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Yu Jing and Haqq paint sets this time. First sets were Pan-O and Nomads. It appears these are following the IceStorm, Red Veil pattern, making the next releases ALEPH and Ariadna, then who knows. O-12 and CA?

I ordered the Pan-O set. Theoretically, it arrives today. I've not used Vallejo paints before --I tend to use real artist's colors, Liquitex, Golden, so it'll be interesting. Maybe I'll finally get some of my IceStorm Pan-O stuff painted to completion.... le sigh

I'm hoping for those other factions paintsets. I'm curious about the included aleph model though,as I don't really see a Dakini option for it (the only model missing being the grenade launcher one, and I don't think they'd use swc profiles for this)

Do we know what the mini is in the Haqqislam Paint Set?

(And do we know its release date?)

No info about the mini or release date. Given how early GameNerdz listed the Operacion: Wildfire, I'd say we are looking at an October or November release.

I'd be curious about the amount of color repetition among the sets. Right now, of the 8 colors in the Pan-O and Nomad sets, only black is repeated. Ah, and the Pan-O set has no flesh color, even though the mini has exposed flesh. Angel's little step-by-step guide that comes in the box omits the part about painting the mini's head. Meh. The Nomads, irony unintentional to be certain, have a paint called Sunny Skin Tone.

 Alpharius wrote:
Do we know what the mini is in the Haqqislam Paint Set?

(And do we know its release date?)

September for the Haqq and YJ paint sets. The mini will most likely be a Ghulam, maybe a forward observer.

 Red Harvest wrote:


I'd be curious about the amount of color repetition among the sets. Right now, of the 8 colors in the Pan-O and Nomad sets, only black is repeated. Ah, and the Pan-O set has no flesh color, even though the mini has exposed flesh. Angel's little step-by-step guide that comes in the box omits the part about painting the mini's head. Meh. The Nomads, irony unintentional to be certain, have a paint called Sunny Skin Tone.

Ya they more then assuredly will. Privateers sets had a lot of overlap but were really only ment for starting out. Army Painter learned they could add exclusive minis to get people to buy them even if they had duplicates and Valjio is following suite. Without the mini FOMO all you need is one or two and then can just look at what paints are included to buy as needed.

Sunny Skin is one of Angels favorite paints for highlighting. He uses it a lot so I wouldn't be surprised to see that one pop up in more then one set.

Operation Wildfire and all the associated pre-orders are up on beasts of war now!

None of the new stuff speaks to me personally, O-12 gives me vague mass effect vibes and the shasvasti just seem to be lacking character. They definitely manage to come across more ominous than they did before though.

Question about the valkyrie preorder exclusive, will they likely do a resculpt for a normal later release? I like the armour and gear, just hoping for a better pose

When they do general releases for exclusives it's different arms/heads and never a different pose.

Dart is a precedent for complete other model.

So reading the outrage over the new GW game's pricing I'm surprised that there's none here for Wildfire's pricing. Basically the GW game is $170 for 28 figures and a bunch of plastic terrain. Wildfire is $130 for 14 figures (15 with preorder fig) and cardboard.

Seams like the Warcry game is much more reasonable pricing for what you get compared to what Wildfire is. Maybe it's because CB allows for more then a 20% discount?

You also get a game that's guaranteed to be supported once the initial run has sold out.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
So reading the outrage over the new GW game's pricing I'm surprised that there's none here for Wildfire's pricing. Basically the GW game is $170 for 28 figures and a bunch of plastic terrain. Wildfire is $130 for 14 figures (15 with preorder fig) and cardboard.

Seams like the Warcry game is much more reasonable pricing for what you get compared to what Wildfire is. Maybe it's because CB allows for more then a 20% discount?

We know why the price is higher than it was for Icestorm, Red Veil, and the one with the hillbillies-- The noticeably improved terrain. It is indeed 3mm thick material, so it'll be very durable. It accounts for the $30 price increase, more or less. Or so the story goes.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
So reading the outrage over the new GW game's pricing I'm surprised that there's none here for Wildfire's pricing. Basically the GW game is $170 for 28 figures and a bunch of plastic terrain. Wildfire is $130 for 14 figures (15 with preorder fig) and cardboard.

Seams like the Warcry game is much more reasonable pricing for what you get compared to what Wildfire is. Maybe it's because CB allows for more then a 20% discount?

Apples and nectarines. And the apple is probably a Golden Delicious. Both are fruit, but they're not interchangeable and their relative costs don't really matter if you have a preference.

On the one hand you have what are likely to be GW plastic "press fit" style plastic figures, and rules written by Games Workshop. This is the apple.
On the other hand you have metal figures, and rules written by Corvus Belli. This is the nectarine.

If I'm not mistaken the prices for two player boxes haven't changed for like 5 years. Like Red said the content has improved and Solkan is spot on.

I for one would not pay GW prices for plastic minis and gakky rules.

The terrain being something we use instead of something we toss would be interesting to see in action.

Thanks for the responses. I find the differences between what people find in value between games interesting.

As I said in the GW thread I pre-ordered wildfire as I thought it was a good deal and I like the setting and art direction. I do prefer plastic minis and plastic terrain and to me the Warcry starter is a better deal price wise but I probably won't get it just due to lack of interest in what's in the starter (probably will get some army boxes as they have some cool designs to use in RPGs or just paint).

Nectarines are terrible, as every schoolboy knows. Plums, now there's your money fruit.

The interesting thing to come is when/if CB releases the terrain as a separate item. What pricing then? Current terrain sets are $12.49 MSRP.

