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I'm expecting Dakinis to be slightly different, given that we're now at "Dakini 2.0".

Al i know is that i have to buy one box for myself since i already own almost everything ALEPH and im painting TAK as we speak so im rather exited to see whats what and how does it work.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

They definitely should have added more mixed fireteam options for existing lists. Its a legit gripe. PanO particularly has some pretty boring fireteam options compared to all the mixing & matching everyone else can do.

However, I wouldnt go so far as to call it power creep just yet.

I will, and will continue to do so. It's not just the mixed fireteams, the weapons that are left out of places where they would have fit, or the equipment and skills that get left out.

It's the lessening of bloat and the addition of these revised/new units. Compare a Securitate to a Fusilier or even a Wildcat. It shows either a lack of competence in balancing profiles or a flagrant disregard for doing so, period.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting Dakinis to be slightly different, given that we're now at "Dakini 2.0".

Honestly I’m just expecting that to be a reference to them being resculpted, but we’ll see if they get any changes on the profile.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting Dakinis to be slightly different, given that we're now at "Dakini 2.0".

Honestly I’m just expecting that to be a reference to them being resculpted, but we’ll see if they get any changes on the profile.

Yeah, and nobody expected Securitate to lose their LSGs, Sixth Senses, or Repeaters to become linkable.

I'm expecting the loss of CH: Mimetism as a potential thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting Dakinis to be slightly different, given that we're now at "Dakini 2.0".

Honestly I’m just expecting that to be a reference to them being resculpted, but we’ll see if they get any changes on the profile.

Yeah, and nobody expected Securitate to lose their LSGs, Sixth Senses, or Repeaters to become linkable.

I'm expecting the loss of CH: Mimetism as a potential thing.

Given they're remotes and at -3 to dodge I hope not.

 .Mikes. wrote:

Given they're remotes and at -3 to dodge I hope not.

Ah, but you forget that they've been adding new rules!

No CH: Mimetism, instead Deflective Carapace where they can't be crit or some other nonsense.

I can’t remember the timing from previous years, but with us getting the teasers this week, does that mean next week will be a Beasts of War Infinity week where we get to see everything properly, or is it longer between them normally?

It gets moved up if we get a leak.

Any idea when these will b9it retail?

Monday we'll see something concrete about pre-order etc. The box should be in stores by the end of September... theoretically.

Dakinis and an Asuras are certainly there. I'm thinking the Naga hacker is now female and the deva is now male. However, I was thinking no way the Vedic will be in the box, because CB said...

I'll wait for the Vedic starter unless the box only mini is super awetastic and I can get the box on a nice Black Friday discount like I did with Red Veil.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:

Given they're remotes and at -3 to dodge I hope not.

Ah, but you forget that they've been adding new rules!

No CH: Mimetism, instead Deflective Carapace where they can't be crit or some other nonsense.

In that case there's no reason for them not to fix the coating on the asura.

I'm not sure how power creepy it is for TAK to be stronger than USARF, the russian troops have always been stupidly strong compared to other ariadnans - if they stayed that way it would just be consistent.


re: danavas, i heard that dakini fireteams would require danavas to form. so like 1-2 danavas + 2-3 dakini, for eg.

I will be tickled pink if both TAK and Vedic get "Red Veiled" with IOU sectorials.

 Micky wrote:
I'm not sure how power creepy it is for TAK to be stronger than USARF, the russian troops have always been stupidly strong compared to other ariadnans - if they stayed that way it would just be consistent.

When there's the potential for things to be copy/pasted from USARF with an extra skill tacked on or as we've already seen with the Spetsnaz and have long seen with the Autocannon and Tankhunter?

It's one thing for their troops to be "stupidly strong"(which hasn't actually been true outside of the Spetsnaz, arguably the Veteran Kazak, and Tankhunter I might add)--it's another thing entirely for them to just be USARF+1. The rumored "Redjack"(a Blackjack, a thing ONLY employed by USARF, rebadged from what's been bandied about) is a prime example of this.

re: danavas, i heard that dakini fireteams would require danavas to form. so like 1-2 danavas + 2-3 dakini, for eg.

