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 Modock wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
The Raicho looks like a walking tank. It fits the form of how I would see morats approaching the construction of a TAG. The only thing I'd want them to do is have an alternate shoulder without the pelt on it.

Yeah, that pelt is such a miss shot.

It's like making a great piece of art and then put a smelly dump on it.

I feel like that's the perfect, fluffy Morat response...
The fluff, anywho, has them putting their trophy pelt from qualifying as a member of the group on their TAG.

Which would be fine for me if it was on the back like the dossier or on the waist. But the asymmetrical look of it being on one shoulder slightly kills me on the inside for what would otherwise be a flawless execution of a Morat TAG for me.

 Kalamadea wrote:
CSU is OK, but that pistol looks overly complicated just for the sake of being complicated (do we really need a bull-pup pistol? I don't think so).

The CSU we currently have has a briefcase gun. With how wacky ths new CSU's pistol looks, I imagine it has some folding mechanism where it's normally disguised as something else. The gun itself looks like the handle folds to cover the muzzle in some manner. It makes sense in-flavor.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Which would be fine for me if it was on the back like the dossier or on the waist. But the asymmetrical look of it being on one shoulder slightly kills me on the inside for what would otherwise be a flawless execution of a Morat TAG for me.

Interesting, I on the other hand hated the pelt on top but was ok with the pelt on the shoulder.

Yes, of course you are.

I would have preferred no pelt at all!

For the Heckler I was expecting a sculpt of BladeRunner2019 or one of the other guys here in the thread

(Sorry! )

Love the new look of the Raicho, definitely a lot more distinctly alien/creepy looking than the previous design.

While it would be hard to be as disappointing as the original Raicho sculpt, this one doesn't appear to be the big leap forward I was hoping for.

Again though, waiting to see it as a mini, and not just a render.

(Fingers crossed!)

 Mysterio wrote:
Yes, of course you are.

I would have preferred no pelt at all!

Likewise, but from the two pelt positions I prefer the shoulder.

But I also prefer the pelt over the mane

Been out off it for a while, what’s aristai ?

An MOBA arena style boardgame, quite fast and enjoyable , started with 8 characters and each expansion added 4 now sits at 16 characters a good base to build teams, but more are to come.

 Formosa wrote:
Been out off it for a while, what’s aristai ?

It is an INFINITY Tabletop Spin-Off. Quite like a MOBA Sport of the future.

So.. Latest snipershot on CB FB page pretty much confirms ALEPH fore Gencon.

Bubbalicious wrote:
So.. Latest snipershot on CB FB page pretty much confirms ALEPH fore Gencon.

Spoiler:

Or it confirms a box of Brawlers, one of whom has ALEPH gear! Or Spector has ALEPH gear!

Etc etc etc

GenCon releases haven't tended to get "snipershotted" before. We'll see a preview at the start of July/end of June, but they'll be those kinds of posters/silhouetted dossiers.

Not saying "You're wrong!" about there being an ALEPH vibe on the gear. Definitely. Just saying that GenCon tends to be done differently for previews

Also remember that we still have two "N"s for releases. GenCon might be an army pack or it might be a battlebox or it'll be done (while the sculpts are gorgeous, the method is a bit disappointing) like Tunguska, which is just the normal starter set.

The waist on the sniper shot indicates its female tho.

There has been one or two snipershots from gencon releases before. Dont remember if it was Redveil or icestorm just that nobody knew what they were until after GenCon. And i cant see them doing snipershots from September releases this early considering GenCon is early this year.

Howe long before GenCon do they usually start with the poster/silhouettes?

They have said it would be a battlebox for gencon. But who knows, things might have changed since then.

Btw, is ther any artwork for Raul? I cant remember having seen any and might have mist it if that is the case.

Bubbalicious wrote:
The waist on the sniper shot indicates its female tho.

There has been one or two snipershots from gencon releases before. Dont remember if it was Redveil or icestorm just that nobody knew what they were until after GenCon. And i cant see them doing snipershots from September releases this early considering GenCon is early this year.

There's been some stuff that tied in to Red Veil/Icestorm that got previewed IIRC. Remember that we usually get a box/blister that tie in with them right after.

Howe long before GenCon do they usually start with the poster/silhouettes?

A month or so. Past few times it's been end of June or right around the 4th of July.

They have said it would be a battlebox for gencon. But who knows, things might have changed since then.

I'm gonna need a definitive source on this. The only thing we know is there are 3 more Sectorials and Bostria said "they might be coming in the more traditional operations box or maybe we do something new who knows...".

And that, mind you, was when they announced Tunguska being just its own starter set. No army pack, no operations box, nothing. Just the starter set.

Btw, is ther any artwork for Raul? I cant remember having seen any and might have mist it if that is the case.

Nope, that's why I brought him up. He's a brand new character who we have no inkling as to how he looks. Just that he lives, he dies, he lives again--and a wealthy as hell guy uses him as a FPS simulation.

