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 jake wrote:
I don't really understand where the hatred for the Montessa Bike concept is coming from. It doesn't seem out of place in Infinity at all. The stuff Infinity is inspired by is full of bulky robots and armored suits on bikes too. The idea also seems to explicitly fit the Montessa fluff of being a mechanized fast response unit. I don't understand the extreme reaction here at all. Heavy Infantry on motorcycle seems to be one of the less outlandish things in a game full of outlandish things.

Or to put it another way, a lot of people upset about the knights on bikes got hugely excited about Russian Space Werewolfs with Rocket Hammers.

Or to put it another way, you're misrepresenting a lot of the "upset" regarding them.

Russian Space Werewolves already existed. Space Werewolves are an element that all of the Ariadnan factions have shared amongst them, and we've seen a few Human+Space Werewolf setups at this point. They added a new weapon in the form of the Trench Hammer, which seems right now to be a TAK thing.

Montesa Knights existed before. They're mechanized units that were part of the Shock Army. We knew about them and we knew what they're about.
But there had never been mentions of them as part of VIRD. They have a base on Varuna(apparently, I still haven't seen any indications. Claim is that it's in the RPG which means it's been shoehorned in likely), but VIRD had never had them called out as anything to do with them. And that is where a good amount of the "upset" is coming from. It's not strictly "Oh noes, Knights on Motorcycles! HORRIBLE!!!11!!".

It's that:
a) A Knight unit has been jammed into a Sectorial that looked like it would be the first one free of Knights. That had myself and some others actually excited. I liked NCA because we didn't have Knights in it, then we had the Blackfriar put in rather than a rework of the Auxilia to give it a similar purpose.
b) Said Knight unit was one that already existed. It's now completely been reworked to have bikes...so the Knights that already are getting jammed into VIRD now are getting jammed in there with bikes, because of course PanO needs a bike unit right?

If you can't see why people would be upset over a unit being jammed in when it feels against the theme, let alone when said unit is also getting jammed in with a bike(which many seem to feel fits the theme even less)? Then I can't help you.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
I don't really understand where the hatred for the Montessa Bike concept is coming from. It doesn't seem out of place in Infinity at all. The stuff Infinity is inspired by is full of bulky robots and armored suits on bikes too. The idea also seems to explicitly fit the Montessa fluff of being a mechanized fast response unit. I don't understand the extreme reaction here at all. Heavy Infantry on motorcycle seems to be one of the less outlandish things in a game full of outlandish things.

Or to put it another way, a lot of people upset about the knights on bikes got hugely excited about Russian Space Werewolfs with Rocket Hammers.

Or to put it another way, you're misrepresenting a lot of the "upset" regarding them.

Russian Space Werewolves already existed. Space Werewolves are an element that all of the Ariadnan factions have shared amongst them, and we've seen a few Human+Space Werewolf setups at this point. They added a new weapon in the form of the Trench Hammer, which seems right now to be a TAK thing.

Montesa Knights existed before. They're mechanized units that were part of the Shock Army. We knew about them and we knew what they're about.
But there had never been mentions of them as part of VIRD. They have a base on Varuna(apparently, I still haven't seen any indications. Claim is that it's in the RPG which means it's been shoehorned in likely), but VIRD had never had them called out as anything to do with them. And that is where a good amount of the "upset" is coming from. It's not strictly "Oh noes, Knights on Motorcycles! HORRIBLE!!!11!!".

It's that:
a) A Knight unit has been jammed into a Sectorial that looked like it would be the first one free of Knights. That had myself and some others actually excited. I liked NCA because we didn't have Knights in it, then we had the Blackfriar put in rather than a rework of the Auxilia to give it a similar purpose.
b) Said Knight unit was one that already existed. It's now completely been reworked to have bikes...so the Knights that already are getting jammed into VIRD now are getting jammed in there with bikes, because of course PanO needs a bike unit right?

If you can't see why people would be upset over a unit being jammed in when it feels against the theme, let alone when said unit is also getting jammed in with a bike(which many seem to feel fits the theme even less)? Then I can't help you.

