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2018/10/14 18:07:54
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Grey Templar wrote: Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.
Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.
Ignoring all the stuff about population (because we've had that argument before), Ekranoplans are huge. In terms of aircraft rather than GEVs, it's more like a fleet of 30-40 military transports in capacity.
But why would any armed wing transport enough of their troops in a single shot that a crash would make that wing inoperational? Yes, training time may be required, which is why you train constantly, to have a pool of recruits at all time. For comparison, Jamaica has a 2.4 million population, an armed force of about 3000 personnel, but an available pool of immediatly fit for service individuals in the 50 000s. And obviously, Jamaica doesnt have Antipodes, isnt nearly has hostile has Dawn, and doesnt train citizenry militia and outfit them with grenade launchers and HMGs. Merovingia should have been much better prepared for something like this.
Even if we go by the idea that the FRRM represents only a small contingent of the Merovigian army, again, the Jamaican Navy counts less than 250 personnel and 3 or 4 ships. Do you really think Jamaica will throw its hands in the air and say "well, looks like we wont have any Navy for the next 10 years!" If one of those boats hit a rock and sinks?
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
2018/10/14 19:09:57
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Infinity writing just...isn't very good. I didn't really notice until Uprising as I tend to skim read game book background unless something really grabs me.
Still love the game and the feel of the universe for the most part, but digging in to specific elements of the story is never going to go well.
2018/10/14 19:45:41
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
That's sarcasm. I notice you didn't say crap about the fact they're trying to flog the Noctifers as new though.
I don't reply to you and your hate messages simply because you're so out of line it's not funny, it's actually very sad.
You burn too much energy hating this game while there could be so many positive things to do instead.
I don't see the point to engage you or your anger, I was just told by some friends to come and look at a trainwreck.
plastictrees wrote: Infinity writing just...isn't very good. I didn't really notice until Uprising as I tend to skim read game book background unless something really grabs me.
Still love the game and the feel of the universe for the most part, but digging in to specific elements of the story is never going to go well.
Agreed, the more you get into the fluff, the worse it becomes, unfortunately.
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2018/10/14 20:18:42
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Agreed, the more you get into the fluff, the worse it becomes, unfortunately.
Welcome to sci fi. It requires some credulity. All agreed? Good, now let's move back to any news.
Just because you are fine with mediocre writing and storytelling doesn't mean we have to be too by default. This story could have easily been completely "non sci-fi", removed all the mentions of aliens, nanoclouds, akroplanes and etc. This could have been a WWII story, containing exactly the same elements, toward the same end, and it would still have been completely moronic.
And it wasn't necessary. The only thing that matters in the Scenario Pack was the last page with the updated Sectorial. Just come out honestly, "look at the stats, FRRM doesn't sell well by a good margin, so we won't support it anymore, here's an updated army list for ya'll frenchie hipsters".
Otherwise you might have well just have a scenario pack about Margot having to bring Duroc behind the woodshed because he wet the sofa again.
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
2018/10/15 01:04:41
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Agreed, the more you get into the fluff, the worse it becomes, unfortunately.
Welcome to sci fi. It requires some credulity. All agreed? Good, now let's move back to any news.
Nah, that’s a weak generalization. It’s not unreasonable to point out that Infinity suffers from poor writing, as if no one has ever been able to write well. There’s plenty of sci-fi written by people who enjoy researching historical or contemporary counterparts to extrapolate how future generations might function... especially with a universe like Infinity’s, where the time jump isn’t that extreme.
If you’re going to take the time and effort to flesh out the universe, the end result should enhance the experience, not distract from it.
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Nah, that’s a weak generalization. It’s not unreasonable to point out that Infinity suffers from poor writing, as if no one has ever been able to write well. There’s plenty of sci-fi written by people who enjoy researching historical or contemporary counterparts to extrapolate how future generations might function... especially with a universe like Infinity’s, where the time jump isn’t that extreme.
Oh there's plenty of great sci fi grounded in real science.
But not in games.
If accepted laws of how the universe worked were applied, no sf game wouldn't exist.
