammer Citadel will then have a select range of Forge World items permanently available to purchase all year round.

We hope as many of you as possible can join us for the Warhammer Citadel’s Grand Opening, and we look forward to seeing you there!

 reds8n wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/09/forge-world-at-the-warhammer-citadel/

The Warhammer Citadel in Grapevine Texas opens its doors in just one month’s time.

As well as being the only shop of its kind, this glorious hybrid of Warhammer store and cafe will also have the honour of being the only location in North America that will have a permanent stock of Forge World miniatures available to buy.

In fact, on the run up to the store’s Grand Opening on the 9th and 10th of June, we’re running a special promotion where you can order any Forge World item at all from our website, titanic or tiny, and have it shipped to the store for free, to pick up at the Grand Opening weekend.

Just another excuse, if any were needed, to join us for the party.

Placing your order for delivery to the event could not be simpler:

Place your order before the 14th of May to have your order shipped in time.

Following the opening weekend, the Warhammer Citadel will then have a select range of Forge World items permanently available to purchase all year round.

We hope as many of you as possible can join us for the Warhammer Citadel’s Grand Opening, and we look forward to seeing you there!

At the rate they're going, will there be anything forge-world left to buy?

Telemon rules are now available: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40k-Adeptus-Custodes-Telemon-2018.pdf

They better show something amazing tomorrow... :(

The lasstorm is a stormcannon that traded guaranteed 2d and 1 ap for double the range, and the ability to maybe roll 3s for damage.

 BaronIveagh wrote:


At the rate they're going, will there be anything forge-world left to buy?

You mean beside vast majority of their line? Less stupid hyperbole please