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Have they release an army list for Spiral Corps? They've discontinued pretty much everything of Tohaa that I already own, and it'd be nice to know what profiles we'll be able to actually use and what are done for. I know they'll still have rules support, but Spiral Corps is clearly the future of the faction.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." -Napoleon
Someone needs to help us all out and compile all the Daedalus news into non-video format!!!
They're discontinuing a bunch of the vanilla Tohaa stuff because they "only want to have 50 SKUs" or some such nonsense. It's almost all hand sculpt stuff(Tohaa starter, Makauls, Gao-Rael and Gao-Tarsos, Kamael box, Sakiel Spitfire and Ectros HMG) but there's some newer stuff as well(Nikoul, Kosuil, Kotail).
It really seams like more of a faction reboot as they didn't like something about it, more so then we've seen in the past.
Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Do we even know yet how much overlap there will be between reg Tohaa and Spiral Corps? I've got a rather large Tohaa army that I've assembled and primed but never gotten around to painting, wondering if it's worth finishing them or holding off and replacing much of them with newer sculpts
Kalamadea wrote: Do we even know yet how much overlap there will be between reg Tohaa and Spiral Corps? I've got a rather large Tohaa army that I've assembled and primed but never gotten around to painting, wondering if it's worth finishing them or holding off and replacing much of them with newer sculpts
Probably won't know until the 27th when army changes are live but it sounds like whatever isn't in the discontinue list in the video will be usable with Spiral Corps.
Kalamadea wrote: Do we even know yet how much overlap there will be between reg Tohaa and Spiral Corps? I've got a rather large Tohaa army that I've assembled and primed but never gotten around to painting, wondering if it's worth finishing them or holding off and replacing much of them with newer sculpts
Probably won't know until the 27th when army changes are live but it sounds like whatever isn't in the discontinue list in the video will be usable with Spiral Corps.
Whatever isn't in the list likely has a pretty straight proxy akin to the Haramaki > Tanko.
Kalamadea wrote: Do we even know yet how much overlap there will be between reg Tohaa and Spiral Corps? I've got a rather large Tohaa army that I've assembled and primed but never gotten around to painting, wondering if it's worth finishing them or holding off and replacing much of them with newer sculpts
Probably won't know until the 27th when army changes are live but it sounds like whatever isn't in the discontinue list in the video will be usable with Spiral Corps.
Whatever isn't in the list likely has a pretty straight proxy akin to the Haramaki > Tanko.
That's actually the one and only thing I'm worried about with this. I originally bought some Haramaki for my JSA because I liked the design so much more than the Tankos, but they were just so tiny that I gave in and just got the actual Tankos. I also built and painted the Yu Jing Celestial Guard SWC box literally the weekend before the new one was announced. It's probably going to be less of an issue with the new Tohaa/Spirals, I think it's only the Gorgos I don't already own that's on the discontinued list, but I can already see a new Clipsos in the starter box that looks rather nice. I don't mind the stuff getting discontinued at all, I just don't want to go through the effort of painting something that gets an awesome new sculpt a couple months later and doing it twice, my hobby queue is WAY too full for repeats
Yeah, I really like the new Shasvastii designs. I really can't wait to see the models. I even considered cancelling the Spiral Corps box preorder, but I think Shasvastii models will be a way off (nearer GenCon) so should be able to save a bit of money for them then. I'm really impressed though, can't wait.
Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
Info is "We are discontinuing these particular SKUS"
An people goes like: -"They totally killed my faction!!"
Questions:
Are the vanilla regular Tohaa faction no longer tournament legal? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa going to receive new miniatures? Yes, they are.
Are the Tohaa going to be retired from the game? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa Miniatures going to be impossible to find? Not really.
I keep finding people who confuse Army Upgrade with Discontinuing SKUs with Not Receiving new miniatures with that army being Not tournament legal. Those are four different things and only two are happening here.
Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
Info is "We are discontinuing these particular SKUS"
An people goes like: -"They totally killed my faction!!"
Questions:
Are the vanilla regular Tohaa faction no longer tournament legal? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa going to receive new miniatures? Yes, they are.
Are the Tohaa going to be retired from the game? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa Miniatures going to be impossible to find? Not really.
I keep finding people who confuse Army Upgrade with Discontinuing SKUs with Not Receiving new miniatures with that army being Not tournament legal. Those are four different things and only two are happening here.
