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BrianDavion wrote:
on another note did BL remove their "coming soon" bit from their website? that's horriable!

Huh, they did. They also removed it from the GW site, pity as it made planning future purchases all the easier.

Yeah the coming soon is gone :(
Then again I've never found it but someone did once link to a load of pre-releases on Amazon so the info might still be out there (annoyingly you can't just search "Black library" on Amazon and get GW results).

Hopefully it might return, its not as if the coming soon ever spoil us with regard to books - heck knowing that Gotrek and Felix 2 was coming got me buying and reading the first so it has a net bonus.

 TheGuest wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
I've read his Eldar and Lorgar, the former was risable the latter decent.

My SoT turned up today, fab looking limited edition.

How does it read if you haven't read all the Horus Heresy novels?
And if you haven't read any novels is it a good starting point?
If not which novels are essential for this book?

I have read the first 10 books and some other stuff but I want to jump back directly at the siege of terra but I don't know if it's a good idea...

Thanks!

I'm sure you already know how the story finishes with the battle on the bridge of Vengeful Spirit? If so you aren't really going to spoil the story for you jumping in at the end with the SoT series.

If you want the character development showing you why certain things happened then you could read the lot, all 54 numbered books, all of the novellas and short stories not included in any of the anthologies given an official number, listen to all of the audio drams, read all of the fluff in the 8 black books available so far, even all of the Primarch books. A massive undertaking even if you did as I did and started when Horus Rising first came out. Almost every story has some little nugget that helps either the lore or the development of the story.

However there is a lot of ok to meh books in the series, and the middle quarter or so of books there is a lot of filler well written or not. You could skip large chunks of the story and not really miss out on much.

If you wanted to skip some you could either take the approach to follow particular Primarchs that you were interested in (plus any Horus centric stories), or just follow the largest events such as the destruction of Prospero or the turning of the Death Guard. Or you could even just read the best books and skip all the dross. A lot of the Dark Angels and Salamanders books are just plain boring, but they do advance those legions' story.

Very difficult to know what to recommend due to the series offering different things to different people. I'm sure others will disagree but the minium I would suggest is:
Book Title
1 Horus Rising - The seeds of heresy are sown
2 False Gods - The heresy takes root
3 Galaxy in Flames - The heresy revealed
4 The Flight of the Eisenstein - The heresy unfolds
5 Fulgrim - Visions of Treachery
7 Legion - Secrets and lies
8 Battle for the Abyss - My brother, my enemy
9 Mechanicum - Knowledge is power
12 A Thousand Sons - All is dust...
14 The First Heretic - Fall to Chaos
15 Prospero Burns - The Wolves unleashed
18 Deliverance Lost - Ghosts of Terra
19 Know No Fear -The battle of Calth
21 Fear to Tread - The angel falls
23 Angel Exterminatus - Flesh and iron
24 Betrayer - Blood for the Blood God
29 Vengeful Spirit- The Battle of Molech
39 Praetorian of Dorn - Alpha to omega
41 The Master of Mankind - War in the webway
44 The Crimson King - A soul divided
45 Tallarn - War for a dead world
46 Ruinstorm - Destiny unwritten...
47 Old Earth - To the Gates of Terra
49 Wolfsbane - The wyrd spear cast
51 Slaves to Darkness - Chaos undivided
53 Titandeath - The final step to Sol
54 The Buried Dagger - Doom of the Death Guard

Some of those are so so or not very good. I'm sure you could probably boil it down even further.

Perditions Flame preview!

Can't wait to get my hands on this one and both books.

Nice little preview


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The Lost And The Damned by Guy Haley.

I don’t mind his writing, but he’s one of the mixed reviews authors right?

Danny76 wrote:
Nice little preview


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The Lost And The Damned by Guy Haley.

I don’t mind his writing, but he’s one of the mixed reviews authors right?

I’d say he’s upper mixed, but does it really matter if you don’t mind his writing?

Random question, but have we heard anything about Black Library’s presence at Adepticon? Enquiring minds and all that.

Danny76 wrote:
Nice little preview


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The Lost And The Damned by Guy Haley.

I don’t mind his writing, but he’s one of the mixed reviews authors right?

