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Those new Raicho pilots don't sell themselves.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Those new Raicho pilots don't sell themselves.

I don't normally do a "Fixed That For You", but I feel this one's appropriate.

They were dumb to try and play the "Some products sold separately" game with us regarding the pilots/crabbots. There are some who will always argue that the presence of those things would "raise the price too high", but they're full of it.

How about the TAG and the pilot don't fit in the blisterbox?

No article yet. Well, 13 days 'til the adepticon seminar.

 Red Harvest wrote:
How about the TAG and the pilot don't fit in the blisterbox?

Also garbage excuse. There's so much wasted spaces in these boxes that it's...well, it's wasteful! With how everything is put into baggies and the two spongey foam inserts, there's enough room at least for the pilot/deployable bot in addition to the TAG.

No article yet. Well, 13 days 'til the adepticon seminar.

Not enough time to drink Yu Jing tears, remember?

 Kanluwen wrote:
There are some who will always argue that the presence of those things would "raise the price too high", but they're full of it.

And there will always be armchair company managers.

It did not happen, this is the reasoning it was given, someday consider to giving it a rest.

Or, you know, you could accept that this forum is full of armchair company managers and it's basically how discussion goes here and accept it. Some people disagree with what CB does, and forums are a place to voice that. It doesn't mean they dislike CB or their product.

I know that the whole "they said they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister, but they totally did" thing keeps coming up. Did any of you actually see the Tik that came in the tournament pack? Yes, it was crammed into a blister, but it was a really, really tight fit. Tight enough that after I opened it I couldn't get it closed again. So while it did fit, CB may have felt like it wasn't a viable packaging solution. Too crammed, likely to rupture, likely to damage parts (the shoulder pad of my Tik model was all scratched up in the package). I don't know if this actually was the the reason they decided to double pack it with the other TAG, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

I saw it, I didn't think it was that bad. Admittedly, I didn't open it (we had both that and Joe Turner for that tournament for 1st and 2nd, I chose Joe).

I have for sure seen blisters that were even more overstuffed (Clan Wars infantry, for example), but I felt like it was pretty stuffed. I can see why they wouldn't want to do it as a retail package.

On the other hand, it does seem to me like they could have more easily offered both models separately in plain brown boxes from their website. I can think of a few reasons not to do that, but I really think they could have if they wanted to.




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I do like that some of the new JSA units have PanO weapons. Thats a neat touch.

 jake wrote:
...It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

Agreed. CB would have done themselves a huge favor by saying something like that, or "retailers like the boxes for display purposes" etc.

Not to be an "armchair company manager" or anything , but I am surprised the CB has not explored packaging double blisters into boxes that are half the size of the regular boxes. This is something that Wyrd has done with singles and doubles. It makes for a nice look on a shelf.

Still no article.

Wyrd's problem is that they put the model name on the side in a boring, but easily read banner. Retailers put all their stuff on shelves like a library rack and nobody can see any of the nice box art.

 jake wrote:
I know that the whole "they said they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister, but they totally did" thing keeps coming up. Did any of you actually see the Tik that came in the tournament pack? Yes, it was crammed into a blister, but it was a really, really tight fit. Tight enough that after I opened it I couldn't get it closed again. So while it did fit, CB may have felt like it wasn't a viable packaging solution. Too crammed, likely to rupture, likely to damage parts (the shoulder pad of my Tik model was all scratched up in the package). I don't know if this actually was the the reason they decided to double pack it with the other TAG, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

The Tikbalang was available in the box before the blister came out.

So it wasn't a "We made them in blisters, it looked bad" deal. It's also worth mentioning that my Szalamandra(new version) had some scratches and stuff on it too despite being in a box. It happens sometimes with metal models, most often it's from them pulling it weird from the mold or just the thing getting scratched in the process. It's easy enough to file/sand smooth.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
I know that the whole "they said they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister, but they totally did" thing keeps coming up. Did any of you actually see the Tik that came in the tournament pack? Yes, it was crammed into a blister, but it was a really, really tight fit. Tight enough that after I opened it I couldn't get it closed again. So while it did fit, CB may have felt like it wasn't a viable packaging solution. Too crammed, likely to rupture, likely to damage parts (the shoulder pad of my Tik model was all scratched up in the package). I don't know if this actually was the the reason they decided to double pack it with the other TAG, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

The Tikbalang was available in the box before the blister came out.

So it wasn't a "We made them in blisters, it looked bad" deal. It's also worth mentioning that my Szalamandra(new version) had some scratches and stuff on it too despite being in a box. It happens sometimes with metal models, most often it's from them pulling it weird from the mold or just the thing getting scratched in the process. It's easy enough to file/sand smooth.