For loads of people knowing your faction of choice is not getting anything new, and even worse the majority of the minis are no longer being supplied by the manufacturer does equal faction killed (even while a closely related faction is still supported)
it's like telling a space wolves player that they're being discontinued (but you can carry on playing them), but it's ok the ultra marines are getting more stuff
Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
It's not misinformation. That's what's happening and I'm annoyed as I might not be able to buy the models that are going out of print. Sure they might be around for a while, I don't know when I'll have the money to buy them and I'm annoyed about that. The profiles, are legal but I won't play them without the corresponding figure. And they are stoping selling about 1/3 of the Tohaa so that's not incorrect either.
I don't see why you have to go trying to start a fight over something like this by saying I'm lying. I'm sorry I don't post all my bank account records for you to prove I what I said or a photo showing me being mad.
Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
Info is "We are discontinuing these particular SKUS"
An people goes like: -"They totally killed my faction!!"
Questions:
Are the vanilla regular Tohaa faction no longer tournament legal? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa going to receive new miniatures? Yes, they are.
Are the Tohaa going to be retired from the game? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa Miniatures going to be impossible to find? Not really.
I keep finding people who confuse Army Upgrade with Discontinuing SKUs with Not Receiving new miniatures with that army being Not tournament legal. Those are four different things and only two are happening here.
For loads of people knowing your faction of choice is not getting anything new, and even worse the majority of the minis are no longer being supplied by the manufacturer does equal faction killed (even while a closely related faction is still supported)
it's like telling a space wolves player that they're being discontinued (but you can carry on playing them), but it's ok the ultra marines are getting more stuff
Vanilla Tohaa is getting everything Tohaa from Spiral Corps (minus a few load outs specific to SC).
For loads of people knowing your faction of choice is not getting anything new, and even worse the majority of the minis are no longer being supplied by the manufacturer does equal faction killed (even while a closely related faction is still supported)
Tohaa not getting anything new? really?
They have just received like 8 new troop profiles. The Spiral Corps Tohaa units can be played in Tohaa, they've just said that in the video.
Aww, but how is he supposed to maintain his knee-jerk misinformed anger when you give him facts and correct information?
Had a chance to watch the videos, they specifically mention that the only Tohaa units getting discontinued models are the ones that won't be available to Spiral Corps, which means that the ones NOT getting discontinued will likely remain in production for quite some time or get phased out by resculpts as normal. I'm digging the fluff of the Spiral Corps after seeing the video, need to decide if i want to paint all my symbionts blue or do them the traditional orange. He also didn't outright state it, but it was REALLY heavily implied that the Spiral Corps will get brawlers, which is cool.
And really, most of those discontinued units are the ones you'd have anyways if you're a serious Tohaa player, it's some of the main profiles
Orlando is probably one of the few that hasn't gotten upset over the discontinuations he's just pointing out a common argument from those that do complain. So you two going after him just show how little you actually pay attention to the conversation and just want to pick fights.
This change with Tohaa is less egregious then the Bugs being squatted, and JSA being ripped out of Yu Jing (it's hard to defend CB against those two actions) as it's clearly a faction reboot, They're keeping the old Tohaa profiles around so this won't be JSA 2.0 -- Nice to see they learned some lesson there.
That being said it really shows poorly on how CB is run as a business to keep having to discontinuing lines because they have too many SKUs. Shock army is one of the big casualties of this that still get people upset as something with models only a few months old got the axe and this is what we tend to discuss here on Dakka is CB needs a better way to get their SKU bloat under control then ignoring it and discontinuing stuff every 4-6 months.
If you already played Tohaa you probably have the Miniatures that are being discontinued anyway and they're not discontinuing the entire Tohaa line either...
Myself I don't like the old Tohaa models and I never got into the range because of that. But I do like the new ones and I'm still thinking about possibly getting a Tohaa Force at some point... but it'll be Special Corps... CB is pretty smart.
Definitely 100% looking forward to the new Shasvastii line the only reason they weren't the first Army I collected when I got into this game was the fact that the models were so very very dated. Now I got no problems I love everything I've seen so far and all they can do is improve the rules for them the Shasvastii rules still in place I'm sure all the changes will be for the better
Monkeysloth wrote: Orlando is probably one of the few that hasn't gotten upset over the discontinuations he's just pointing out a common argument from those that do complain. So you two going after him just show how little you actually pay attention to the conversation and just want to pick fights.