ASA, NCA, ISS have been fleshed out with aleph units since they came out. That never made sense within the theme of the sectorials, but it was explained away in the fluff.
I never liked it & I wouldnt use aleph in those lists myself.
It was done ostensibly for balance reasons. It's their fiction to write, they can bend the universe as they see fit to make it work
I don't see the big deal. It's a minis game. If the model is garbage people won't use them.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

ASA, NCA, ISS have been fleshed out with aleph units since they came out. That never made sense within the theme of the sectorials, but it was explained away in the fluff.
I never liked it & I wouldnt use aleph in those lists myself.

Except the selected theme units do make sense. If you can explain how a biker knight makes sense in a military force that is oriented around aquatic insertions then power to you.

It was done ostensibly for balance reasons. It's their fiction to write, they can bend the universe as they see fit to make it work

No, it was done because they felt they had to jam Knights in. That's literally all it is. You can try to say it's them "bending the universe as they see fit to make it work" but they literally could have done anything else other than a Knight and likely some of the arguing over it would go away.

People overplay how popular Knights are.

I don't see the big deal. It's a minis game. If the model is garbage people won't use them.

lol...yeah, okay. You've seen the stats right?

Its multi rifle profile is cheaper than the Combi Rifle variant despite having a bike, CH: Mimetism, and quite a bit of other stuff.

If they did it your way would sales go up?
I'm looking at all of this from the aspect of like a small business owner and that's really what they are in the global scheme of things especially against Fantasy Flight games and Games Workshop.
I think they're doing a terrific job! I don't know what you expect from a small Spanish company but I think for a small for Spanish company they are doing a wonderful job on the global market they are doing a wonderful job of satisfying their American audiences as well.

I think the rotating stock is a great idea for them from a production and selling miniatures only P.O.V.

Removing one Army from the shelf and from production opens up space for them to produce a new amry I have Miniatures for all these factions... I want new Miniatures
I don't really care if they're remaking raven-wing or if somebody doesn't like the fluff or if you lost your French army

I think they're doing a really good job and I think a lot of you "fans" are being hard on them

you're all starting to sound like GW fans... a lot like Games Workshop fans it's sad because the only reason I'm into infinity and into the community is because I am not a fan of Games Workshop or the the Games Workshop Community mindset.
Honestly shame on all of you for all your whining and complaining against this little tiny company trying to keep us happy... seriously... do any of you have any real perspective on this besides "I'm a fan and I want this thing I'm a fan and I want this thing" do you have any perspective on a small game company working internationally on probably a shoestring budget so selfish it's so ridiculous at this point you guys are all crying like a bunch of Games Workshop fans who just got their sisters of battle taken away for the fifth time... instead of crying on the Forum want you go spend some money at Corvus and support them

 5deadly wrote:
If they did it your way would sales go up?

Probably. Not like you'd know since they don't publish their data.

I'm looking at all of this from the aspect of like a small business owner and that's really what they are in the global scheme of things especially against Fantasy Flight games and Games Workshop.
I think they're doing a terrific job! I don't know what you expect from a small Spanish company but I think for a small for Spanish company they are doing a wonderful job on the global market they are doing a wonderful job of satisfying their American audiences as well.

You don't know what kind of a job they're doing. They don't publish sales figures and they have no real metric to establish them. They're also "small" because they keep themselves that way.

I think the rotating stock is a great idea for them from a production and selling miniatures only P.O.V.

Removing one Army from the shelf and from production opens up space for them to produce a new amry

Except it doesn't. CB, as far as I'm aware, has no buyback program. They don't ask for old stock back once it becomes removed from production. It sits there and rots. I can go over to a local game shop and get some models that are four or five years out of date now--still sold at MSRP because yeah, why not.

I have Miniatures for all these factions... I want new Miniatures
I don't really care if they're remaking raven-wing or if somebody doesn't like the fluff or if you lost your French army

This is hilarious, given you complaining about the "Games Workshop community" mindset.

I'd rather that mindset than the "Screw you, I got mine" mindset. If you want to have it that way? The door's over there, have fun posting on the official Infinity Forums.