Talking about fluff and lore is fun - even when people take a sideswipe at your standards - but please take it elsewhere. This thead is for the news, not about getting judgemental over how a game doesn't suite someone's particular standards on literature.
The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
2018/10/15 02:01:25
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Grey Templar wrote: Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.
Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.
Ignoring all the stuff about population (because we've had that argument before), Ekranoplans are huge. In terms of aircraft rather than GEVs, it's more like a fleet of 30-40 military transports in capacity.
But why would any armed wing transport enough of their troops in a single shot that a crash would make that wing inoperational? Yes, training time may be required, which is why you train constantly, to have a pool of recruits at all time. For comparison, Jamaica has a 2.4 million population, an armed force of about 3000 personnel, but an available pool of immediatly fit for service individuals in the 50 000s. And obviously, Jamaica doesnt have Antipodes, isnt nearly has hostile has Dawn, and doesnt train citizenry militia and outfit them with grenade launchers and HMGs. Merovingia should have been much better prepared for something like this.
Even if we go by the idea that the FRRM represents only a small contingent of the Merovigian army, again, the Jamaican Navy counts less than 250 personnel and 3 or 4 ships. Do you really think Jamaica will throw its hands in the air and say "well, looks like we wont have any Navy for the next 10 years!" If one of those boats hit a rock and sinks?
No. But if Jamaica had just lost a significant portion of their small military and were under constant threat form local wildlife, foreign encroachment and alien Infiltrators they probably would send a significant amount of their remaining troops off to join multi-national offensives on other planets.
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plastictrees wrote: Infinity writing just...isn't very good. I didn't really notice until Uprising as I tend to skim read game book background unless something really grabs me.
Still love the game and the feel of the universe for the most part, but digging in to specific elements of the story is never going to go well.
I disagree. Infinity's writing has had some problems, but its mostly been just fine. the problem here is that the fiction of Infinity is meant to be a collection of anecdotes, quotes, overviews and statements that suggest a larger universe, not a point by point narrative that meticulously details every single event of the Infinity universe. But fans keep trying to read it that way, and think that missing information indicates plot holes and errors. I think its better to think of Infinity's fiction as an incomplete collection of letters, newscasts, opinions and reports (which is explicitly how its always been presented) and not as a complete and meticulous history.
jake wrote: Unfortunately that trailer doesn't say much, aside from mentioning Combined Army, Varuna, Tartary, OSS and Invincible army. That seems to imply a new CA sectorial, but it still seems to early for Shasvastii. Maybe a vanilla CA overhaul? It could certainly use it. The army is full of great stuff, but it often doesn't work well together.
There are some rumours that we will see some MAF update with this book and the same source said that MO will be updated and CB already confirmed MO update.
So you can hope . Also one of the teaser spoke about Ko Dali, so maybe she will see some changes too.
Tommorow we will have more information about Third offensive content.
That would make me really happy. I was pretty disappointed with the MAF changes in HS, and have been hoping for some updates ever since. At the time Carlos said that they weren't sure if they'd ever do any more work on MAF, but if they did it would be a long way off.I guess this qualifies.
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2018/10/15 03:37:15
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Kovnik Obama wrote: And it wasn't necessary. The only thing that matters in the Scenario Pack was the last page with the updated Sectorial. Just come out honestly, "look at the stats, FRRM doesn't sell well by a good margin, so we won't support it anymore, here's an updated army list for ya'll frenchie hipsters".
It was never about sales numbers and I really do not understand why people still assume FRRM is shelved forever.
2018/10/15 04:08:59
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Kovnik Obama wrote: And it wasn't necessary. The only thing that matters in the Scenario Pack was the last page with the updated Sectorial. Just come out honestly, "look at the stats, FRRM doesn't sell well by a good margin, so we won't support it anymore, here's an updated army list for ya'll frenchie hipsters".
It was never about sales numbers and I really do not understand why people still assume FRRM is shelved forever.
The 3 sectorials that were shelved were the 3 less sold ones, and by a good margin. FRRM was about 1/3 as popular as the average sectorials.