Same thing goes for a 'general release' version of Knauf(who actually does have some ALEPH gear on him) now that he's in StarCo.

Bostria said in the cancon seminar video ‘there are 5 sectorials coming but 4 Ns, so that means, GenCon, Battlebox, think about it’. So Gencon being a 2 player Battlebox is basically confirmed.

Bostria also mentions it in the Lhost podcast episode 10 from the end of March around 9:30 in
"There will be a battlebox at gencon with two more armies"

And the the last one would be around October/November

Bubbalicious wrote:
Bostria also mentions it in the Lhost podcast episode 10 from the end of March around 9:30 in
"There will be a battlebox at gencon with two more armies"

And the the last one would be around October/November

Okay, so that cements GenCon as "two more armies".

That does not, however, mean ALEPH will be in it. Speaking for myself, I'm going to be pissed if they take the lazy route and put ALEPH(Vedic) vs Ariadna(Kazaks). It's unimaginative and it goes against their constant, whiny insistence that ALEPH is "too complicated" for a two player starter set.

It's rather notable that they could build off the fluff they just launched for MRRF and have Kazaks vs a new, rebadged Combined Army box that actually is Combined Army. Or go back and do a 'historical refight' of the Tohaa vs Kazaks on Paradiso.

Then you should probably stock up on valium pills in preparations of getting pissed since Vedict vs TAK is the most logical thing to get released at GenCon. (Vedict being one of the sectorials teased for release this year)

About the to complicated thing, they said that once some 3 years ago. How is that constant?
They even teased an ALEPH vs Combined box some two years ago. Its old news and most likely dead at this point.

Bubbalicious wrote:
Then you should probably stock up on valium pills in preparations of getting pissed since Vedict vs TAK is the most logical thing to get released at GenCon. (Vedict being one of the sectorials teased for release this year)

Vedic starter(which is just the vanilla ALEPH starter rebadged if we're going to be frank), Varuna, and TAK.

Now I'm remembering where the issue kept cropping up with this discussion:
The statements Bostria made were to expect a 2 player battlebox for GenCon, not that both sides are going to be new Sectorials.

I kept arguing that because of the fact we're seeing TJC coming out as a starter set rather than as an army pack/2 player box--it leaves the door open for the last "N" to be two starters released in that manner.

About the to complicated thing, they said that once some 3 years ago. How is that constant?

They said it with Red Veil, they said it with Icestorm, they've said it every time the concept of a Tohaa or ALEPH presence in that kind of product was floated. I remember getting shouted at about it on the official forums.

They even teased an ALEPH vs Combined box some two years ago. Its old news and most likely dead at this point.

It was Steel Phalanx specifically versus Combined Army(vanilla), if you want to nitpick. There was a joke that it would have an Avatar versus Achilles.
They also teased O-12(a force they called out specifically as a Sectorial) as something they wanted to do down the road.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Vedic starter(which is just the vanilla ALEPH starter rebadged if we're going to be frank), Varuna, and TAK.

Honestly of the three I think Aleph vs TAK is the most likely - since both of those are easily based around the generic faction starter set whereas we already have a new/updated PanO starter from Icestorm.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Do we know what cybermines do yet?
I assume its some sort of nasty anti-hacker toy

We'll find out in a few weeks when the TJC is officially released - but my guess would be a mine with a damage type that disables technical weapons.

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Vedic starter(which is just the vanilla ALEPH starter rebadged if we're going to be frank), Varuna, and TAK.

Honestly of the three I think Aleph vs TAK is the most likely - since both of those are easily based around the generic faction starter set whereas we already have a new/updated PanO starter from Icestorm.

Yeah, well we're getting another PanO starter for Varuna by all accounts.

I'd lean more towards Vedic getting an Army Pack, Varuna getting a starter by itself, and TAK getting put in with a Druze Bayram/NAA box or a revamped Combined Army set than I would them putting Vedic and TAK together.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Do we know what cybermines do yet?
I assume its some sort of nasty anti-hacker toy

We'll find out in a few weeks when the TJC is officially released - but my guess would be a mine with a damage type that disables technical weapons.

I'm guessing it will be a mine that is nonlethal but puts a model into an Isolated state and disables stuff like MSV/Albedo.

Unless the folks at CB have changed their minds, they will not put ALEPH or Tohaa in a battle box, because they are "advanced" factions. I have seen this stated several times. This leaves Ariadna and Combined to go into the next battle box. Or a Merc force.

I think we will hear something definitive 16 July -- the pre-orde/GenCon deal, just over two weeks before GenCon. Teasers will start a week sooner, four weeks from now. This is the usual pattern.

Aontecimento *explodes* at some point too after GenCon.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Unless the folks at CB have changed their minds, they will not put ALEPH or Tohaa in a battle box, because they are "advanced" factions. I have seen this stated several times. This leaves Ariadna and Combined to go into the next battle box. Or a Merc force.

I think we will hear something definitive 16 July -- the pre-orde/GenCon deal, just over two weeks before GenCon. Teasers will start a week sooner, four weeks from now. This is the usual pattern.