I’ve rarely if ever heard anything negative about Guy. Certainly I’ve never read anything by him that wasn’t excellent with the only exception being dark imperium which I don’t really blame him for. I would imagine BL handed him a narrative and told him to fill in the blanks. Guy pumps out multiple high standard novels every year. I think he is superb.

YMMV, I liked his Baneblade and Shadowsword novels, though they are a bit.. depressing at times. I'd still read Hellhammer whenever he gets around to that one.

Still itching to hear when the next / final Imperial Knights novel is going to happen.

 TheGuest wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
I've read his Eldar and Lorgar, the former was risable the latter decent.

My SoT turned up today, fab looking limited edition.

How does it read if you haven't read all the Horus Heresy novels?
And if you haven't read any novels is it a good starting point?
If not which novels are essential for this book?

I have read the first 10 books and some other stuff but I want to jump back directly at the siege of terra but I don't know if it's a good idea...

Thanks!

The current issue of WD has a Horus Heresy reading order guide (part one anyway, part two is in the next issue) which lists the main books to read for the story and then "suggested reading" which lists the books to read if you want to read more about specific chapters\events.

 BrookM wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
on another note did BL remove their "coming soon" bit from their website? that's horriable!

Huh, they did. They also removed it from the GW site, pity as it made planning future purchases all the easier.

Gone for good too it seems.

 reds8n wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
on another note did BL remove their "coming soon" bit from their website? that's horriable!

Huh, they did. They also removed it from the GW site, pity as it made planning future purchases all the easier.

Good for good too it seems.

I wonder if they are confusing the quick sellout of SoT limited edition thinking that the late announcement of the actual weekend it went on sale helped sales rather than it being a highly anticipated new series? I know its a general policy of GW to announce what is onsale as late as possible to encourage impulse buying but I'm a little disappointed that BL seem to have adopted the same approach.

I think they removed the feature from the BL site because otherwise the top bar would be too crowded, seeing as Warhammer Horror got its own button.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
on another note did BL remove their "coming soon" bit from their website? that's horriable!

Huh, they did. They also removed it from the GW site, pity as it made planning future purchases all the easier.

Good for good too it seems.

I wonder if they are confusing the quick sellout of SoT limited edition thinking that the late announcement of the actual weekend it went on sale helped sales rather than it being a highly anticipated new series? I know its a general policy of GW to announce what is onsale as late as possible to encourage impulse buying but I'm a little disappointed that BL seem to have adopted the same approach.

The release date of the SOT limited edition was announced months back (January I think), certainly had it written in my diary for ages.

Tavis75 wrote:
The release date of the SOT limited edition was announced months back (January I think), certainly had it written in my diary for ages.

They put it up and then took it down again a few months before it was released. If you did back through the thread I mentioned it happening so you might be able to track exactly when it happened. When I checked the Warhammer Community article for SoT it only said March, not an exact date. As it was removed from the then pre order page I was concerned that they had moved the release date, we just won't know now till the week of release and they splash it on Warhammer Community.

BrookM wrote:I think they removed the feature from the BL site because otherwise the top bar would be too crowded, seeing as Warhammer Horror got its own button.

I could see that being the reason, but it would be another sad indictment of their web team. What makes me think there might be more to it is that they have deleted the page all together, I can't even browse to the old URL for upcoming releases.

with regards to the horror range, some people have received their books already.

Inside one of them :

Drachenfels
Geneveive (may 2019)
Beasts in velvet (july 2019)
silver nails ( july 2019)

 Looky Likey wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
The release date of the SOT limited edition was announced months back (January I think), certainly had it written in my diary for ages.

They put it up and then took it down again a few months before it was released. If you did back through the thread I mentioned it happening so you might be able to track exactly when it happened. When I checked the Warhammer Community article for SoT it only said March, not an exact date. As it was removed from the then pre order page I was concerned that they had moved the release date, we just won't know now till the week of release and they splash it on Warhammer Community.

BrookM wrote:I think they removed the feature from the BL site because otherwise the top bar would be too crowded, seeing as Warhammer Horror got its own button.

I could see that being the reason, but it would be another sad indictment of their web team. What makes me think there might be more to it is that they have deleted the page all together, I can't even browse to the old URL for upcoming releases.