I think they're doing a really good job and I think a lot of you "fans" are being hard on them

you're all starting to sound like GW fans... a lot like Games Workshop fans it's sad because the only reason I'm into infinity and into the community is because I am not a fan of Games Workshop or the the Games Workshop Community mindset.
Honestly shame on all of you for all your whining and complaining against this little tiny company trying to keep us happy... seriously... do any of you have any real perspective on this besides "I'm a fan and I want this thing I'm a fan and I want this thing" do you have any perspective on a small game company working internationally on probably a shoestring budget so selfish it's so ridiculous at this point you guys are all crying like a bunch of Games Workshop fans who just got their sisters of battle taken away for the fifth time... instead of crying on the Forum want you go spend some money at Corvus and support them

Why should I spend some money on supporting them when they're doing something I don't like? I have "perspective on a small game company working internationally", given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 5deadly wrote:
If they did it your way would sales go up?

Probably. Not like you'd know since they don't publish their data.

I'm looking at all of this from the aspect of like a small business owner and that's really what they are in the global scheme of things especially against Fantasy Flight games and Games Workshop.
I think they're doing a terrific job! I don't know what you expect from a small Spanish company but I think for a small for Spanish company they are doing a wonderful job on the global market they are doing a wonderful job of satisfying their American audiences as well.

You don't know what kind of a job they're doing. They don't publish sales figures and they have no real metric to establish them. They're also "small" because they keep themselves that way.

I think the rotating stock is a great idea for them from a production and selling miniatures only P.O.V.

Removing one Army from the shelf and from production opens up space for them to produce a new amry

Except it doesn't. CB, as far as I'm aware, has no buyback program. They don't ask for old stock back once it becomes removed from production. It sits there and rots. I can go over to a local game shop and get some models that are four or five years out of date now--still sold at MSRP because yeah, why not.

I have Miniatures for all these factions... I want new Miniatures
I don't really care if they're remaking raven-wing or if somebody doesn't like the fluff or if you lost your French army

This is hilarious, given you complaining about the "Games Workshop community" mindset.

I'd rather that mindset than the "Screw you, I got mine" mindset. If you want to have it that way? The door's over there, have fun posting on the official Infinity Forums.

I think they're doing a really good job and I think a lot of you "fans" are being hard on them

you're all starting to sound like GW fans... a lot like Games Workshop fans it's sad because the only reason I'm into infinity and into the community is because I am not a fan of Games Workshop or the the Games Workshop Community mindset.
Honestly shame on all of you for all your whining and complaining against this little tiny company trying to keep us happy... seriously... do any of you have any real perspective on this besides "I'm a fan and I want this thing I'm a fan and I want this thing" do you have any perspective on a small game company working internationally on probably a shoestring budget so selfish it's so ridiculous at this point you guys are all crying like a bunch of Games Workshop fans who just got their sisters of battle taken away for the fifth time... instead of crying on the Forum want you go spend some money at Corvus and support them

Why should I spend some money on supporting them when they're doing something I don't like? I have "perspective on a small game company working internationally", given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

I have never been in a store with some big glut of unwanted CB minis. I’ve always had to dig through the mountain of old GW releases that nobody would ever buy to even find the infinity section.
It’s all online.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 5deadly wrote:
If they did it your way would sales go up?

given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

This is absolute BS, sustained by your imagination and no given facts at all. I dare you to prove this point.

Please, go on, amaze us with your knowledge about CB actual company status and spanish taxes. I'll wait.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

I have never been in a store with some big glut of unwanted CB minis. I’ve always had to dig through the mountain of old GW releases that nobody would ever buy to even find the infinity section.
It’s all online.

Cool for you then? I have been. The local shop that has Infinity stuff to me? They've still got the old Haqqislam, PanO, Nomad, and Yu Jing starters. They're still marked at retail too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

I have never been in a store with some big glut of unwanted CB minis. I’ve always had to dig through the mountain of old GW releases that nobody would ever buy to even find the infinity section.
It’s all online.

Cool for you then? I have been. The local shop that has Infinity stuff to me? They've still got the old Haqqislam, PanO, Nomad, and Yu Jing starters. They're still marked at retail too.

