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 Cannibal wrote:
I absolutely love Bolts and am sincerely excited to see them achieve something closer to competitiveness. However now I have to gripe about their AVA 3. I've always wanted to play a Bolt army. Hopefully they just showed their Pan-O profile and their AVA is still T for Neoterra.
Exciting stuff!

Profiles shown like that are always the vanilla AVA.

 Knight wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Oh man, as if the Bolts did not sell well enough already. How can CB keep them in stock now? They are going to smoke that Daktari as best selling of all time.

Don't you ever change.

Next week, I start agitating for a resculpt of Bipandra -- especially now with its wildcard status. The bolts may have crossed the line into almost worth their points. But I'm not interested in NCA. I doubt that the bolts will be in Svalarheim. But, one can hope. Ahem.

 Knight wrote:
Too bad I already have Varuna incoming so all those NCA Bolts lists will have to wait for never ever to get fielded. I wonder what they plan to do with ORC in NCA. Personally rather like the changes that came with Acontecimento and Varuna, although I'd wish more flavor crunch for Acontecimento ORC.

ORCs in ASA seemed an afterthought, like the inclusion of Scylla, Drakios and Teucer, TBH. Teucer is a nice enough addition. Scylla, meh. Drakios, I still need to try and play.

Still waiting on Moto-Montesa.

The Bahram sectorial, I stopped playing ages ago because reasons, mainly because it was tedious to play ( for me) and because I found the ASA to be much more fun. It looks like Bahram may be worth revisting now.

ORCs weren't originally even in Neoterra, so the fact that they can even take them at all is something. Wildcard would have been great, but I'll just need to console myself with a wildcard Aquilla guard who was already amazing all by himself. Shoving him in a cheap Fusilier core for BS18 is fething BONKERS, or toss him in an Orc haris w/ Bipandra to bring the doctor with them. Bolts are still Bolts, I don't care about them other than the CoC profile for 27 points. CSU counts-as fusiliers have me kinda giddy, a core of them with an Aquila could be incredibly fun, depending on metachemistry rolls

Nothing truly amazing for NCA changes, but it's a decent update for a sectorial that was already pretty OK to begin with.

I'm really enjoying the little updates. QK was looking a little boring compared to some of the newer mix and match link factions.

Will there be any bombshell or big announcements at Adepticon?

 Red_Five wrote:
Will there be any bombshell or big announcements at Adepticon?

They do a seminar at Adepticon, so there'll be some new concept art and renders. I think he said there’d be some more hinting at what the Black N is later in the year too.

They've hinted that they'll announce the new game coming out in November but it could slip to Gencon.

Outside of that I think the thing most people are looking for are Shivastii sculpts. If they're missing then I think that faction will be fall release.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
They've hinted that they'll announce the new game coming out in November but it could slip to Gencon.

Outside of that I think the thing most people are looking for are Shivastii sculpts. If they're missing then I think that faction will be fall release.

I’m thinking Shasvastii will be part of the GenCon release.

Yeah Shavastii feel like something that will come out at GenCon, probably bundled with another faction. It should probably be Tohaa but I think they will go with a human faction.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
They've hinted that they'll announce the new game coming out in November but it could slip to Gencon.

Outside of that I think the thing most people are looking for are Shivastii sculpts. If they're missing then I think that faction will be fall release.

I have seen rumblings that it will be a 15mm Infinity game but I kind of hope it is something a bit more exciting.

How dare you! There is NOTHING more exciting than a 15mm Infinity game!**













*** OK, there's probably plenty more exciting, but that WOULD be pretty far up there

If it's another miniature game/boardgame I'm not sure what else they can do outside of 15mm. I guess they could add a Necromunda style game that doesn't use Spec Ops and they said a year or so ago they weren't planning on a ship based combat game though I guess plans could have changed.

They could go a non-miniature game route with Euro Style boardgame or a card game.

It could also be Infinity Jr for all of us complaining about the overabundance of rules.