This change with Tohaa is less egregious then the Bugs being squatted, and JSA being ripped out of Yu Jing (it's hard to defend CB against those two actions) as it's clearly a faction reboot, They're keeping the old Tohaa profiles around so this won't be JSA 2.0 -- Nice to see they learned some lesson there.
Honestly, the "bugs being squatted" means nothing. It was a few units, not a whole faction. JSA also wasn't as crazy as people make it out to be--it was effectively a separate army to begin with.
Monkeysloth wrote: Orlando is probably one of the few that hasn't gotten upset over the discontinuations he's just pointing out a common argument from those that do complain. So you two going after him just show how little you actually pay attention to the conversation and just want to pick fights.
This change with Tohaa is less egregious then the Bugs being squatted, and JSA being ripped out of Yu Jing (it's hard to defend CB against those two actions) as it's clearly a faction reboot, They're keeping the old Tohaa profiles around so this won't be JSA 2.0 -- Nice to see they learned some lesson there.
Honestly, the "bugs being squatted" means nothing. It was a few units, not a whole faction. JSA also wasn't as crazy as people make it out to be--it was effectively a separate army to begin with.
The JSA was a big deal due to the number of vanilla YJ players that had units taken away from them CB could have easily done what they did here and leave the original JSA's that were in vanilla as there was no real reason to remove the profiles outside of fluff which easily could have been written to state that some Japanese stayed loyal to the State. I also got into infinity right around the squatting happened and remembered how much drama is caused as they refused to have N3 profiles for them. CB has been learning from these past mistakes as MRRF and Shock army didn't get squatted like CB did earlier and Tohaa got to keep their old faction instead of it going away with the reboot faction so good for them.
Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
Info is "We are discontinuing these particular SKUS"
An people goes like: -"They totally killed my faction!!"
Questions:
Are the vanilla regular Tohaa faction no longer tournament legal? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa going to receive new miniatures? Yes, they are.
Are the Tohaa going to be retired from the game? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa Miniatures going to be impossible to find? Not really.
I keep finding people who confuse Army Upgrade with Discontinuing SKUs with Not Receiving new miniatures with that army being Not tournament legal. Those are four different things and only two are happening here.
The reason it is a problem is because anybody who might have been considering starting Tohaa, either now or in the future, will likely now decide not to do so. Namely because 1/3 of the models are OOP.
If there isn't anybody new playing a faction then that faction will slowly wither and die off. Especially since there is no guarantee that CB will ever bring these discontinued factions back into production. And no, the company saying that they promise to bring them back at some point in the future is not a guarantee.
Heck, simply not giving a faction new releases is enough to cause it to somewhat die off. Look at the French. No new releases for forever meant the fanbase just dried up into nothing but a small pool of hardcore fans, not exactly the most inviting option for a new player. And then it was made worse by discontinuing the line.
Now this problem wouldn't occur if CB was doing the smart thing. The thing that they really should be doing if they actually genuinely had a SKU problem. Consolidating SKUs into more consumer/producer friendly packaging. IE: Discontinue models/sculpts A, B, and C, and then release a new package which combined those 3 model profiles into a single SKU. Its ok to discontinue a sculpt if you eventually come out with a replacement.
CB needs to have more multi-miniature boxes, preferably ones with interchangable arms and equipment allowing for multiple loadout options on a single miniature. The fact they are seemingly staunchly refusing to do this type of packaging proves that their excuses of SKU bloat are just that, excuses. That or they are grossly incompetent.
The real reason for this is CB refuses to actually grow as a company. They've become victims of their own success, but they really can't afford to stay the way they are. They need to either expand the company or they're going to dry up.
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Monkeysloth wrote: Pretty aggravating as Tohaa is one of the 2 armies I own and I don't really know if I'm going to have to money to pick everything up that's going away. If this is going to keep happening multiple times a year they really need to stop and have a hard look at why they keep getting into this state and actually come up with a solution that's not stop selling 1/3 of a faction.
Why is this? Why?
I mean... There is something that I find annoying here. People seem to enjoy some kind of misinformation.
Info is "We are discontinuing these particular SKUS"
An people goes like: -"They totally killed my faction!!"
Questions:
Are the vanilla regular Tohaa faction no longer tournament legal? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa going to receive new miniatures? Yes, they are.