Yes, everyone knows that the Tik was only ever available for sale in the box. And no, they didn't have to actually make a blistered verion to come to the conclusion that it might look bad, potentially damage the model, rupture the packaging, be a poor display for the item, be a poor representation of the items vaule or otherwise not be a good idea.

And no, they didn't have to actually make a blistered verion to come to the conclusion that it might look bad, potentially damage the model, rupture the packaging, be a poor display for the item, be a poor representation of the items vaule or otherwise not be a good idea.

No package is ever going to be ideal and safe from transportation hazards. It'd be interesting to see what their documentation says about this. Such things are usually found there.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
I know that the whole "they said they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister, but they totally did" thing keeps coming up. Did any of you actually see the Tik that came in the tournament pack? Yes, it was crammed into a blister, but it was a really, really tight fit. Tight enough that after I opened it I couldn't get it closed again. So while it did fit, CB may have felt like it wasn't a viable packaging solution. Too crammed, likely to rupture, likely to damage parts (the shoulder pad of my Tik model was all scratched up in the package). I don't know if this actually was the the reason they decided to double pack it with the other TAG, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

The Tikbalang was available in the box before the blister came out.

So it wasn't a "We made them in blisters, it looked bad" deal. It's also worth mentioning that my Szalamandra(new version) had some scratches and stuff on it too despite being in a box. It happens sometimes with metal models, most often it's from them pulling it weird from the mold or just the thing getting scratched in the process. It's easy enough to file/sand smooth.

Yes, everyone knows that the Tik was only ever available for sale in the box. And no, they didn't have to actually make a blistered verion to come to the conclusion that it might look bad, potentially damage the model, rupture the packaging, be a poor display for the item, be a poor representation of the items vaule or otherwise not be a good idea.

That's not the way your posting reads however. Specifically because of the underlined statement.

So why weren't other similarly sized items "double-packed" with items that go outside of their Sectorial?

This is the part that you and Storm kept ignoring/trying to downplay on the official forums. A large amount of the annoyance factor over the garbage about "WE CAN'T FIT IT IN A BLISTER!"(and then them promptly doing so) is because of the simple fact that:
NEOTERRA CANNOT TAKE TIKBALANGS AND SHOCK ARMY CANNOT TAKE UHLANS
Yeah, sure it's great for Vanilla players but it sucked for anyone who played strictly one or the other. It was the same issue with the Geckos and the fact that it was 1 of each profile.
It was unfriendly packaging for customers, it could have been avoided, and no attempt was ever made to address that other than "Go split box it with someone".

 LunarSol wrote:
Wyrd's problem is that they put the model name on the side in a boring, but easily read banner. Retailers put all their stuff on shelves like a library rack and nobody can see any of the nice box art.

More of a retailer's problem. Leading a horse to water and all that. I suppose the solution is to print "Front Toward Customer" on the front of each box. One would think that the FLGS owners and managers would take a clue from, oh say, every other retailer and display the box in a way that catches the customer's eye.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Wyrd's problem is that they put the model name on the side in a boring, but easily read banner. Retailers put all their stuff on shelves like a library rack and nobody can see any of the nice box art.

More of a retailer's problem. Leading a horse to water and all that. I suppose the solution is to print "Front Toward Customer" on the front of each box. One would think that the FLGS owners and managers would take a clue from, oh say, every other retailer and display the box in a way that catches the customer's eye.

They take up a lot of shelf space turned sideways and can be kind of hard to find what you're looking for. I mostly agree, but I think the boxes could be improved to make it less of an issue as well.

Red Harvest wrote:
Not to be an "armchair company manager" or anything , but I am surprised the CB has not explored packaging double blisters into boxes that are half the size of the regular boxes. This is something that Wyrd has done with singles and doubles. It makes for a nice look on a shelf.

Still no article.

They have explored it, nothing conclusive of it yet as far as I know, present format seems to work.

Still no article.....

Kanluwen wrote:The Tikbalang was available in the box before the blister came out.

Correct, hence why Tony is a modified version that has one arm altered so it can fit inside a blister, normal tickbalang cannot.

Kanluwen wrote:
So why weren't other similarly sized items "double-packed" with items that go outside of their Sectorial?

No other example exists?

Kanluwen wrote:
This is the part that you and Storm kept ignoring/trying to downplay on the official forums. A large amount of the annoyance factor over the garbage about "WE CAN'T FIT IT IN A BLISTER!"(and then them promptly doing so) is because of the simple fact that:

it is true the models as is cannot, they could theoretically be designed to fit in the blister with either a more boring pose or a bigger parts breakdown, this would create a an expensive blister, each TAG would cost a bit more since they are not bundled together and create an expansive blister that can relatively easy be shoplifted making it less than ideal for retailers, the boxes on expensive items serve more purposes than just simply for display.

