Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I don't see what makes Sisters so "special" that they couldn't be in a starter set. They would play a lot like Marines do, I would think (just with more fire). In any case there's nothing about them that's so far beyond understanding or comprehension that it would be off-putting to a new player.

The most difficult thing to wrap your head around would be the fact that there's a woman inside the power armor instead of a man.

But any army can be a "starter" army, though, really. That's the point of the "Start Collecting" boxes, isn't it?

Well biggest problem with sisters being in starter set is that SoB vs marines doesn't make sense. So at best it would be marines AND SoB vs something else(Chaos presumably). While possible there's not been such an combo side for starter sets yet so that's quite a leap of logic...

More likely SoB release is just codex+models rather than starter set being involved anywhere.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't see what makes Sisters so "special" that they couldn't be in a starter set.

Easy to build, easy to paint, main faction, 'those are cool, I want to play them' effect. And Space Marines as mandatory Imperial faction.

 Sidstyler wrote:
But any army can be a "starter" army, though, really. That's the point of the "Start Collecting" boxes, isn't it?

Starting new armies is one thing. Starting the game another. Do I want a box with Sisters, GSC, Xenos mercenaries, IG veterans, Gue'vesa and Skitarii? Hell, yes. But would it sell enough to justify the risk? Would it attract enough new players? I don't think so.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Next boxed set: Sisters v Orks

Put me down for 3 sets....

In all seriousness though. Talon of the Emperor and Saint Celestine both debuted sister type models so it isn't out of the range of possibilities. But I tend to agree I think they will do something like they did for Overkill and do a boardgamish intro. Worked great for GSC.

Orks are a great starting point for an army. Even in the build and collect series geared toward a younger crowd they are going with marines and orks granted the old designs from black reach but still. With what they did with the new dark imperium i could see them doing like they did last year with the limited edition boxes. Space wolves vs orks, Blood Angels vs nids... only one i didn't get was harliquins vs whoever they had. But those were repacks basically of models with new hero models included so not sure how well that would work for Sisters who don't have plastic models yet.

I would hope for sisters vs orks just so I could have the sisters and all the stuff that comes in the ork box besides the boyz. I'd sell those boys and add new toys to my grot list

If sisters were in a starter, it better be either vs Word Bearers CSM, or vs Necrons.

tneva82 wrote:
Well biggest problem with sisters being in starter set is that SoB vs marines doesn't make sense. So at best it would be marines AND SoB vs something else(Chaos presumably). While possible there's not been such an combo side for starter sets yet so that's quite a leap of logic...

More likely SoB release is just codex+models rather than starter set being involved anywhere.

It would make sense if it were Sisters vs Grey Knights.....

MattW wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Sisters of Battle in a starter set, I believe is too wishlisting... if this was Fantasy, where starter had variety of armies, ok... but in 40k?

Yeah, but this is *new* GW now. I think that we were officially told that GW is moving to a new release model, right? Where we will see multiple iterations of starter boxes (which we haven’t seen yet); mini releases no longer tied to codexes (which we have seen); and more narrative campaigns (which, again, we’ve already started to see).

Sisters in a starter would make great opponents for a number of potential foes. With Slaanesh coming out this year, sisters would make a good contrasting force. Piousness vs wanton excess.

God damn it, you made it through my anti-wishlisiting defences. Sisters vs Slaanesh would be amazing and would cost me so much money, as those are the two armies I'm ready to go all in on....

Oh yeah, i'd buy Sisters vs Slaanesh if it had plastic Noise Marines.



Is Slaanesh confirmed for this year though?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't see what makes Sisters so "special" that they couldn't be in a starter set.

Easy to build, easy to paint, main faction, 'those are cool, I want to play them' effect. And Space Marines as mandatory Imperial faction.

 Sidstyler wrote:
But any army can be a "starter" army, though, really. That's the point of the "Start Collecting" boxes, isn't it?

Starting new armies is one thing. Starting the game another. Do I want a box with Sisters, GSC, Xenos mercenaries, IG veterans, Gue'vesa and Skitarii? Hell, yes. But would it sell enough to justify the risk? Would it attract enough new players? I don't think so.

I always giggle when I read stuff like this - I only spend inadvisable amounts of money on 40K and have for years because Little Me walked into the local GW to buy some Empire Halberdiers with my pocket money and instead walked out with the new Sisters of Battle codex with that stunning JB piece as the cover art.

People - GW included - vastly over estimate the power of Marines to entice new players relative to other factions. There's a certain threshold of "cool" you have to meet in order to get a potential new recruit to buy-in emotionally, and Marines absolutely do exceed that threshold, but I'm fairly sure so do future-goth bondage battle nuns, and cyborg men with giant robots, and a lot of other 40K things. Like a lot of scenarios when it comes to GW, "Marines mean the starter sells well" is a self-fulfilling prophecy; the starters always include Marines, and the starters always sell well, so they always put Marines in the starter and on & on.

Now, maybe it would turn out that literally no other faction in 40K is capable of shifting starter sets, but there's no way to actually know that until they release one that doesn't include Marines. I don't think they actually will, but unless & until it happens there's no basis for drawing conclusions on how well it would do.