Like an idiot, I started Bakunin last month, just before checking the stats, and after Aconcetimento its the least sold one. At least they came out with Taskmasters and a new Zoe & Pi-well sculpt recently, so its probably safer. Except they also both became available to StarCo, which seems to be taking some of the design space of Bakunin.
As to why I assume FRRM to be permashelved, its because its hard to see what could be done down the line that wouldnt have been entirely possible to do right now. If it was really just an SKU problem, then retire the Para-commandos, the Metros and some other dated sculpts from the Ariadna range. FRRM was conceptually bloated despite having the least amount of available profiles, because they were all waaaaay too similar. Retire some of their more clunky profiles, and give them access to some other, modified Ariadnese profiles, like the Blackjack and the Mavericks. Less SKUs, anyone who really wanted a Paracommando or Metros already have 5 of them, and they get to redefine and modernise the FRRM. But thats not a cost cutting option, not in comparison to just shelving the least popular faction.
And given that Ariadna just had 2 sectorials done, I doubt we are not at the complete bottom of the rotation. To me, no FRRM for the next 12 years is pretty much exactly the same as no FRRM at all anymore....
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
2018/10/15 08:31:37
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Neither Zoe or Taskmasters are available to Starco, CB has stated all ranges are going to be in a rolling production, stopped for some time with some tweaks and an update and then reintroduced down the line with a proper update, its the same for FRRM and the same for Acontecimento.
I am not sure where you get sales numbers, if you mistake sales numbers with sectorials been played in ITS, it is not always the same.
Who said anything about 12 years by the way?
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2018/10/15 10:13:46
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
My understanding is the MRRF and ASA armies will continue to be playable, and the rules will stay in Army and on the site. Right? its just the models that are going away? That means that anyone who wants to play them still can, even if they have to proxy models or hunt down out of print models (which often isn't very hard, but of course will get harder with time).
I think it remains to be seen whether either army will come back. As was already mentioned, CB said that they will be on rotation and may (will?) come back in the future,a nd that this will happen to other models as well. But we all know plans change, and even if thats what CB plans right now, that might change in a year or two. But I think its equally possible that we could see either of these ranges (or any other ranges that go into "rotation" return in the following ways:
- Re-released models with an updated army list (ASA is a great candidate for this at some point in the future).
- An updated range with an updated army list (MRRF is an ideal candidate).
- Re-released models returning for a limited amount of time. CB can reprint models whenever they want, making it easy to offer an army pack, a bundle deal or simply making the range available again for a season or while supplies last.
If armies really do start to go on "rotation", then the third option makes a lot of sense. Having a constant rotation of armies that will only be available while supplies last isn't so bad, especially if you know that if you miss them this time you can get them next time they come around.
2018/10/15 10:37:50
Subject: Re:The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Grey Templar wrote: Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.
Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.
Barzam wrote: Maybe the Helot Resistance will be a mercenary subfaction usable by any army except PanO? It would be nice for CA to have more mercenary options.
Is it possible they are a tohaa uplift race?
Its always possible, but most likely not. The places where the Tohaa have been meddling usually have some hinting at it. Varuna has no mentions of Tohaa presence that I can find even in the RPG material.
The Helots explicitly are Tohaa uplifts.
The Tohaa colony Oomnya was evacuated (largely because of the failure of the Helot uplift to produce results) and the Digestor transported off world. That digestor was the one intercepted by the Triumvirate and left on Paradiso as a snare for the CA/human conflict.
I figured; They basically MUST be. The general rule in infinity has always been that all the alien races are either part of or the result of Tohaa or CA influence.
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PsychoticStorm wrote: I doubt Ariadna would raise to such population levels, Ariana was the first of the two ships the one that carried the infrastructure, Aurora was the ship carrying the main settlers force, in 100 something years, with all the hardships hostile Antipodes and the internal conflict a few million population is about right if not exceeding expectations, especially if the governments of Dawn have not "enforced" some form of breeding program to rapidly expand the population, something that can be complicated by lack of infrastructure to support a big population, since the main settlers force was missing and the planet proved to be more hostile than expected, Agriculture and livestock breeding expansion necessary to sustain an expanding population may be hit.