Ah, the Yu Jing and Haqq paint sets are a 30 September release date. I'm finding the Vallejo paints to be fairly nice. The dropper bottles are convenient over what my usual paints are in.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nectarines are terrible, as every schoolboy knows. Plums, now there's your money fruit.

The interesting thing to come is when/if CB releases the terrain as a separate item. What pricing then? Current terrain sets are $12.49 MSRP.

Ah, the Yu Jing and Haqq paint sets are a 30 September release date. I'm finding the Vallejo paints to be fairly nice. The dropper bottles are convenient over what my usual paints are in.

The terrain is definitely coming separately, they showed the box for it in the Wildfire unboxing video. It’s coming in September according to this release schedule.

 LunarSol wrote:
The terrain being something we use instead of something we toss would be interesting to see in action.

I think most people keep the scenery packs. At least till they've gotten enough of them to build their collection. They are very useful for filling out a table. I put the unit boxes in them like they are designed and that makes them plenty sturdy for regular use.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The terrain being something we use instead of something we toss would be interesting to see in action.

I think most people keep the scenery packs. At least till they've gotten enough of them to build their collection. They are very useful for filling out a table. I put the unit boxes in them like they are designed and that makes them plenty sturdy for regular use.

They definitely get used with a bit of reinforcement, but mostly because people keep giving them away and there's always someone who's too much of a horder to not insist on salvaging them.


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Glad to see Puppetnautica finally coming out! Now to pine for Mary.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nectarines are terrible, as every schoolboy knows. Plums, now there's your money fruit.

The interesting thing to come is when/if CB releases the terrain as a separate item. What pricing then? Current terrain sets are $12.49 MSRP.

Ah, the Yu Jing and Haqq paint sets are a 30 September release date. I'm finding the Vallejo paints to be fairly nice. The dropper bottles are convenient over what my usual paints are in.

The terrain is definitely coming separately, they showed the box for it in the Wildfire unboxing video. It’s coming in September according to this release schedule.

It's already up for preoder on gamenerdz. $25.

Lots of things up there now like new pupnicks, carmen & bastard, new kazaks and so on.

The terrain would have to be a good step up from the regular stuff if its going to be $25.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
Nectarines are terrible, as every schoolboy knows. Plums, now there's your money fruit.

The interesting thing to come is when/if CB releases the terrain as a separate item. What pricing then? Current terrain sets are $12.49 MSRP.

Ah, the Yu Jing and Haqq paint sets are a 30 September release date. I'm finding the Vallejo paints to be fairly nice. The dropper bottles are convenient over what my usual paints are in.

The terrain is definitely coming separately, they showed the box for it in the Wildfire unboxing video. It’s coming in September according to this release schedule.

It's already up for preoder on gamenerdz. $25.

Lots of things up there now like new pupnicks, carmen & bastard, new kazaks and so on.

Puppetactica, not pupniks

Anyone know what model thr yu jing pint set is getting?

 solkan wrote:

On the one hand you have what are likely to be GW plastic "press fit" style plastic figures, and rules written by Games Workshop. This is the apple.
On the other hand you have metal figures, and rules written by Corvus Belli. This is the nectarine.

So on one hand you have easy to construct models designed by people who think about how bits go together, and bland but probably working rules, and on the other you have models made of material that is harder to work with and keeps paint poorly, with rules that have a solid core, but written in spanglish with inevitable Skill Bloat with every new army?

I find both companies' pricing to be on the heavy side, and the Wildfire starterpack definitely moves it out of "easy to rationalize" purchase territory.

 PurpleSquig wrote:
Operation Wildfire and all the associated pre-orders are up on beasts of war now!

None of the new stuff speaks to me personally, O-12 gives me vague mass effect vibes and the shasvasti just seem to be lacking character. They definitely manage to come across more ominous than they did before though.

I kind of agree with you there...

The old CA range had a lot of character, and every faction kind of had it's own look and feel.

It might be the switch to digital sculpting or it might be a conscious design choice, but a lot of the Combined Army is starting to look way to similar, in terms of the overall theme?

Again, probably on purpose.

The new Shasvasti do look 'nice' and very well done, very competent.

But I can only imagine how well the Exrah would have sold if they were given similar attention.

(Pouring one out for the Caskuda!)

 Alpharius wrote:

 PurpleSquig wrote:
Operation Wildfire and all the associated pre-orders are up on beasts of war now!

None of the new stuff speaks to me personally, O-12 gives me vague mass effect vibes and the shasvasti just seem to be lacking character. They definitely manage to come across more ominous than they did before though.

I kind of agree with you there...

The old CA range had a lot of character, and every faction kind of had it's own look and feel.

It might be the switch to digital sculpting or it might be a conscious design choice, but a lot of the Combined Army is starting to look way to similar, in terms of the overall theme?

Again, probably on purpose.

The new Shasvasti do look 'nice' and very well done, very competent.

But I can only imagine how well the Exrah would have sold if they were given similar attention.

(Pouring one out for the Caskuda!)

It probably is a conscious design choice for the Combined Army to start looking very similar. It almost certainly is for the paint scheme. It is basically the "Chaos Paradox"--if the troops look like they come from three different factions, then people are going to complain that they don't look like a cohesive army. :-/

I'll join you in pouring one out for the Caskuda. But every time I see a thread concerning the interactions of Combat Jump, Hack Transport Aircraft, and Explode caused by having one Yu Jing HI with Explode X... Caskuda would have been blood in the streets from all of the rioting.

...but what a party that would have been!!!

It would have been great, but unfortunately Exrach never sold.

...because they didn't get the love/updates/digital treatment that they deserved?

(Like the Shasvasti are?)


Possibly?

But I feel like we had this Chicken/Egg conversation a few years back...