Kanluwen wrote:
NEOTERRA CANNOT TAKE TIKBALANGS AND SHOCK ARMY CANNOT TAKE UHLANS
Yeah, sure it's great for Vanilla players but it sucked for anyone who played strictly one or the other. It was the same issue with the Geckos and the fact that it was 1 of each profile.
It was unfriendly packaging for customers, it could have been avoided, and no attempt was ever made to address that other than "Go split box it with someone".

As you said PanOceania can take both, even at the same time, it is unfriendly packaging for you friendly for others.

Why are we still arguing about how a 2 year old release was packaged in the news and rumours thread?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:
I know that the whole "they said they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister, but they totally did" thing keeps coming up. Did any of you actually see the Tik that came in the tournament pack? Yes, it was crammed into a blister, but it was a really, really tight fit. Tight enough that after I opened it I couldn't get it closed again. So while it did fit, CB may have felt like it wasn't a viable packaging solution. Too crammed, likely to rupture, likely to damage parts (the shoulder pad of my Tik model was all scratched up in the package). I don't know if this actually was the the reason they decided to double pack it with the other TAG, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also important to remember that the whole reason they put models in boxes instead of bigger blisters (which certainly do exist) is because it makes them easy to sell. People will hesitate to pay $30+ for 4 models or a single large model, but if its in a larger colorful box with lots of pictures it makes the price more palatable and the product more enticing. People are way less likely to pay $30+ for a blister over a box.

So when CB said "it won't fit in a blister" I think its very likely that this was a simplification of "we think a blister is a bad idea for this product for multiple reasons."

The Tikbalang was available in the box before the blister came out.

So it wasn't a "We made them in blisters, it looked bad" deal. It's also worth mentioning that my Szalamandra(new version) had some scratches and stuff on it too despite being in a box. It happens sometimes with metal models, most often it's from them pulling it weird from the mold or just the thing getting scratched in the process. It's easy enough to file/sand smooth.

Yes, everyone knows that the Tik was only ever available for sale in the box. And no, they didn't have to actually make a blistered verion to come to the conclusion that it might look bad, potentially damage the model, rupture the packaging, be a poor display for the item, be a poor representation of the items vaule or otherwise not be a good idea.

That's not the way your posting reads however. Specifically because of the underlined statement.

So why weren't other similarly sized items "double-packed" with items that go outside of their Sectorial?

This is the part that you and Storm kept ignoring/trying to downplay on the official forums. A large amount of the annoyance factor over the garbage about "WE CAN'T FIT IT IN A BLISTER!"(and then them promptly doing so) is because of the simple fact that:
NEOTERRA CANNOT TAKE TIKBALANGS AND SHOCK ARMY CANNOT TAKE UHLANS
Yeah, sure it's great for Vanilla players but it sucked for anyone who played strictly one or the other. It was the same issue with the Geckos and the fact that it was 1 of each profile.
It was unfriendly packaging for customers, it could have been avoided, and no attempt was ever made to address that other than "Go split box it with someone".

I havent posted anything on the official forum for over a year, and I haven't talked about this specific topic there for much longer than that. So I don't now what you're on about. Yes, we all know that they said that the model wouldn't fit in the blister. Just like we all know that youve taken this as the gravest possible offense, refuse to ever let it go and refuse to admit that there are other legitimate reasons that they may have not wanted to pack the model that way and "it doesn't fit" was the easy way to explain their descision without going into a huge amount of boring detail.

You know that the vast majority of players didn't really care about the packging, right? Just like with Dire Foes, Icetorm, the Beyond boxes and all the other packaging that so many of us like to complain about. All of that stuff sells just fine. Almost no one actually cares. Almost no one actually sees it as a real problem. Some people do, and thats fine (and not unjustified), but for the most part people don't keep complaining about it for years.

At this point I don't even understand what you want. Do you want CB to repackage the models? Do you want a personal apology from Carlos. Do you want someone from the company to admit that they lied and beg you for forgivness? Do you want them to make the TAGs available in each sectorial? You keep beating this long dead horse as if its a personal crusade that has any value or meaning. Its liteally been years. It doesn't matter. Let it o. Stop bringing up literally every chance you get, especially in completley unrelated cnversations. Or make a special thread just for yourself where you can endlessly complain about it without bothering the rest of us.

edit - never mind

As riveting as discussing cardboard boxes is, anyone know when we're supposed to here this Yu Jing thing CB has said would come?