Now I understand the criticism and some things could have been better explained, the 3 ekranoplanes were huge, if they were not shot down by a vastly technologically superior force, that should not be there, they would vastly outnumber the combined forces, the survivors of three burning crash landings is another story.
While it seems odd at first to fly fast and without much precaution over the area, CA was not supposed to be in any significant numbers anywhere outside the Paradiso system and as far as the human sphere is concerned the nanite clouds infesting the region make any form of AA impossible and nanite clouds have not been used on Paradiso to know if CA forces are affected or not by such technology.
Now from what I know a force sustaining 1/3rd of its forces as casualties is deemed unfit for service and must be either disbanded or be extensively reinforced and retrained before it is deemed fit for duty, FRRM does not represent the entirety of Merovigian forces, but the pinnacle of the Merovigian forces, there are undoubtedly some small formations of FRRM still active out there and the Merovigian armed forces scattered around the Ariadna armed forces were not in the incident, but the well trained work close together units that are the core of FRRM have sustained enouph casualties to force the concept of FRRM to be in restructuring.
Now, the incident is both covered up (candy cloud) and downplayed because Ariadnas believe, probably rightfully so, that the big two will use it as an excuse to deploy significant military assets on the planet, not necessarily to e used against the CA forces and the CA incursion while proven devastating in an ambush does not seem to be uncontainable so far.
Hope this helps.
Correct. We're not talking about GW Space Marines here
Sustaining significant casualties like 1/3 of their total numbers in practical terms means their wiped out for most real military outfits.
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Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2018/10/15 12:22:00
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Grey Templar wrote: Corvus Belli's number for Ariadna are WAAAAAAYYYYYY off being realistic.
Realistically, Ariadna should have hundreds of millions to maybe a little over a billion population, instead of the 8.5 million CB gives. Otherwise there is no way they could maintain their current level of technology. 3 planes would in no way wipe out the MRRF, which is the main military force of an entire faction on Dawn. Even if they are the smallest force.
Ignoring all the stuff about population (because we've had that argument before), Ekranoplans are huge. In terms of aircraft rather than GEVs, it's more like a fleet of 30-40 military transports in capacity.
But why would any armed wing transport enough of their troops in a single shot that a crash would make that wing inoperational? Yes, training time may be required, which is why you train constantly, to have a pool of recruits at all time. For comparison, Jamaica has a 2.4 million population, an armed force of about 3000 personnel, but an available pool of immediatly fit for service individuals in the 50 000s. And obviously, Jamaica doesnt have Antipodes, isnt nearly has hostile has Dawn, and doesnt train citizenry militia and outfit them with grenade launchers and HMGs. Merovingia should have been much better prepared for something like this.
Even if we go by the idea that the FRRM represents only a small contingent of the Merovigian army, again, the Jamaican Navy counts less than 250 personnel and 3 or 4 ships. Do you really think Jamaica will throw its hands in the air and say "well, looks like we wont have any Navy for the next 10 years!" If one of those boats hit a rock and sinks?
As said above. No, they wouldnt throw their hands up, stop trying, & curse God and die. But they also wouldnt be committing forces to fly to the other bloody side of the galaxy.
It's not great, but it makes enough sense.
I don't see why everyone is so up in arms over this. MRRF was already in a bad place & needed an overhaul that CB was clearly not willing to undergo.
Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing
2018/10/15 12:49:43
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
As said above. No, they wouldnt throw their hands up, stop trying, & curse God and die. But they also wouldnt be committing forces to fly to the other bloody side of the galaxy. It's not great, but it makes enough sense.
I don't see why everyone is so up in arms over this. MRRF was already in a bad place & needed an overhaul that CB was clearly not willing to undergo.
Then just say that. Don't make up nonsense to try to justify it.
The lore used to justify this made no sense in the first place. "Random starlet turned reporter finds evidence of potential massive incursion by Onyx Contact Force, forces get sent to rescue her. Nothing goes wrong"(USARF v. OCF Dire Foes set is what kicks the events off) "Scouts then get sent in, scouts being what turns out to be an excessive amount of light infantry based forces committed in giant honking transports over unsecured terrain potentially infested with a superior outfitted hostile alien force".