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Next boxed set: Sisters v Orks

Put me down for 3 sets....

In all seriousness though. Talon of the Emperor and Saint Celestine both debuted sister type models so it isn't out of the range of possibilities. But I tend to agree I think they will do something like they did for Overkill and do a boardgamish intro. Worked great for GSC.

Orks are a great starting point for an army. Even in the build and collect series geared toward a younger crowd they are going with marines and orks granted the old designs from black reach but still. With what they did with the new dark imperium i could see them doing like they did last year with the limited edition boxes. Space wolves vs orks, Blood Angels vs nids... only one i didn't get was harliquins vs whoever they had. But those were repacks basically of models with new hero models included so not sure how well that would work for Sisters who don't have plastic models yet.

Someone at GW is going to read all these posts of people wanting sisters of battle and orks and combine them into sister orks. Emperor praising female fungus fanatics in powered heals.

Plastic Sisters are a nice dream. I wouldn't rush to believe it though.

 Theophony wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Next boxed set: Sisters v Orks

Put me down for 3 sets....

In all seriousness though. Talon of the Emperor and Saint Celestine both debuted sister type models so it isn't out of the range of possibilities. But I tend to agree I think they will do something like they did for Overkill and do a boardgamish intro. Worked great for GSC.

Orks are a great starting point for an army. Even in the build and collect series geared toward a younger crowd they are going with marines and orks granted the old designs from black reach but still. With what they did with the new dark imperium i could see them doing like they did last year with the limited edition boxes. Space wolves vs orks, Blood Angels vs nids... only one i didn't get was harliquins vs whoever they had. But those were repacks basically of models with new hero models included so not sure how well that would work for Sisters who don't have plastic models yet.

Someone at GW is going to read all these posts of people wanting sisters of battle and orks and combine them into sister orks. Emperor praising female fungus fanatics in powered heals.

.........Nurgle be praised?

GW are not going to produce a new 40k starter box when we are not even a year into 8th. If the Dark imperium box is being discontinued it will be so they can replace the full sized rule book with something smaller. Or maybe with the First strike and Know no fear boxes GW don't feel that Dark Imperium is a must stock anymore.
New SoB are possible. But any big box release would most likely be a vs set like Death masque or Blight war.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
GW are not going to produce a new 40k starter box when we are not even a year into 8th. If the Dark imperium box is being discontinued it will be so they can replace the full sized rule book with something smaller. Or maybe with the First strike and Know no fear boxes GW don't feel that Dark Imperium is a must stock anymore.
New SoB are possible. But any big box release would most likely be a vs set like Death masque or Blight war.

GW releases what 3? good starter sets with miniatures and rules for 7th ed. How long that edition was alive?

So apparently GW work to the calendar year as opposed to financial and in halves not quarters even though their release schedule breaks down quite well into quarters.

Their releases have followed the same pattern over the last couple of years so its probably fair to assume a big release will come around june/july to kick start the next year half. Just like the custodes release will hopefully kickstart this one (I also think there will be another Primarch before now and the end of this half).
Second half, a new boxset would make sense especially if it were to introduce a new sisters range (unconfirmed) and a new Slaanesh range (confirmed to be later half of 2018 by one of the design team) alongside a Fulgrim model.
Rinse and repeat in 2019 for Khorne.

Whether they do it or not, replacing DI would make sense in order to reduce production and push people towards the multipart kits, especially if they feel the DI models have covered their dev/production costs which i find it hard to believe they wont have.
Those who dont think plastic sister will happen- If GW don't capitalise on an all female major faction then they're plain leaving cash on the table...... and they're not gonna do that.

The one thing id say for sisters and Slanesh....be careful what you wish for- both will be getting the millennial treatment.

While I _Hate_ to talk about anything like this...

With all the feminism talk, and making the hobby more inclusive, and GW trying to attract more female customers...

From that perspective, I think a Sister's Starter Box set would make 110% sense...

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I don't see what makes Sisters so "special" that they couldn't be in a starter set.

Easy to build, easy to paint, main faction, 'those are cool, I want to play them' effect. And Space Marines as mandatory Imperial faction.

 Sidstyler wrote:
But any army can be a "starter" army, though, really. That's the point of the "Start Collecting" boxes, isn't it?

Starting new armies is one thing. Starting the game another. Do I want a box with Sisters, GSC, Xenos mercenaries, IG veterans, Gue'vesa and Skitarii? Hell, yes. But would it sell enough to justify the risk? Would it attract enough new players? I don't think so.

I always giggle when I read stuff like this - I only spend inadvisable amounts of money on 40K and have for years because Little Me walked into the local GW to buy some Empire Halberdiers with my pocket money and instead walked out with the new Sisters of Battle codex with that stunning JB piece as the cover art.

People - GW included - vastly over estimate the power of Marines to entice new players relative to other factions. There's a certain threshold of "cool" you have to meet in order to get a potential new recruit to buy-in emotionally, and Marines absolutely do exceed that threshold, but I'm fairly sure so do future-goth bondage battle nuns, and cyborg men with giant robots, and a lot of other 40K things. Like a lot of scenarios when it comes to GW, "Marines mean the starter sells well" is a self-fulfilling prophecy; the starters always include Marines, and the starters always sell well, so they always put Marines in the starter and on & on.