That rumor started off an idea that was thrown around on the official forums of something that we now know is the way the Puppetmasters work for Tunguska.

Honestly, I'd expect some kind of weird G: Syncish Fireteam.

 Micky wrote:
I'm not sure how power creepy it is for TAK to be stronger than USARF, the russian troops have always been stupidly strong compared to other ariadnans - if they stayed that way it would just be consistent.


re: danavas, i heard that dakini fireteams would require danavas to form. so like 1-2 danavas + 2-3 dakini, for eg.

Aren’t the Russians supposed to be the most powerful faction within Arianda per the fluff?
I really have no interest anyway, so doesn’t bother me

Yes, that's what he wrote.

Sometimes fluff =/= tabletop, but this time...

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Micky wrote:
I'm not sure how power creepy it is for TAK to be stronger than USARF, the russian troops have always been stupidly strong compared to other ariadnans - if they stayed that way it would just be consistent.


re: danavas, i heard that dakini fireteams would require danavas to form. so like 1-2 danavas + 2-3 dakini, for eg.

Aren’t the Russians supposed to be the most powerful faction within Arianda per the fluff?
I really have no interest anyway, so doesn’t bother me

It's a kind of yes/no thing.

On paper the Ariadna government(which is where TAK comes in) control everything major in terms of outside trade. They have a major spaceport, teseum manufacturing, diplomatic institutions, all the works.
When it comes down to it though, the various nations have each done their own thing.
Merovingia has established a massive spaceport of their own with the aid of Haqqislam and the Nomads, they have a Nomad diplomatic mission in their territory along with a Haqqislamite mission, they're basically given the Anaconda Squadron on permanent loan, and they've established a massive network of offworld contacts. Their backing by O12 during Paradiso is what led to the creation of the Ariadnan Expeditionary Force, a mixed bag of everyone barring USARF personnel since there was an Antipode issue in their region.

Caledonia has been secreting stockpiles of teseum to trade with outside powers via the Nomads and Haqqislam. They're also using it, seemingly, as a way to get O12 to back them whenever the Druze make a move. It's kind of weird to discuss Caledonia though, since their "rise" is tied to Merovingia helping establish the Scots Guard and ensuring they played a part in the AEF.

USAriadna has a massive manufacturing capability and were producing the "Buffalo" Powered Armour(Blackjacks!) in their home turf with no real meaningful aid from the other Ariadnan factions. They needed resources to manufacture with, but otherwise they're fairly self-sufficient. They seem to have prioritized building a society before anything else.

Disappointed that this likely means Yu Jing is getting the final sectorial in 2018.

I wanted Haqq to get a sectorial for all those homeless units they can only take in gross vanilla lists.

Ariadna didn’t need any more attention.

Russians getting their own mechanised lo-tech troopers (or, hell, a lo-tech TAG) is I think a sure thing, absolutely guaranteed to happen. Honestly, i think they will only get 1-2 new units, the rest all exist already.

For the time being I think USARF will have the exclusives on motorbikes and g:sync, and AD too to some extent (shared with FRRM). TAK has the spetznas sure, but its a token AD at best, compared to rangers, paracommandos, or the named characters.



At the moment I feel like power creep is mostly isolated into the combinations of mixed fireteams, because pretty much everything since HSN3 has just made fireteams more and more varied in composition, to the point where old sectorials are pedestrian by comparison.

 Micky wrote:
Russians getting their own mechanised lo-tech troopers (or, hell, a lo-tech TAG) is I think a sure thing, absolutely guaranteed to happen. Honestly, i think they will only get 1-2 new units, the rest all exist already.

For the time being I think USARF will have the exclusives on motorbikes and g:sync, and AD too to some extent (shared with FRRM). TAK has the spetznas sure, but its a token AD at best, compared to rangers, paracommandos, or the named characters.