Yeah, Merovingia specializes in "rapid response"...they also specialize(well, specialized) in not being idiots. Their training regimen is what created the Ariadnan Expeditionary Force for Paradiso, the Scots-Guard, and they more or less provided security for the road systems on Dawn.
Great to see another faction doing something completely out of character to justify some of the sillier lore plots they make up as part of sales.
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The Infinite wrote: Is that a new Line Kazak box as well, or did I miss that release?
It's new. It hadn't come out yet. We've had renders for it, Beyond Coldfront, and the Dakinis box for awhile.
Not incentive enough to worry about or pre-order for!
The model itself is good and the profile puts a bullet in the head of the argument that "power creep isn't a thing in Infinity!".
The sad part is that it looks like this is going to be one of the units coming out for the Triumvirate Sectorial that's been rumored and now a profile is locked as a preorder bonus.
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2018/10/15 13:11:11
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
The lore used to justify this made no sense in the first place.
"Random starlet turned reporter finds evidence of potential massive incursion by Onyx Contact Force, forces get sent to rescue her. Nothing goes wrong"(USARF v. OCF Dire Foes set is what kicks the events off)
"Scouts then get sent in, scouts being what turns out to be an excessive amount of light infantry based forces committed in giant honking transports over unsecured terrain potentially infested with a superior outfitted hostile alien force".
Yeah, Merovingia specializes in "rapid response"...they also specialize(well, specialized) in not being idiots. Their training regimen is what created the Ariadnan Expeditionary Force for Paradiso, the Scots-Guard, and they more or less provided security for the road systems on Dawn.
Great to see another faction doing something completely out of character to justify some of the sillier lore plots they make up as part of sales.
Candy's rescue didn't indicate any form of permanent base on Dawn or more importantly on Novvy Chimeria, were the group was going for, to do what it is supposed to do Rapid Response to the Kurage Crisis.
I see you gloss over that of course Kazaks are the controllers of Aridanas extra-system politics and they are the leaders of the expeditionary force, of course they would have Kazak formations with them on Paradiso.
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2018/10/15 14:52:04
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Knight wrote: Can someone give me TL, DR, really wish there'd be English subs...
Basically:
Tikbalangs get Duo
Orcs get Core, Haris and AVA4.
Rao is Wildcard for Link purposes
Regulars get Core+Specials.
Bagh-Mari can link with Machinists.
Montesa Knights are dead as it stands. They're completely revamped into their Biker format, which "you'll have to read Third Offensive to find out why!"(spoiler: it'll be a stupid reason. ). Bikers are in MO, VIRD, and SAA.
2018/10/15 15:11:40
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
Narrative scenarios for SAA on Paradiso
New Montessa rework, biker Knights actually looks to be a big improvement (honestly, I only ever saw the LGL version in games) including a specialist (take a guess if they're WIP 12 or 13, both are listed). Boost to CC and MA2, combined with CH:Mimetism and a DACCW, lose Assault (they've got a bike) and BS, but gain ARM.
Rao is a wildcard for fireteams.
Bagh Mari can bring Machinists in their fireteams.
Tikbalang can Duo.
2018/10/15 15:42:01
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
The Montessa Knights you have can still stand-in for dismounted Knights. Chances are, we're going to get a pack similar to Kum/Aragoto/etc with just two bikes in a box and no dismounted figure.
It's just going to be a bit weird considering the modern SAA starter comes with a Knight with Spitfire. You can disguise the old mini's Combi Rifle as a MULTI Rifle, but neither has a Boarding Shotgun or anything resembling it right now.
Biker Knights somewhat make sense for Aconticimento's Terrain. Seems good. It fills a SE Asia WWII and Knight-on-Horse theme splendidly. I really hope the model will be an ATV.
2018/10/15 16:09:04
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
I found gaining ARM to go up to 4 a bit surprising. I assumed they were going to be in slimmed down armour to make a bike more believable, but it could well be a quad or something similar.
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
2018/10/15 16:39:27
Subject: The Infinity News and Rumors Thread - The 2018 Edition
. Also one of the teaser spoke about Ko Dali, so maybe she will see some changes too.
). Bikers are in