We're beyond the scope of news/rumors here but that is just the nature of the industry. Minis games will always have obsolete SKUs floating out there. If they just have old starters that's not too bad TBH. Put it up online and hope someone wants it.
Ask them how they felt about GW forcing a core catalog of SKUs, models and paint, on any store trying to sell their stuff. They will point to the heap of unsold dark eldar & orks in the corner.

We're way off topic here, but this is a non-issue, especially for infinity

@Kanluwen
We are all still waiting here for you to prove your point about:

given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

It will be so nice if you are able to throw some light at this particular point. I'm so interested about this.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

I have never been in a store with some big glut of unwanted CB minis. I’ve always had to dig through the mountain of old GW releases that nobody would ever buy to even find the infinity section.
It’s all online.

Cool for you then? I have been. The local shop that has Infinity stuff to me? They've still got the old Haqqislam, PanO, Nomad, and Yu Jing starters. They're still marked at retail too.

We're beyond the scope of news/rumors here but that is just the nature of the industry. Minis games will always have obsolete SKUs floating out there. If they just have old starters that's not too bad TBH. Put it up online and hope someone wants it.
Ask them how they felt about GW forcing a core catalog of SKUs, models and paint, on any store trying to sell their stuff. They will point to the heap of unsold dark eldar & orks in the corner.

Ask them how they felt about in return for GW "forcing a core catalog of SKUs, models and paint on any store trying to sell their stuff", they got access to GW itself as a distributor and pretty reliable release dates, shipping, etc.

Ask them how they felt about being able to actually have a core catalog of SKUs to work from.

Woah... things have really changed in this topic.

 BobbaFett wrote:
@Kanluwen
We are all still waiting here for you to prove your point about:

given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

It will be so nice if you are able to throw some light at this particular point. I'm so interested about this.

Perhaps the cost of switching from an NELC to a PLC is really prohibitive?

Or, possibly, CB is registered as a WOC which means that unless new hires are willing to match the initial investment of the owners, they cant work more than 15% of the total annual work hours.

So back on topic...

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

ASA, NCA, ISS have been fleshed out with aleph units since they came out. That never made sense within the theme of the sectorials, but it was explained away in the fluff.
I never liked it & I wouldnt use aleph in those lists myself.

You must try using Teucer or the Nagas in an ASA list. Very good units. Although the "synergy" between the Nagas and the Montesa is now soon to be a thing of the past. This displeases me.

Thoughts on the Liu Xing drop trooper that explodes? This Guy


Looks like a fun unit to use. IMHO. I hope the mini is nice.

 Kanluwen wrote:
You don't know what kind of a job they're doing. They don't publish sales figures and they have no real metric to establish them. They're also "small" because they keep themselves that way.

Neither do you... You might be a huge fan and you might have been on the other forums and in this form a lot but at the end of the day you don't know anything about the inner workings of their business...Do You? Nope...
I don't know if you've ever owned your own small business but I got no gripes about how they run their business How they do things, taxes or day to day is none of My business. If they are doing something to keep their business low and small because that's how they want it that's their business dude! Maybe they Don't want to turn into GW.. have you thought of that yet man?..have you thought about the fact that most of their employees are family and friends. You ever thought maybe this incredibly cool small sustainable business model might be a very special unique anomaly in the war gaming world... Its definitely not something I'd want to see go away anytime soon I frikkin love CB. But I have been a small business owner/creator and I do understand the things you have to do to keep it moving in the Decided Direction and as expected sometimes that direction won't satisfy every unhappy fan.

Why don't you quit trying to crush their reputation it's ridiculous... like Carlos said in the last video stop making the drama Kanluwen... Carlos can see you when you're sleeping and he's not going to let your favorite model get made if you keep Behaving Badly like this bro...

All joking aside it kind of looks bad on you to be honest Kanluwen. You seemed like a knowledgeable player maybe a community leader a little... but now I'm looking at you more like you're a whiner, needy of attention and you probably have a deep-rooted desire to be right all the time enjoy being that guy! that's fun!

