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 kilcin wrote:
Any state side retailers offering the same deal as CB for pre-ordering it all and getting all three figures? I figured waiting a week would give them enough time to throw up the pre-orders but I haven't seen anything yet.

Whenever I've ordered from my LGS I've gotten the pre-order bonus. Pretty sure last year I had to order Uprising from Mini Market and I got the bonus there as well. I think its just sort of assumed; but CB doesn't have any way of enforcing it so they don't make promises.

 Red Harvest wrote:
I don't think any US retailers have offered this type of bundle in the past. They deal has been direct from CB or at the Con.

In the past they weren't able to do this. Bostria has stated that independents are supposed to be able to sell this bundle.

That said, it seems like something might be Going On Behind the Scenes as the March releases(Frontoviks, Perseus, etc) haven't even been posted on The Warstore yet and Warstore is a distributor as well as retailer.

Corregidor v. Shasvastii in a battle box seems most likely to me. Nomads are, unfathomably, a very popular faction. The lure of a new CJC starter might be enough to overcome the usually poorer selling Aliens.

Not commenting on the CJC starter bit, but they continually said ALEPH would never feature in a starter set.

Never say never, because CB keeps painting themselves into corners.

I would expect a NA2 starter before another Nomad one in a 2p box though.
And before saying "That won't work!"...I'd like to point out the contents of the Brawlers box.

A NA2 starter could easily be done as:
-Cube Jaeger with Boarding Shotgun(this was done as an ITS exclusive and has not seen a general release)
-Brawler Hacker with SMG(preorder model with Daedalus Falls, not in the Brawler box)
-3x Brawlers with Rifles+LSGs(the two in the Brawler box are called out as Engineer and Paramedic specifically, with the Paramedic having the medic gun modeled)
-Wardriver with Boarding Shotgun


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 LunarSol wrote:

 kilcin wrote:
Any state side retailers offering the same deal as CB for pre-ordering it all and getting all three figures? I figured waiting a week would give them enough time to throw up the pre-orders but I haven't seen anything yet.

Whenever I've ordered from my LGS I've gotten the pre-order bonus. Pretty sure last year I had to order Uprising from Mini Market and I got the bonus there as well. I think its just sort of assumed; but CB doesn't have any way of enforcing it so they don't make promises.

I think he's referring to the fact that Saito Togan is free when you purchase the book and Spiral Corps box.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Thats a kinda dumb metric to gauge sales by. 85% of the factions(if we hold sectorials and the vanilla option to each be their own) are human.

Frankly, for a sci-fi game Infinity has a lot of humans. Even GW with their 10 million flavors of Space Marines has more aliens than Infinity does.

Infinity has always been way more about expanding human politics to space than the normal humanity learning how small it is style you get from something like Trek or Mass Effect. There's heavy themes of colonialism that make more sense to have aliens treated like history's abused native populations than a variety of rival powers. Conflicts aren't really all that "war" based either. In some ways it would be easier if the setting existed post war with the CA and there was something of an uneasy truce than the impending invasion.

 Red Harvest wrote:
I don't think any US retailers have offered this type of bundle in the past. They deal has been direct from CB or at the Con.

Corregidor v. Shasvastii in a battle box seems most likely to me. Nomads are, unfathomably, a very popular faction. The lure of a new CJC starter might be enough to overcome the usually poorer selling Aliens.

I thought CB was getting rid of Corregidor?

Anyway, some questions!

Were does that Valkyrie figure in the Foreign Company sectorial come from?

Is it another Aristeia thing?

 Alpharius wrote:

I thought CB was getting rid of Corregidor?

Coregidor is getting revamped but not discontinued.

 Alpharius wrote:
Were does that Valkyrie figure in the Foreign Company sectorial come from?
Is it another Aristeia thing?

That'd be correct.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
I don't think any US retailers have offered this type of bundle in the past. They deal has been direct from CB or at the Con.

Corregidor v. Shasvastii in a battle box seems most likely to me. Nomads are, unfathomably, a very popular faction. The lure of a new CJC starter might be enough to overcome the usually poorer selling Aliens.