The sad part is that Tartary was supposed to be where the Desperadoes went. TAK was going to have Impetuous units aplenty while USARF had the disciplined side of things.

The part you're seeming to miss with regards to the Spetsnaz is the whole "Marksmanship L2" and CH: Mimetism.

At the moment I feel like power creep is mostly isolated into the combinations of mixed fireteams, because pretty much everything since HSN3 has just made fireteams more and more varied in composition, to the point where old sectorials are pedestrian by comparison.

That's cool, but I don't. We're getting new skills like Fatality, Full Auto, etc in new sectorials but not old ones. Full Auto was basically tailor made for the Blackjacks and TAGs.

TAG, schmag. Give me a massive Dog Warrior.

 Kanluwen wrote:


The part you're seeming to miss with regards to the Spetsnaz is the whole "Marksmanship L2" and CH: Mimetism.

Oh for sure, I'm not ignoring that. But people mostly go for the marker state and heavy weapons, rather than the AD1 (i admit, this could very well change with greater AVA).

Like, its not an iconic AD troop, whereas the others all are.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Disappointed that this likely means Yu Jing is getting the final sectorial in 2018.

I wanted Haqq to get a sectorial for all those homeless units they can only take in gross vanilla lists.

Ariadna didn’t need any more attention.

I think Varuna will be the last one of 2018, with IA and Ramah next year. Even with Ramah, there’ll still be some Haqq stuff that you can only take in Vanilla.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Disappointed that this likely means Yu Jing is getting the final sectorial in 2018.

I wanted Haqq to get a sectorial for all those homeless units they can only take in gross vanilla lists.

Ariadna didn’t need any more attention.

I think Varuna will be the last one of 2018, with IA and Ramah next year. Even with Ramah, there’ll still be some Haqq stuff that you can only take in Vanilla.

That stuff is all in Khanate though isn't it? Leaves one last sectorial for Haqq fluffwise, same as how YJ and PanO have their Svalarheima forces in vanilla only. Plus, Kazak players have been playing the "unofficial sectorial" for years, even before USAriadna was even a thing, surely they can have their sectorial? Ramah can do exactly the same, and it's not like you'll be waiting too long anyway. Not like the Yu Jing players who want a sectorial that isn't ISS, for example...

Yup...something loud and heavy is coming.

Calling it now, it's the Kazak TAG. Armour is sleeker than a Blackjack, judging by the missile pods it's bigger than a Blackjack, there looks to be a hatch between the missiles, and there's what could be a pilot arm underneath the left arm. It fits in with the fluff far better than shoehorning in a "Redjack" and makes a bit more sense in terms of sectorial diversity, although it seems strange being in a 2 player box

Regardless of if it's HI or a TAG, it also has the bonus of evening out points in the box. Lets them put an Asura in and keep them even

 Rygnan wrote:
Calling it now, it's the Kazak TAG. Armour is sleeker than a Blackjack, judging by the missile pods it's bigger than a Blackjack, there looks to be a hatch between the missiles, and there's what could be a pilot arm underneath the left arm. It fits in with the fluff far better than shoehorning in a "Redjack" and makes a bit more sense in terms of sectorial diversity, although it seems strange being in a 2 player box

Regardless of if it's HI or a TAG, it also has the bonus of evening out points in the box. Lets them put an Asura in and keep them even

Doesn't look a whole hell of a lot bigger than the Blackjack from its dossier. It doesn't seem too strange being in a 2 player box since it goes along with Red Veil's bit of "one side gets a S5 HI, the other doesn't that Beyond Icestorm put in as well.

Good to see them keeping the nonsensical tradition of "IT NEEDS A BLADED WEAPON TOO!!1!"...
Worth noting that "Ratnik" is apparently Russian for "Warrior".

It's a hammer and a sickle, all at once!!1!!~1!!!