Brainy Smurf Gets invited to all the parties and definitely gets all the girls

Myself knowing that Acontecimento is going to be pulled off the shelves I'm buying a Second Bagh-Mari unit today because I actually like the changes to the rules

<rounding back to Rumor and speculation>
The new rules that they just posted are looking pretty cool actually being able to embed Orc in Regulars and Engineer in Bagh-Mari with the SAA matching perks that embedded engineer is just like a Bagh-Mari now sweeeet
Rao as a wild card was a great decision! Because he's a wild-card he can duo with a Tik get them up the board together becomes order efficient and you have somebody watching his back.
I don't know if I ever seriously run Duo Tiks.... I kind of want to run them this weekend to see if they perform well. It's really only 40ish more points than 2 Kriza... and I think they'd be a little bit better in a firefight with stats, the mimetism, mines.. in cover I could see them as being pretty deadly
Anyway I like the update on Acontecimento it's a lot better than it was and I'm going to go buy some models for before they're rotated out of production...
Me, the French and 10 million Caskuda on planet Whogivesa
Enjoy your Infinity stuff today everybody

Bladerunner2019 wrote:[
I have never been in a store with some big glut of unwanted CB minis. I’ve always had to dig through the mountain of old GW releases that nobody would ever buy to even find the infinity section.
It’s all online.

All the game stores out by me are/where this way. The ones that are in the where category dropped the line. Infinity doesn't sell well in Utah I guess. tones of game stores (have like 5 within 15 min drive of my house) but none of them have anything newer then Ice storm last time I checked and almost all the boxes are old n2 sculpts of things that aren't in production anymore.

BobbaFett wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 5deadly wrote:
If they did it your way would sales go up?

given that the company continually keeps limiting itself to avoid tax and legal obligations in Spain. They've talked about it in the past, they keep the number of employees low for this reason.

This is absolute BS, sustained by your imagination and no given facts at all. I dare you to prove this point.

Please, go on, amaze us with your knowledge about CB actual company status and spanish taxes. I'll wait.

This is mostly true. Bostria has said this many times in seminars. Basically they're at a line where if they go over it their taxes go way up. It's not so much they don't want to grow but now they would have to grow at a very large amount very quickly to justify/offset the taxes and they don't feel they're in the place to basically increase their workforce 50% overnight. Angel also talked alot about spanish taxes when he did his first book. It was limited to 2k world wide as if he printed more then that the tax amount tripled or some crazy number that would make him loose money unless he could sell and print 8-10k (which he easy did) but wasn't sure at first if the book would as it's a small hobby. Topo, who does papercraft stuff for CB, did a kickstarter for a 3d printer file for a ship and they're a discussion on the infinity forums about the crazy way spain deals with businesses and taxes and his worry about making not enough money that he pays more then he takes home. Spanish taxes are really crazy relating to businesses.

 Red Harvest wrote:
So back on topic...

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

ASA, NCA, ISS have been fleshed out with aleph units since they came out. That never made sense within the theme of the sectorials, but it was explained away in the fluff.
I never liked it & I wouldnt use aleph in those lists myself.

You must try using Teucer or the Nagas in an ASA list. Very good units. Although the "synergy" between the Nagas and the Montesa is now soon to be a thing of the past. This displeases me.

Thoughts on the Liu Xing drop trooper that explodes? This Guy


Looks like a fun unit to use. IMHO. I hope the mini is nice.

I have to admit, seeing that both of the new Invincible Army profiles are pseudo-HI (with the Zencha not even having Shock Immunity) is a bit of a kick in the knackers.

The Xiu Ling also has some oddly dumped stats that make me wonder why they bothered making it HI. It isn't 2W (though NWI and Bioimmunity don't make this all bad, albeit it is kind of convoluted), it has pretty bad PH (most HI is 13-14, so a non-remote HI with PH12 is kind of silly), and in general it comes off as basically just being a hackable Fraacta or Gao Tarsos with a niche, gimmicky rule that relies on us risking a Combat Jump with a low (for an HI) PH. When I heard about Explosion LX I got kind of excited, but this thing is basically kind of a waste of the concept.

The Zencha is a bit better (though again, pseudo-HI and odd dump stats like getting a super-low BS12 which puts it more on par with a SK or MI than an HI). The two BS profiles feel over-stuffed and not worth the trouble, while the SMG profile encapsulates everything wrong with the SMG (that is, it takes a profile that is kind of borderline and suddenly makes it something I'd take even in Vanilla). I just don't know why they absolutely needed to dump it down to sub-par HI stats just to have it tread ground we've been on before. And without Shock Immunity it really does just feel like a fancy LI Aleph unit instead of a proper HI trooper (but again, it's hackable without really seeing a discount for this downside).