Are the Tohaa going to be retired from the game? No, they are not.
Are the Tohaa Miniatures going to be impossible to find? Not really.
I keep finding people who confuse Army Upgrade with Discontinuing SKUs with Not Receiving new miniatures with that army being Not tournament legal. Those are four different things and only two are happening here.
The reason it is a problem is because anybody who might have been considering starting Tohaa, either now or in the future, will likely now decide not to do so. Namely because 1/3 of the models are OOP.
If there isn't anybody new playing a faction then that faction will slowly wither and die off. Especially since there is no guarantee that CB will ever bring these discontinued factions back into production. And no, the company saying that they promise to bring them back at some point in the future is not a guarantee.
Heck, simply not giving a faction new releases is enough to cause it to somewhat die off. Look at the French. No new releases for forever meant the fanbase just dried up into nothing but a small pool of hardcore fans, not exactly the most inviting option for a new player. And then it was made worse by discontinuing the line.
Now this problem wouldn't occur if CB was doing the smart thing. The thing that they really should be doing if they actually genuinely had a SKU problem. Consolidating SKUs into more consumer/producer friendly packaging. IE: Discontinue models/sculpts A, B, and C, and then release a new package which combined those 3 model profiles into a single SKU. Its ok to discontinue a sculpt if you eventually come out with a replacement.
CB needs to have more multi-miniature boxes, preferably ones with interchangable arms and equipment allowing for multiple loadout options on a single miniature. The fact they are seemingly staunchly refusing to do this type of packaging proves that their excuses of SKU bloat are just that, excuses. That or they are grossly incompetent.
The real reason for this is CB refuses to actually grow as a company. They've become victims of their own success, but they really can't afford to stay the way they are. They need to either expand the company or they're going to dry up.
Sorry but we’re probably going to see more tohaa players this year, not less.
Many of the old tohaa sculpts are not in the current scale of the game anyway.
We’re talking about SKUs that don’t sell, they will be on shelves for a while after being discontinued.
You can still get all the Acontecimento stuff now.
We have this discussion every time new stuff is announced, everyone whines, and then forgets when all the shiny new stuff comes out.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: there really is no rage, i'm merely pointing out why some may have a problem just as they did when CB did this last time round
I'm not even saying that its the wrong thing for CB to do as an ever growing SKU pile doesn't really do their retailers any favours
Sorry but we’re probably going to see more tohaa players this year, not less.
Many of the old tohaa sculpts are not in the current scale of the game anyway.
We’re talking about SKUs that don’t sell, they will be on shelves for a while after being discontinued.
You can still get all the Acontecimento stuff now.
We have this discussion every time new stuff is announced, everyone whines, and then forgets when all the shiny new stuff comes out.
Finally someone who has a solid grasp of what's really going on here...
This isn't a special trick or some kind of cool gimmick this comes down to one simple thing.
And it's been discussed over and over again CB refuses to grow and as a business that is there prerogative.
If CB growing means they have a higher chance of going out of business I want them to stay right where they're at because I'm very content as a consumer...
A lot of the people with the complaints don't even run the factions they're complaining about /have no intention of buying the models that they're complaining about because if they were they would have already done it. It's funny you want CB to grow to suit you. but you haven't bought the Tohaa models that they're discontinuing. Give that some thought..
As an example I knew that I was going to run Shock Army. The moment I found out they are being discontinued I went out and I bought all the models that I was going to need that would no longer be easily accessed.
I have an overabundance of Bagh Mari models I have an extra Rao just so I have his arm bits. 1 I can keep stock and 1 I can chop up.
You're being given a fair warning ahead of time that Tohaa models are going to be discontinued I bet they're going to re-release those models with brand new sculpts not too far in the future because Tohaa is not a huge range and is a Main faction. Unlike PanO which has a huge product line.
Maybe instead of complaining you should take that time go put in a little bit of extra work, save up some money and buy the Tohaa units you desire before they are discontinued.
I'll say this again....
Retailers (online or brick and motar)don't have the same space for Corvus Belli products as they do other companies products. they don't sell the same, it's not the same thing. You're comparing apples to oranges they're not the same...
Does anyone here actually know how CB runs?
That a lot of their employees are friends and family that it's a very small company in Spain that manages to supply the entire world with its products in a stand-alone manner?
Do any of you realize they don't Outsource to China?
They don't have multiple manufacturing plants or bases of operation global?