I thought CB was getting rid of Corregidor?

Anyway, some questions!

Were does that Valkyrie figure in the Foreign Company sectorial come from?

Is it another Aristeia thing?

Yeah, one of the Aristeia expansions is called Soldiers of Fortune, and has Hannibal, Señor Massacre, Laxmee and Valkyrie. Hannibal is the second in command of the Foreign Company (or maybe in charge, I can't remember, high up though) turned Aristo, and the others work for the company.

Is Valkyrie 'to be added soon' to IA online?

I can't locate him (?) on there now...

 Alpharius wrote:
Is Valkyrie 'to be added soon' to IA online?

I can't locate him (?) on there now...

She's in the Foreign Company, which are one of the new sectorials that'll go up on the 27th.

This is her profile btw:

Thank you - much appreciated!

Might have to pick up that Aristeia "Soldiers of Fortune" box now - very clever CB!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you - much appreciated!

Might have to pick up that Aristeia "Soldiers of Fortune" box now - very clever CB!

No worries! Bostria did say that Valkyrie (all of them I think, but her specifically as her design is so different) is getting a specific Infinity model, but who knows when.

Definitely want Valkyrie now! That profile is good!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you - much appreciated!

Might have to pick up that Aristeia "Soldiers of Fortune" box now - very clever CB!

You're better off waiting for the generic release, assuming you don't want the cosplayer look.

 kilcin wrote:
Any state side retailers offering the same deal as CB for pre-ordering it all and getting all three figures? I figured waiting a week would give them enough time to throw up the pre-orders but I haven't seen anything yet.

Unfortunately the ones I've seen all have Saito as a separate order but not free if you get everything. But the other two bonuses are there.

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you - much appreciated!

Might have to pick up that Aristeia "Soldiers of Fortune" box now - very clever CB!

Check the quality of Aristeia 'rubber-men' first - the model will stand out in terms of poor quality next to Infinity miniatures.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

Thats a kinda dumb metric to gauge sales by. 85% of the factions(if we hold sectorials and the vanilla option to each be their own) are human.

Frankly, for a sci-fi game Infinity has a lot of humans. Even GW with their 10 million flavors of Space Marines has more aliens than Infinity does.

Infinity has always been way more about expanding human politics to space than the normal humanity learning how small it is style you get from something like Trek or Mass Effect. There's heavy themes of colonialism that make more sense to have aliens treated like history's abused native populations than a variety of rival powers. Conflicts aren't really all that "war" based either. In some ways it would be easier if the setting existed post war with the CA and there was something of an uneasy truce than the impending invasion.

Well yeah. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. I’m saying that “human factions sell better” is a silly reason for not putting the two alien factions together in a box. Especially when most of the factions are human.

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you - much appreciated!

Might have to pick up that Aristeia "Soldiers of Fortune" box now - very clever CB!

Check the quality of Aristeia 'rubber-men' first - the model will stand out in terms of poor quality next to Infinity miniatures.

Ah, I didn't realize that the quality of their Aristeia stuff was that...bad? Or "not good"?

Maybe I will be waiting then...

They are board game pieces. Supposedlly nice quality by board game standards, but they are not TTG quality, from everything I've heard. I'd wait.

Gamenerdz has the Frontoviks etc as a March 22 release.

It depends on the painter. If you're mostly relying on washes and drybrushing to let the details paint themselves, the Aristeia models will look awful next to the metals, but if you spend just a little bit of effort on them to accentuate the shallower/softer details then they look just fine. And honestly it really doesn't take much effort to get them to that point

I'll admit that I've only seen them in person for one copy at the FLGS that someone brought but I was impressed both by that and with the quality of the unboxings shown online. For a while, I was looking for the big shield PanO guy from the starter and even considered buying the limited edition starter set for half off but couldn't find anyone interested in the other figs to make it worthwhile even at that price point.

