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I just cannot get excited about 0-12 as a faction. Those new Shasvastii are looking pretty good though.

Still, everything is a pass for me. Has been for a while. The uncertainty of what N4 may bring has dampened my enthusiasm for adding minis to my already too large collection of the unpainted.

Apparently there's "a new way to play" coming called "Code One".

"Simplified rules! Different point values! It will have a unique ITS!".

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently there's "a new way to play" coming called "Code One".

"Simplified rules! Different point values! It will have a unique ITS!".

Where is this info coming from?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently there's "a new way to play" coming called "Code One".

"Simplified rules! Different point values! It will have a unique ITS!".

This si the first I'm hearing fo this. Where's it from?

Official forums. Apparently Bostria was talking about it? I don't really keep up too much these days, but saw the mention.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Official forums. Apparently Bostria was talking about it? I don't really keep up too much these days, but saw the mention.

Thanks, found the post, relayed here for convenience:

Bostria is in the BoW/OTT Weekender.

Mostly Defiance related (they've been recording for the launch week) but a little tidbit or two about N4.

First: Still D20 based, no Aristeia!/Defiance dice

Second: N4 will first launch as Infinity: Code One, this is a simplified version of the game (think Operation: Thingthing levels of complexity) launched as a full fledged system with organised play support and a dedicated mode in Army Builder, this will be supplemented with "Full" N4 much in the way Icestorm was released as a lead in to N3.

Not all units will be available in C1 but all factions will be playable at launch, and new packaging for models will indicate if they are C1 compliant.

The idea is to have a more accessible, and fully supported, level of Infinity that can be played as a full tournament game, to complement the advanced game. It is very much aimed at people that don't have the time or capacity to learn a large complex game like N3 but still using that identifiable core of Orders, AROs, and F2F rolls.

edit: Yep, N4 related.

Looks like a soft launch.

Yeah, it's a cool sculpt but it's a shame his rifle looks like it is designed to pipe icing onto a cake.

I thought it was less the "complex" rules that put people off the game and more the God awful fiddly models.
I mean they seem to have mostly got rid of the tiny fiddly bits by GW'ing the models scale wise, but now they seem to be cutting the models in bizarre ways I guess to hinder them being recast.
The Japanese heavy from there original box that was cut length ways was fething awful to put together nothing actually fit I had to use a vice to get the main halfs together so the other bits would fit.
Every other set I bought since that has a model cut that way tends to be a massive ball ache that does not fit together without way too much work. I have a pile of stuff I have just put to one side because there not worth the work to build/fix.

I did hear about the N4 having "simplified" rules in it, and thought it's not going to work because players will still have to make the jump to "full" rules if they want to play with others.
But if this is really going to be a real, fully supported game mode, with it's own balance and statlines, I might be much more interested, even if gluing the godawful metal models will drive me to drinking. I hope for something around N1 complexity honestly.

Carlos talks about this (and the new Defenders KS) on BoW




basically right from the start

CB is going to fully support 2 different versions on Infinity?

A Basic and Advanced set?

Hard to believe they’ll be able to pull this off, but hey, stranger things have happened...

 Alpharius wrote:
CB is going to fully support 2 different versions on Infinity?

A Basic and Advanced set?

Hard to believe they’ll be able to pull this off, but hey, stranger things have happened...

I can't comment on their corporate level of support both digitally online and regarding physical stock in stores but I'm looking forward to the two different versions potentially. I got really excited about N3 but the complexity of the rules and the nomenclature use turned me off even though I liked the mechanics in general from watching Icestorm learn to play videos upon its release. I don't consider myself a simpleton and I'm sure I could get it with concerted effort but I just didn't feel like putting in the time and effort with no local scene to speak of for the game (meaning that I'd have to likely teach everyone else the same rules and nomenclature over and over).

If I were a betting man, I would say that Corvus Belli is basically making a format that is similar to Standard in Magic and Hyperspace in X-Wing.

There are something like 15,000 cards in Magic's history. That is way too many cards for any new player to sort through. So to make the game simpler, the designers created the Standard format, which only allows cards from the last two years worth of sets. The limited card pool makes it much easier for new players to evaluate cards and create competitive decks compared to Legacy (where all sets are legal) or Modern (where all sets from the last 15 years are legal).

Hyperspace for X-Wing - in theory - takes a similar tactic. There are more than 60+ ships now-a-days and hundreds of pilot and upgrade cards. This makes for a very complex game that very much favors the enfranchised players who own all of the ships. To combat the disparity between enfranchised and new players, FFG created the Hyperspace format. FFG hand selected a small number of ships, pilots and upgrade cards that would form the core of each faction, and the format overall. Any new ships released during a Hyperspace season are automatically added to the format. This means the number of ships, pilots and upgrade cards new players have to buy and/or be cognoscente of is much reduced compared to the Extended format (where everything is legal).

I pretty much see Code One emulating these formats for Infinity. Each faction will only have a small subset of units available to it. Those units will be focused on providing the "core experience" of that faction and drilling down into what makes each faction unique and interesting. The profiles selected for each unit will enforce the "core experience" while also being simple and easy to use. Most profiles will be pretty basic, with a lot of the weird and complex skills and equipment simply removed (either directly by not being present on the selected profiles or by way of complex units not being added to Code One). I imagine skills and equipment with a lot of choices (like hacking) will be simplified so the units will only have access to a select number of programs. Instead of a unit coming with a hacking device that comes pre-loaded with a bunch of programs, the profile will simply list the programs it has access to.