And they don't want to get themselves in a predicament where their company is folding...
I would rather have Corvus Belli Trucking along at a steady Pace safely where everybody in their company is happy, well fed and making a profit...
I tell you what...when those units are re-released with brand new sculpts you won't be complaining then. Tohaa not going in the garbage can it's just getting a facelift.
I agree that they could do a few new things with box sets and such but at the same time they can only produce so much a month.
Guys reality check there's only X employees, X space and X places to send the product...
Lets we bring this back into reality a little bit...
You armchair businessmen are silly with all your "Vast" knowledge of how business works....
#DaedalusFall it's a very exciting time. I'm really happy with what they're doing right now.
So maybe we (Faceless complainer X)should quit being so negative and spend a little bit of money on Corvus it's the only way they're ever going to grow. Your complaints won't help them grow. Only your financial support will... think about it
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You can still get all the Acontecimento stuff now.
Decided to check Miniature Market, the warstore and Gamenerds. Pretty much all the discontinued Tohaa stuff is sold out. So that pretty much leaves Ebay. Yea. Who knows what the prices will be in a few months.
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That's why I got mine early... I seen the warning and said...
"Ok thanks for the head up" and spent money that week...
If the discontinued Tohaa stuff is important to get... get it Now
go do overtime (my source of income), mow a yard, beg dad, guilt mom, call grandpa, whatever your income source is and get those models while you can.
Oh wow I just Noticed Aswangs are missing from the Shasvastii force list, I better buy some while I can Oh maybe Use them as my Xenotech
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Does anyone here actually know how CB runs?
That a lot of their employees are friends and family that it's a very small company in Spain that manages to supply the entire world with its products in a stand-alone manner?
Do any of you realize they don't Outsource to China?
They don't have multiple manufacturing plants or bases of operation global?
And they don't want to get themselves in a predicament where their company is folding...
I would rather have Corvus Belli Trucking along at a steady Pace safely where everybody in their company is happy, well fed and making a profit...
I tell you what...when those units are re-released with brand new sculpts you won't be complaining then. Tohaa not going in the garbage can it's just getting a facelift.
I agree that they could do a few new things with box sets and such but at the same time they can only produce so much a month.
Guys reality check there's only X employees, X space and X places to send the product...
Lets we bring this back into reality a little bit...
You armchair businessmen are silly with all your "Vast" knowledge of how business works....
#DaedalusFall it's a very exciting time. I'm really happy with what they're doing right now.
So maybe we (Faceless complainer X)should quit being so negative and spend a little bit of money on Corvus it's the only way they're ever going to grow. Your complaints won't help them grow. Only your financial support will... think about it
Yes. We know that they deliberately keep themselves small and keep it all in house. That is of course their decision, its just a bad one with the way their game keeps growing.
Especially in light of all the vanity projects they keep putting out. Models like HVTs or bootleg Alt sculpts are cool, but they are a waste of resources for a company that is operating like CB. Do we really need 10+ HVT models?
For a company supposedly under a crippling strain of SKU bloat, they sure put out a lot of unnecessary sculpts.
And you know, maybe CB could expand beyond their single little town that they are so nobly providing jobs for. Maybe they could provide jobs to another couple small towns in the area as well? They're going to have to if they keep coming out with new stuff and don't streamline their products with multi-option kits. Otherwise they're going to end up with more of their models being shelved than in production.
And you know, if they keep making their customers angry by shelving sectorials, they could very well destroy their customer base. If a course of action makes a good chunk of your customers angry, even if it is logical from your perspective, then it would be a very good idea to reconsider it.
And don't act like everybody who is trashing on their business model is completely ignorant of the matter. As someone who has an education and a degree in business, they make some truly bizarre choices. This isn't just raging at a screen with no knowledge or context. Its by someone who knows more than the basics of the business world and who has also spent a long time being familiar with the gaming industry as a customer.
CB is in a weird place of stagnation that really isn't sustainable. They need to keep stuff somewhat fresh, but you can't neglect your core products. That does necessitate you grow beyond what they are willing to do. This doesn't bode well for their long term survival.
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It never ceases to amaze me the number of people, largely from the US, that complain about how CB (and when looking at other European companies, them too) operates. Call them out for seemingly poor decisions, anti-consumer practices etc. and claim expertise in the world as the basis for their judgement.