 .Mikes. wrote:
As riveting as discussing cardboard boxes is, anyone know when we're supposed to here this Yu Jing thing CB has said would come?

Seriously, Mods deliver us.

Yu Jing & JSA are going to need some major releases now.
What about Zoe & Pi-well?
What about some of the upcoming Aristeia releases? When will they drop?

 .Mikes. wrote:
As riveting as discussing cardboard boxes is, anyone know when we're supposed to here this Yu Jing thing CB has said would come?

Nobody knows when it will come or if it will be anything of substance. Most likely it won't be anything of substance other than alluding to "Buy the Uprising book to find out how/why it happens!".


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 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
As riveting as discussing cardboard boxes is, anyone know when we're supposed to here this Yu Jing thing CB has said would come?

Seriously, Mods deliver us.

Yu Jing & JSA are going to need some major releases now.

Yu Jing is one of the most up to date factions at this point. JSA is about to be on par with that. We'll probably see Invincible Army this year, or at least the start of it, since Bostria made an offhanded comment about how the IA was "used to squash Japan".

What about Zoe & Pi-well?

What about them? We saw renders. They're coming. Soon. Maybe. We don't know.

What about some of the upcoming Aristeia releases? When will they drop?

They're slated for "Soon". It's the "Smoke and Mirrors" expansion next, with yet more pop culture references.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
As riveting as discussing cardboard boxes is, anyone know when we're supposed to here this Yu Jing thing CB has said would come?

Seriously, Mods deliver us.

Yu Jing & JSA are going to need some major releases now.
What about Zoe & Pi-well?
What about some of the upcoming Aristeia releases? When will they drop?

Bostria confirmed at Rumble that the Invincible Army was the replacement for JSA. Whether it gets fast tracked or not, who knows. The first Aresteia character pack is out next month or the month after, and IIRC there's a couple more earmarked for this year.

I'm curious how these non aligned armies will operate in the BoW campaigns. I guess they could align them to their thematic closest ties - JSA fight for whoever helps free them, Bayram fights for Haqqislam, Starco for Yu Jing, etc.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why are we still arguing about how a 2 year old release was packaged in the news and rumours thread?

Because today is Terrible & Tendentious Tuesday. It's a new tradition.

The appearance of a Ramah Task Force unit makes me think that Ramah will be 1 of the 4 new sectorials for certain -- Varuna, Tunguska, Ramah and Vedic. The re-appearance of the Halqa will be confirmation, methinks.

Any other interesting bits from the Rumble on Rte. 66? Next up is the Adepticon presentation in 12 days now.

"Smoke and Mirrors" expansion has a Lo Pan character. I have no idea about the other three characters.

Ah, here it is


Smoke and Mirrors in May, al parecer.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The appearance of a Ramah Task Force unit makes me think that Ramah will be 1 of the 4 new sectorials for certain -- Varuna, Tunguska, Ramah and Vedic. The re-appearance of the Halqa will be confirmation, methinks.

I'm getting a bit worried about Ramah. Around Red Veil they were pretty gung ho about Ramah, even saying that we might see a USAriadna style temporary list for them. Which we ended up seeing for Druze, not Ramah. And they basically went silent on Ramah. So yeah, it's nice to see something for them, but I'm concerned they might skip a book.

Which is annoying because about 1/2 to 2/3 of their stuff seems to be out. They could very easily make a temporary list by just releasing the Zhayedan and Khawarij boxes, and with how easy that is and the fact they're not doing it makes me think Ramah has slipped back for some reason.

Also, Halqa were earmarked for Gabqar Khanate.

 -Loki- wrote:

I'm curious how these non aligned armies will operate in the BoW campaigns. I guess they could align them to their thematic closest ties - JSA fight for whoever helps free them, Bayram fights for Haqqislam, Starco for Yu Jing, etc.

That is a good point, although I'm mre hopeful they'll sort the whole 'PanO winning everything through sheer number of players' thing first.

You must see the Druze as a Christmas bonus, a preview of the uprising book, nothing more.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

I'm curious how these non aligned armies will operate in the BoW campaigns. I guess they could align them to their thematic closest ties - JSA fight for whoever helps free them, Bayram fights for Haqqislam, Starco for Yu Jing, etc.

That is a good point, although I'm mre hopeful they'll sort the whole 'PanO winning everything through sheer number of players' thing first.

Weirdly, nobody else locally plays PanO, so my "solid wall of BS15*" that rolls slowly up the board is often considered some new and daring tactic.

* I'll admit, I sometimes make a BS attack at 14 too. Or 13, in the specific case of the Nisse.