Are they softer than the metals? Absolutely... but that should be obvious ahead of time without even seeing it to anyone who actually cares about the difference between a boardgame plastic and metal mini. They are IMO good examples of boardgame quality minis.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

Thats a kinda dumb metric to gauge sales by. 85% of the factions(if we hold sectorials and the vanilla option to each be their own) are human.

Frankly, for a sci-fi game Infinity has a lot of humans. Even GW with their 10 million flavors of Space Marines has more aliens than Infinity does.

Infinity has always been way more about expanding human politics to space than the normal humanity learning how small it is style you get from something like Trek or Mass Effect. There's heavy themes of colonialism that make more sense to have aliens treated like history's abused native populations than a variety of rival powers. Conflicts aren't really all that "war" based either. In some ways it would be easier if the setting existed post war with the CA and there was something of an uneasy truce than the impending invasion.

Well yeah. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. I’m saying that “human factions sell better” is a silly reason for not putting the two alien factions together in a box. Especially when most of the factions are human.

Enough people buy them for one side and look to offload the other it makes sense to have one side a safe bet. I expected the last one to be Shesvasti vs Aleph, but it makes more sense to put Ariadna in to pretty much guarantee the box sells.

They're perfectly good for PVC stuff. I'd be happy if CB dropped all metals and switched over as metal is a horrible material for a game piece with bits you have to glue on and paint.

Infinity works for metal for me. Small model count where you don't even move every model each turn and generally focus on moving one at a time.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
They're perfectly good for PVC stuff. I'd be happy if CB dropped all metals and switched over as metal is a horrible material for a game piece with bits you have to glue on and paint.

I think that's the first thing I've agreed with you on 100%, I'd take softer detail in plastic over crisp detail in metal any time, every time. I HATE metal figs, just this past week my Zhuyong HMG tipped over and chipped the paint on his arm. This is despite washing the model, priming w/ automotive primer and varnishing. I love this game and the miniatures are gorgeous, but I'd gladly pay more to have them in plastic, even boardgame PVC plastic.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
They're perfectly good for PVC stuff. I'd be happy if CB dropped all metals and switched over as metal is a horrible material for a game piece with bits you have to glue on and paint.

I think that's the first thing I've agreed with you on 100%, I'd take softer detail in plastic over crisp detail in metal any time, every time. I HATE metal figs, just this past week my Zhuyong HMG tipped over and chipped the paint on his arm. This is despite washing the model, priming w/ automotive primer and varnishing. I love this game and the miniatures are gorgeous, but I'd gladly pay more to have them in plastic, even boardgame PVC plastic.

I use to be pretty anti PVC as I didn't care for Gen 1 Bones but then I painted a bunch of stuff from the Conan and Bloodrage games to use for a RPG game and realised how much better good quality PVC is as you're only loosing a little bit of detail, they paint up well and don't chip or break. Plus you can carry a lot of them very easily as they weigh very little and don't need to foam protection. For display metal/resin I totally get, but for actually using in a game metal is clearly inferior.

I'm not sure Infinity sells enough of any given sculpt to justify PVC honestly. I'm also happy to let them work through all the boring 2D posing in Arestia before switching to plastic for Infinity.

I am not a fan of Wamachine's "plastics". If that is where Infinity is going, I will be displeased.

Warmachine got stuck with the first generation of the stuff. It's improved pretty dramatically since then. Still not the best material out there, and I consider PVC a con when evaluating a game, but its not a dealbreaker by any means either.

LunarSol wrote:I'm not sure Infinity sells enough of any given sculpt to justify PVC honestly. I'm also happy to let them work through all the boring 2D posing in Arestia before switching to plastic for Infinity.

I realize that's an issue. Just because it's something I'd like I in no way expect it to happen.

Red_Five wrote:I am not a fan of Wamachine's "plastics". If that is where Infinity is going, I will be displeased.

They're not. It's just some of us saying we prefer plastics over metals. The only plastics CB does is for their boardgame.

I'm regularly curious how Wyrd pulled off sprue plastics. I mean, I know they traded off ease of assembly, but I'm surprised that change made sense for them AND they're willing to replace molds as quickly as we've seen.