So basically Code One is simpler than N4 mostly by the fact that each faction will be composed of a small number of hand selected units whose profiles are curated with an eye towards simplicity and fun.

Yeah, I'd not be surprised by that. I suspect they'd probably just limit it by Sectorial (and probably require Sectorial) but a limited format makes sense.

I felt CB needed an answer to the way GW took 40k with 8th edition and I'm glad they finally are. I like Infinity but sometimes I just want to throw dice with a friend and while 40k is more than sufficient I'd be happy for Infinity to be a part of that.

Also may Zhayedan will have their day in a simpler rule set lol.

My hope is it's a more simplified over all ruleset but I think Red_five is correct. Since CB started getting rid of sectorials I've always felt they should have a limited format vs everything they've ever made.

I think this would have prevented JSA-gate as the new stuff in limited is merc but you still have this other way where they can be played in both.

I don't think CB can pull this off, and eventually (quickly, soon?) we'll be left with one (hopefully) stream-lined ruleset.

Maybe?

Kanluwen wrote:Apparently there's "a new way to play" coming called "Code One".

"Simplified rules! Different point values! It will have a unique ITS!".

We might finally see if GW could have done it with AoS.
Players might just not bother though.

SeanDrake wrote:I thought it was less the "complex" rules that put people off the game and more the God awful fiddly models.
I mean they seem to have mostly got rid of the tiny fiddly bits by GW'ing the models scale wise, but now they seem to be cutting the models in bizarre ways I guess to hinder them being recast.
The Japanese heavy from there original box that was cut length ways was fething awful to put together nothing actually fit I had to use a vice to get the main halfs together so the other bits would fit.
Every other set I bought since that has a model cut that way tends to be a massive ball ache that does not fit together without way too much work. I have a pile of stuff I have just put to one side because there not worth the work to build/fix.

The old stuff maybe, but the new stuff goes together really well. Not sure how tat went wrong for you, I only have new OSS though.
The complex rules are enough to give me pause before a game. I could play other games that are fun and engaging but don't involve finding the bit of a rule we need to figure out how something works.

BrotherGecko wrote:I felt CB needed an answer to the way GW took 40k with 8th edition and I'm glad they finally are. I like Infinity but sometimes I just want to throw dice with a friend and while 40k is more than sufficient I'd be happy for Infinity to be a part of that.

Making the parts of playing a game that isn't actually playing (like learning and continuing to know how it works) as easy as possible would help.
If you just want to throw dice and have a laugh I would look at Gaslands, it's good fun and a ridiculously affordable extra game.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I felt CB needed an answer to the way GW took 40k with 8th edition and I'm glad they finally are. I like Infinity but sometimes I just want to throw dice with a friend and while 40k is more than sufficient I'd be happy for Infinity to be a part of that.

Also may Zhayedan will have their day in a simpler rule set lol.

Ash at GMG had some quick play style rules for Infinity (I think he has them on FB page) which worked pretty well. Basically limited the number of Impetuous and camo troops and the like. It seemed pretty decent, but them not being offical meant getting other players on board was pretty hard.

but the new stuff goes together really well

I've glued, or tried gluing, the contents of Icestorm and Red Veil. In most cases, I've had arms and gun-arms misalign (Zanshi, Ghulam, Fusilier), and some parts not really fitting together (lady fusilier leg peg and hole were not informed they should fit together). That doesn't include the miniscule connector points in some cases. Looking back, I've had much fewer problems fitting 1st edition models than these new ones.

Just wait till you build Wildfire!
Most well fit models, EVER!
/sarcasm

The O-12 side of things has huuuuuuuuuge problems. The big guy has significant gaps around the head area, the Gangbuster has gaps around the arm holding the shotgun, etc.

I find Infinity models need wire cutters to clip off some port tabs, but for metal they go together well. I often use greenstuff to help metals stick but rarely need to with the Infinity stuff. I think the only thing recently I've had problems with is the Puppetactica bunny. Her waist just sockets into the hips a little too smoothly to hold without something.

Got my first Mowang, and now see I can make a 4 man team, if I get more

they are also BIG!
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so first one as seen has the rifle/pistol
plan for the next are pistol/red fury
rifle and red fury-Heavy specialist
dual pistols as Sergeant.


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Mowang looks to be close to S6.

Compared to other S5 models with one S6 Cameronian. He's a big boy, but not that big. The diminutive Gamma Trooper doesn't help.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Just wait till you build Wildfire!
Most well fit models, EVER!
/sarcasm

The O-12 side of things has huuuuuuuuuge problems. The big guy has significant gaps around the head area, the Gangbuster has gaps around the arm holding the shotgun, etc.

My Gamma went together really well. No gaps at all. My friend's Gamma has a gap that will need to be filled with green stuff, sadly.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Compared to other S5 models with one S6 Cameronian. He's a big boy, but not that big. The diminutive Gamma Trooper doesn't help.

Spoiler:

What is the more primitive looking model on the far left? Is that an ariadna blackjack?

It's an Ariadnan Ratnik. Think Blackjack, but crap.

 .Mikes. wrote:
It's an Ariadnan Ratnik. Think Blackjack, but crap.

Thanks. I didn't recognize it without the goofy looking hammer I assume was cropped off. I like that overall asthetic but can't comment on the rules as I mainly follow this thread/infinity/CB for gratuitous miniature pron.