Biggest thing that I think keeps getting glossed over with regards to the idea of Vedic vs TAK?
Remember that these boxes exist to sell other products. A Vedic list to get to 300pts? That ain't much.
A TAK list? That's gonna be a big investment. I'm starting to think that any TAK list is going to be a bit wonky in how it's done, much like how the Shock Army set contains more than 3 Regulars or how Bakunin contains 2 Moderators.

So, proposed TAK starter:

Gives you the last Spetsnaz that we do not have, a Veteran Kazak that can serve as LT and is able to potentially be posed as a 'filler' model in any potential Veteran Kazak box. Tankhunter leaves the last profile(ML) open to be packaged in the box as its 'exclusive' or released as a blister later(because of course they will, since they just announced a repack of the old crummy Autocannon with the new, awesome AP HMG). Veteran Kazaks have long been stated to be linkable with Line Kazaks, so of course they'd do that and make it so the Kazaks in the standalone box will have at least one proxy(or none as the case might be).
Scout with Ojotnik is iconic. E/Mauler gives them some extra "oomph" and lets them sell another Ojotnik model later on.

The reason I keep harping on the idea of Mercenaries is a simple one:
Has nobody else noticed that the Druze Shock Troops box we got is missing a ton of options?
No LGL, no PFaust, no DEP, no CH: Mimetism Sniper--we're short almost a whole second box worth of options. We get a single proxy model with the Chain Colt.
A single box like this:

Brings in a Bashi Bazouk that QK, Ikari, and Druze players would like(Specialist Operative!) and gives you a good chunk of Druze with some various goodies to tie in with the boxed set ones. The only one it leaves out is a DEP model(DEP is only on the Haris profile for some reason?). The only model not usable by QK is the Druze Sniper(for now). A 2 player starter set though can have a few goodies extra in there, and so I'd predict a Tankhunter with Missile Launcher for TAK and the DEP Druze for that side.

Preorder bonus could be Arslan, to get a general release later.

It's all kinda pie in the sky theorying I'll admit, but Druze won't be a "new" faction at that point--and it wouldn't be a starter for one Sectorial but rather for 3.

Kan, why do you feel like there's going to be a new Combined Army set? I've seen you mention it a few times. I'm curious, because as far as I know there's been no indication of anything new for CA in the forseeable future outside of Shas, and we know thats a ways away. Whats your theory? Genuine question.

 jake wrote:
Kan, why do you feel like there's going to be a new Combined Army set? I've seen you mention it a few times. I'm curious, because as far as I know there's been no indication of anything new for CA in the forseeable future outside of Shas, and we know thats a ways away. Whats your theory? Genuine question.

It's a bit of speculation on my part for a 'rebranding' of the current starter into Onyx Contact Force and bringing a new starter out that represents the 'Combined' Army aspect if that makes sense?

The context of the 2 player box quote from Bostria was ‘there’s 5 new sectorials coming and only 4 ‘N’s on the timeline so one of the Ns is a 2 player box’, implies to me that 2 of the new sectorials are coming together in the starter.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The context of the 2 player box quote from Bostria was ‘there’s 5 new sectorials coming and only 4 ‘N’s on the timeline so one of the Ns is a 2 player box’, implies to me that 2 of the new sectorials are coming together in the starter.

I would have to rewatch it, but I'm 99% sure that he did not specifically call out one of the Ns as a 2 player box. I believe the wording was that "one of the Ns would be two sectorials released at the same time" and people ran with the 2 player box speculation. And at the time of the video, Tunguska hadn't come out yet or been confirmed as a just normal starter set.

Well the two previous 2-player starters had a mercenary unit that was playable by one of the two factions, but available to others as well.

If it is indeed Vedic vs TAK, then what mercenary could it be, and which side would it be attached to?



As for the rebranding of the CA starter... well, i dunno. I kinda think they like the idea that the faction generic starter also doubles as a sectorial starter because it saves on SKU space. So the CA starter doubling as the Onyx starter makes sense in that regard, same goes for White Banner and Ramuh. The two in Icestorm I'm not so sure about - they're a little too generic, so i can see the argument that Varuna could also bring a revamp there.

We'll have a better idea of their intentions if/when this next battlebox comes out.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
Kan, why do you feel like there's going to be a new Combined Army set? I've seen you mention it a few times. I'm curious, because as far as I know there's been no indication of anything new for CA in the forseeable future outside of Shas, and we know thats a ways away. Whats your theory? Genuine question.

It's a bit of speculation on my part for a 'rebranding' of the current starter into Onyx Contact Force and bringing a new starter out that represents the 'Combined' Army aspect if that makes sense?

That does make sense. I was thinking the same thing a year or two ago, but now i'm leaning toward the idea that some armies (Combined Army, Haqq, possibly new Ariadna) might just have to make do with a faction starter that doubles as a sectorial starter. On the other hand, I'd love to see a CA starter with EI Constructs, Morats, Shavastii and Sygmaa all represented.