For a 15mm game they'd need to restart some wars in the new book as fluff wise there's no reason for large mass scale combat between anyone but Humans vs CA and 2 factions would doom it. There are plenty of potential powder kegs but they'd all really be a big change in current fluff. Even with the JSA rebellion PanO and YJ didn't come to blows even though there was plenty of times it could have (like PanO protecting the Islands of Japan on Earth).

They don't necessarily have to change the fluff. It could be set to allow you to recreate the NeoColonial Wars as well as the Paradisio campaigns.

Plus with all the tech everybody has at their disposal there could easily be shadow wars that the civilians don't know about. Say Yu Jing actually led a full blown invasion of part of Svalarhima. Both Yu Jing and PanO would probably create a total comms blackout for any civilians in the area, to prevent word from leaking out. Both forces engage in full on warfare, but its kept a complete secret from the civilian population at large of both nations. because both sides know if the word gets out that the civilians will demand total war, something neither side can afford.

So you have the option for much larger scale conflict than Infinity has right now, but it still doesn't require you to move the fluff to a point where everybody is fighting each other.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They don't necessarily have to change the fluff. It could be set to allow you to recreate the NeoColonial Wars as well as the Paradisio campaigns.

I don't think there would be much draw to a historal war in Infinity. They don't have the lore/fluff that GW does. Paridisio would still be Humans vs CA.

Plus with all the tech everybody has at their disposal there could easily be shadow wars that the civilians don't know about. Say Yu Jing actually led a full blown invasion of part of Svalarhima. Both Yu Jing and PanO would probably create a total comms blackout for any civilians in the area, to prevent word from leaking out. Both forces engage in full on warfare, but its kept a complete secret from the civilian population at large of both nations. because both sides know if the word gets out that the civilians will demand total war, something neither side can afford.

So what about the other factions? Can't do that for everyone and there's no reasons for Nomads, Haq, Arianda to be involved. Dawn is too populated and too buddy with Nomads for a blackout to work there (as nomads would love to embarrass the big two and let everyone know they were trying to take over Dawn). With the re-introduction of Shavastii's and several of them having been involved is starting various events in the current story line CB could easily be going the route of splintering things to give CA the advantage as that was the original story line years ago. CA took over earth.

The fluff is the way it is to justify small team-on-team engagements and no major tanks/vehicles: it's all currently cold-war black-ops. Remember that the in-game definition of "Infinity" is the code for crap hitting the fan so badly that Aleph/O12 can't tell if any particular engagement will be the one that pushes it over into full-blown all out war. "Infinity" is is that hair-thin line between Defcon2 and Defcon1. With all the stuff happening last year and this year, it wouldn't be a far fetched idea that the Human Sphere goes from cold war to hot war and the 15mm game represents those larger scale battles while Infinity continues to be team black ops

15mm spaceship game. This would intrigue me. I never got to play enough Full Thrust or Battlefleet Gothic BitD.

IIRC, the hint was that an entirely new way to play Infinity was coming. I would like for a version of the TTG where one has 5-10 operatives, and they are to some extent, customizable, like a Spec Ops. Something between the current game and the RPG. Something that is not a lifestyle game. However, we'll see soon enough.

We'll hear something more next Saturday, from the Adepticon seminar.

I would really like a multiplayer game. Aristeia is fun, and not a lifestyle game in anyway, but 2-player games don't get much time in my group.

I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

Might be a TCG set in the infinity universe ... or possibly a video game.

I feel like an Infinity Board Game might be likely. Board Games are big money makers right now.

thatAJguy wrote:
I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

I think people would riot.


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 BertBert wrote:
Might be a TCG set in the infinity universe ... or possibly a video game.

Video Game - Yes

Card Game - Meh

 Red_Five wrote:

thatAJguy wrote:
I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

I think people would riot.

I'd be okay with that. People claimed that the whole JSA thing "ruined" YJ...but the armies were so clearly separated to start with that it was a non-starter argument. It just meant that people couldn't use JSA's cheap troops as fodder for vanilla anymore.

And it's still worth mentioning that CB still hasn't released a new ninja model for JSA to purchase by itself. It's stuck in Red Veil.