I'm hoping this isn't the cream of the crop, because neither of these units built hype and anticipation for me. Neither is, like, Pheasant terrible. But for an HI-centric list, it feels weird to lead in with a couple of middling pseudo-HI profiles without a lot of whizbang in there.

I guess I'll see what else IA has to offer, but I'm not really feeling the hype anymore. In theory, I should love an AD HI that explodes on impact, I should love an HI skirmisher. But the way they've implemented them just feels like CB's current crop of "let's use dump stats and weird rules combos to power game the point system we created and implemented!" stuff that has been making me sort of tired of the game lately. If the game couldn't fit real AD HI or HI Skirmishers, then producing half- 'd ones doesn't really feel great.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Spanish taxes are really crazy relating to businesses.

Which could be fixed if they created an overseas subsidiary. Or hopefully are planning on a large growth spurt to justify the higher taxes. because otherwise they are at major risk of becoming victims of their own success, and being unable to keep up with demand they'll lose their customers entirely because they can't keep up.

Did anyone catch the Combined Army changes? The video seems to be down, now. I

YouTube was borked earlier.

Also I find it interesting that even though CB is doing this without BoW they're following the BoW theme week formula almost to a tee.

 Baalirock wrote:
Did anyone catch the Combined Army changes? The video seems to be down, now. I

- A single Suryat profile (HMG) picked up Tactical Sense at +3 points
- Up to one Suryat can join a Vanguard link
- Raktorak gains NCO and is now a Wildcard
- Rodak Haris
- Bit & Kiss gone
- Possibly Sogarat Haris gone


I think thats it? They spent about a third of the video hyping the new "Kornak +4 Suryat" fireteam (the one we've had access to for 5+ years)


Overall I'm not excited by any of these changes. Any improvement is good, but none of this is what I was hoping for. I'm hoping that there may still be some stuff they haven't mentioned, but I'm not holding my breath.

(Although I do like the Suryat Tactical Sense profile for vanilla CA)

Whats Tactical Sense do?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Whats Tactical Sense do?

Provides an additional Irregular Order for that unit. Unclear if it can be used in Fireteams. Some people say yes, some people say no.

Its a weird choice on the Suryat because :

1. Suryats are normally taken in links, and if you want to take a solo Suryat HMG the Suryat HMG Lt already exists and already gets an extra order.

2. This ability would be so much more useful on the Sogarat, a unit that is often much too expensive to link and sorely needs a buff.

Does anyone know if the MAF changes are going up this week or if we'll be waiting for the book to see if theres anything else?

The deafening silence since the VIRD video was posted is all the PanO players collecting their jaws off the floor.

 The Infinite wrote:
The deafening silence since the VIRD video was posted is all the PanO players collecting their jaws off the floor.

I can't tell if you mean in a good way or a bad way? I can never tell what other Infinity players are going to be excited about. PanO was my second army and I always loved the Cutter and Kamau, but Varuna looks really dull to me. But its a new army and I'll wnat to actually look at it more to get a clearer picture of what its really about. Helots seem cool.

The MO changes seem nice. I haven't played MO since before N3, so I might dig them up and give them a try at some point.

Zulu Cobras are all the fun of Hecklers with added PanO flair (i.e. firepower), for only a slight point increase. The standouts are the Lt profile and the Spitfire, but the KHD is hot on their heels.

Echo Bravo are lovely, BS 13 naturally, but the BSG + LRL profile looks nasty, and a cheap B4 weapon for discount SWC is also very nice.

Helots look a lot of fun, not as streamlined as the merc, but a way of setting up some cheap reactive turrets that will be welcome.

As for MO, cautious optimism until the fireteam compositions are fully revealed, but the Hospitalers dropping in points and getting a doctor+haris profile at the same time as the Santiago both getting a KHD and a wildcard, oh and getting Dart and the best TAG in PanO for...reasons...? is too much to process at the moment