GW's webteam has always had a bit of questionmark over them. Such as why BL still can't take paypal payments; or why they spent the almost insane amount of money on their website that they did (if I recall right their site was into the millions when they paid for it - I can't even work out how you even start to spend that much on a storefront website)

 Overread wrote:
GW's webteam has always had a bit of questionmark over them. Such as why BL still can't take paypal payments; or why they spent the almost insane amount of money on their website that they did (if I recall right their site was into the millions when they paid for it - I can't even work out how you even start to spend that much on a storefront website)

I might be remembering as it was a while ago but didn't they also upgrade the backend stock system as part of that upgrade? That would normally cost a pretty penny for any large retail organisation. I think the consensus at the time was that they still over paid when accounting for that but then what do you expect when you pick your project head on who they are married to rather than actual IT experience.

 reds8n wrote:
with regards to the horror range, some people have received their books already.

Inside one of them :

Drachenfels
Geneveive (may 2019)
Beasts in velvet (july 2019)
silver nails ( july 2019)

There are some great older novels that fit in the horror area (as above), but I hope they concentrate on getting lots of new stuff out rather than just bringing older stuff back out.
Most weren’t written as horror, and while they have a few aspects of horror, they are still written in a fantasy genre with a horror trickling through.
I want horror with maybe some fantasy dribbled in instead.

Definitely picking up these first three releases, the snippets sounded/read well.
So I shall give them a trt

 reds8n wrote:
with regards to the horror range, some people have received their books already.

Inside one of them :

Drachenfels
Geneveive (may 2019)
Beasts in velvet (july 2019)
silver nails ( july 2019)

I honestly don't know why you'd buy them all individually at full price, when you can routinely find mint condition copies of the omnibus edition that contains all of those for literally pennies plus shipping on Amazon & ebay.

Article on the Horror audio drama: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/27/warhammer-horror-perditions-flame/

Last weekend saw the launch of the first three Warhammer Horror releases. Over the last few weeks, we’ve taken a close look at the short story anthology Maledictions and the portmanteau novel The Wicked and the Damned. Today we’re focusing on the third new release – the audio drama Perdition’s Flame. Here to tell us more about this terrifying tale is Warhammer Horror editor Hannah.

I've always thought the idea of a seperate horror imprint was a bit odd,

Black Library Live is 1st June @ Warhammer World.

I think I'll be going as I'm betting on SoT 2 limited edition being out at the event along with the Primarch book after May's Curze Primarch book, whoever that ends up being.

Interesting that they will be offering advice for prospective authors at the event, hopefully they trying to encourage people who wouldn't normally apply so end up with a more diverse set of writers?

Isn’t iit only the one on one part that’s new there.
They always offer advice and had writing seminars or whatnot..

 Yodhrin wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
with regards to the horror range, some people have received their books already.

Inside one of them :

Drachenfels
Geneveive (may 2019)
Beasts in velvet (july 2019)
silver nails ( july 2019)

I honestly don't know why you'd buy them all individually at full price, when you can routinely find mint condition copies of the omnibus edition that contains all of those for literally pennies plus shipping on Amazon & ebay.

Some of us like shiny new hardback versions of some of our favourite books. Even when we already have the omnibus and original editions too.

Danny76 wrote:
Isn’t iit only the one on one part that’s new there.
They always offer advice and had writing seminars or whatnot..

Informally for one on one yes, but seems to be an advertised service this time?

Black Library wrote:In a first for Black Library Live, you’ll also be able to get direct access to members of Black Library’s expert editorial team for one on one advice on how to write the kind of stories Black Library want. This is an incredible resource for any aspiring writer.

BrianDavion wrote:
I've always thought the idea of a seperate horror imprint was a bit odd,

Me too, I’m not a fan of the idea at all.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Print-on-Demand-Collection-2-2019?utm_campaign=507daf612b-GW_30th_March_Havocs_EN_EU&utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c6e14e39d2-507daf612b-113914489


6-10 of the HH POD series hardbacks.

 reds8n wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Print-on-Demand-Collection-2-2019?utm_campaign=507daf612b-GW_30th_March_Havocs_EN_EU&utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c6e14e39d2-507daf612b-113914489


6-10 of the HH POD series hardbacks.

That's good, missing book 10 from my collection so been waiting for these to appear.