 BertBert wrote:
Might be a TCG set in the infinity universe ... or possibly a video game.

Video Game - Yes

Card Game - Meh

Video game ain't happening. It would require an in-house studio or something because CB isn't good about working with others it seems.

YA, VG would be a mess as CB would want control over every part of it's story. Just look how slow the RPG release has been. CB has been pretty much ingoring that to get their new book out and nothing has progressed since November as there's only one person at CB, Gutier (sp?) that is allowed to sign off on all rules, unit stats, and fluff -- No one else.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:

thatAJguy wrote:
I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

I think people would riot.

I'd be okay with that. People claimed that the whole JSA thing "ruined" YJ...but the armies were so clearly separated to start with that it was a non-starter argument. It just meant that people couldn't use JSA's cheap troops as fodder for vanilla anymore.

It didn't go over well with Warmachine/Hordes with PP did basically this with MK3. I don't think it would go over well with Infinity either even if in the long run I don't think there would be a huge change to the game outside of maybe finally being able to get rid of the "not starter" starter packs they sell. Which would fix the problem Kan mentioned like having a Ninja not available for individual purchase.

 Red Harvest wrote:
15mm spaceship game. This would intrigue me. I never got to play enough Full Thrust or Battlefleet Gothic BitD.

*blinks*

15mm is a larger scale than X-Wing currently uses, so you might want to rethink that

thatAJguy wrote:
I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

I think this is inevitable. Either the complete elimination of vanilla or a relatively drastic change to how vanilla works. I feel like they've been heading in this direction for years.

 jake wrote:

thatAJguy wrote:
I was thinking maybe the big shake up will be no more vanilla armies. Would prob make balancing things easier

I think this is inevitable. Either the complete elimination of vanilla or a relatively drastic change to how vanilla works. I feel like they've been heading in this direction for years.

Even if such a thing is coming, I doubt its the "New way to play Infinity" they've teased.

I wouldn't mind some changes to how a vanilla army operates. They are pretty overshadowed by sectorials in terms of power. More unit choices is weaker than link teams for the most part. But changing vanilla rules is hardly an entirely new game levels of hype.

The new thing has to be an entirely new game. Either using an entirely new model line OR an alternate mode that lets you use the same models but has a completely different ruleset.

Yeah, I don't think eliminating vanilla will be the "new way to play Infinity". Rather, I think thats their current goal for this edition. A few years ago they talked about how their intention was that every model would be a sectorial model. That seems to be the direction they're heading. At the moment I can't really think of anything (besides the CA EI aspects) that don't have a sectorial home (even if its a sectorial that isn't out yet). I suspect that by the end of this edition every model will have a sectorial home,and the new edition will launch without vanilla armies, or with some very limited vanilla army building options.

Anyway, I have no idea what the "new way to play" will be. I HOPE its a smaller scale narrative skirmish game. That would be something I'd enjoy.

They are obviously making an Infinity MMO. You heard it here first.

 Cannibal wrote:
They are obviously making an Infinity MMO. You heard it here first.

Well... I mean, any attempt would probably be disastrous. But I would love a decent MMO in the Infinity universe.

It's going to be a battle royale clone.

Maybe a text adventure?

[An enemy Fusilier runs around the corner.]

-shoot enemy fusilier

[Shoot enemy Fusilier with what?]

-shoot enemy fusilier WITH GUN

[You cannot do that: your gun is still holstered.]

-UNHOLSTER GUN

[The enemy Fusilier has shot you. You are dead.]

Colossal Cave Infinity Adventure?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
15mm spaceship game. This would intrigue me. I never got to play enough Full Thrust or Battlefleet Gothic BitD.

*blinks*

15mm is a larger scale than X-Wing currently uses, so you might want to rethink that

The minis are to be ~15mm in size. What the actual scale is, who can know. Given the actual size of space, any ship is going to be wildly out of scale on any sort of tabletop.

However, given the difficulties CB is currently having, or said to have, with SKU bloat, I doubt any sort of new line of minis will be forthcoming, in 15mm or in any other size.