Yet people who have any kind of experience, know full well that operating a business in the US is completely different from the rest of the world. The financial, economic and social situation in the EU is worlds apart from that in the US, even if the markets overlap. It's a running theme with US companies that try to enter the UK or Ireland, that they crash and burn as they assume that a common language makes the business environments similar enough that they can port without making any changes to their corporate strategy, culture etc.
CB are still running, Infinity is 14 years old. More than half of all business fold after 5 years, two thirds don't make it to 10. Their decisions to date have kept them running and sufficiently in profit to steadily expand. Despite the naysayers, they're doing more right than wrong.
Yes. We know that they deliberately keep themselves small and keep it all in house. That is of course their decision, its just a bad one with the way their game keeps growing.
Especially in light of all the vanity projects they keep putting out. Models like HVTs or bootleg Alt sculpts are cool, but they are a waste of resources for a company that is operating like CB. Do we really need 10+ HVT models?
For a company supposedly under a crippling strain of SKU bloat, they sure put out a lot of unnecessary sculpts.
And you know, maybe CB could expand beyond their single little town that they are so nobly providing jobs for. Maybe they could provide jobs to another couple small towns in the area as well? They're going to have to if they keep coming out with new stuff and don't streamline their products with multi-option kits. Otherwise they're going to end up with more of their models being shelved than in production.
And you know, if they keep making their customers angry by shelving sectorials, they could very well destroy their customer base. If a course of action makes a good chunk of your customers angry, even if it is logical from your perspective, then it would be a very good idea to reconsider it.
And don't act like everybody who is trashing on their business model is completely ignorant of the matter. As someone who has an education and a degree in business, they make some truly bizarre choices. This isn't just raging at a screen with no knowledge or context. Its by someone who knows more than the basics of the business world and who has also spent a long time being familiar with the gaming industry as a customer.
CB is in a weird place of stagnation that really isn't sustainable. They need to keep stuff somewhat fresh, but you can't neglect your core products. That does necessitate you grow beyond what they are willing to do. This doesn't bode well for their long term survival.
I'm sorry but you sound very silly... I feel like you're not understanding whats really happening and thats ok.. I think the ENTIRE point was missed by you.
The Infinite wrote: It never ceases to amaze me the number of people, largely from the US, that complain about how CB (and when looking at other European companies, them too) operates. Call them out for seemingly poor decisions, anti-consumer practices etc. and claim expertise in the world as the basis for their judgement.
Yet people who have any kind of experience, know full well that operating a business in the US is completely different from the rest of the world. The financial, economic and social situation in the EU is worlds apart from that in the US, even if the markets overlap. It's a running theme with US companies that try to enter the UK or Ireland, that they crash and burn as they assume that a common language makes the business environments similar enough that they can port without making any changes to their corporate strategy, culture etc.
CB are still running, Infinity is 14 years old. More than half of all business fold after 5 years, two thirds don't make it to 10. Their decisions to date have kept them running and sufficiently in profit to steadily expand. Despite the naysayers, they're doing more right than wrong.
The Infinite +1 My Man and friended
Most Important part of your post: "CB are still running, Infinity is 14 years old. More than half of all business fold after 5 years"
The Infinite actually gets it... OMFG He totally gets it... they are steady. They continue to survive in an competitive international market and we get great products Year after year. Products that are improving constantly as well Big Hat tip to you my friend. and thank you for your post. it was short and sweet and concise unlike my long winded rants. I'd rather have them take thing on and off the shelves in constant rotation than Ever go out of business trying to KEEP UP WITH BIGGER COMPANIES. Regardless of what some may think they are smart with how they run things. I think thats enough out of me on this topic...if you don't understand WHY by now sorry but you never will... Fin
On the Topic of Rumor and speculation Taigha Creatures AVA 8. WTF is that? is it like a Preta? This looks good to boost numbers at 8 i'm guessing they are cheap and die fast on par with Kuang Shi very exciting.
Jayth Cutthroats can Haris I wonder what they do?
Tensho Experts, Nox Troops, Gwailos, Sheskin, Hasht, Messer, M&T drones are special...I have a feeling you'l be able to make some really mixed fire teams with this force. I hoping for a few Wildcard entries. I'm sure some will have May Join Nox/May Join Gwailos akin to Bagh Mari and Orcs being able to join Regulars. this force can't come fast enough for me.
Haqqislam Vid is up Woot woot!
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