Now, maybe it would turn out that literally no other faction in 40K is capable of shifting starter sets, but there's no way to actually know that until they release one that doesn't include Marines. I don't think they actually will, but unless & until it happens there's no basis for drawing conclusions on how well it would do.

Nobody is saying that Sisters do not appeal to people. As evidenced in this thread, there is plenty of people who really like the SoB. But Space Marines do undeniably have a broader appeal, they are closer to the classical stereotype of a fictional hero, a stereotype that is as popular as it is for very good reasons.

So we could expect to see a starter set with SoB then I imagine the full release would be a little later just like GSC were with Overkill. As long as it means we'll get a proper release later on I am completely happy with a starter set first, especially since the starters have some unique sculpts.

What would yas like to see? I would love to see a Ministorum Priest slotted in there, some regular sisters, seraphims and repentia would be my wishlist. Imagine a new Penitent Engine for the set....

This comes up every year at this time, with nothing to follow.

I think not much (if anything) has changed regarding SoB. They won't be updated in the foreseeable future

October 15, 2014

The Model Team

I spoke with Ali Morision about the future of Finecast/Metal traditional sculpting. He was very clear he could see no possibility of metal returning, although there might be a few more Finecast releases. I talked to him about the human art like quality of the old methods. His reply was that was what Forgeworld had taken on and that the Games Workshop Studio is now very much about plastic. I asked him how it was possible for them to make any money on the Limited Edition Plastic models. He said they made plenty of money off them, by the fist day of the release.
I also spoke to him about the possibility of new sisters of battle models. He said it wasn’t likely as there were not enough players collecting them. I pointed out this used to be true of Dark Eldar until they redid the range.

http://chaptermasters.com/warhammer-fest-epic-news-from-the-studio/


Buy the original SoB from GW while they are available, 3rd party models and/or support the occassional KS for new stuff.

Warhams-77 wrote:
This comes up every year at this time, with nothing to follow.

I think not much (if anything) has changed regarding SoB. They won't be updated in the foreseeable future

October 15, 2014

The Model Team

I spoke with Ali Morision about the future of Finecast/Metal traditional sculpting. He was very clear he could see no possibility of metal returning, although there might be a few more Finecast releases. I talked to him about the human art like quality of the old methods. His reply was that was what Forgeworld had taken on and that the Games Workshop Studio is now very much about plastic. I asked him how it was possible for them to make any money on the Limited Edition Plastic models. He said they made plenty of money off them, by the fist day of the release.
I also spoke to him about the possibility of new sisters of battle models. He said it wasn’t likely as there were not enough players collecting them. I pointed out this used to be true of Dark Eldar until they redid the range.

http://chaptermasters.com/warhammer-fest-epic-news-from-the-studio/


Buy the original SoB from GW while they are available, 3rd party models and/or support the occassional KS for new stuff.

A quote from 2014? What do you think they would have said if asked how many primarchs will be returning?

The problem I see with 40K is that it needs less books, not more. What I mean with this is that it needs less Space Marine books yet GW keeps pumping them out all the time and with their current structure you "need" 4-5 books just to play 1 army if you want all the toys they have on offer.

SM needs: Index, FW Index, SM codex, Chapter Approved
CSM needs: Index, FW Index, CSM codex, Death Guard codex (has better nurglings), Chapter Approved and most likely Chaos Daemons as well.

So how many books would you need to be able to play Sisters? Will they do combined books or spread them out to force you to buy multiple books?
Will Sisters need: Sisters codex, Ministorum codex and ofc the 2018 chapter approved.

Will they combine it into Adeptus Ministorum? Which I'd personally see as an insult as I'd rather them call it the Sisters of Battle codex that also has some Ministorum units in it rather than the Ministorum codex with 3-5 units and then the whole Sisters range.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
What would yas like to see? I would love to see a Ministorum Priest slotted in there, some regular sisters, seraphims and repentia would be my wishlist. Imagine a new Penitent Engine for the set....

The TLDR is
Sisters need 4 boxes minimum and some blisters
Ministorum needs 4 boxes minimum and some blisters

On top of this I'd love to see plastic Repressors and Exorcists.
Are redone Immolator kit would also be good, to give it side sponson options. Basically a Sisters version of the Baal Predator.

On top of this you can add pretty much anything. Fliers, bikes, cavalry units, cyber beasts for Ministorum Witch Hunters etc etc etc

Several years back Phil Kelly said if he could make one thing happen it'd be an Eldar vs Sisters boxset. So I'll put £1.50 on that as my bet.

I'd be amazed if Sisters were in the 40k starter box set.

I'd expect them to be in a mini-game like Overkill. If that flies off the shelves then bring them out as discrete units 6-12 months later.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:
Much more importantly than begging, people actually bought Custodes in surprising quantities. GW cares very much about who's actually buying what, not so much about internet ranting.

Because they're brand-new modern plastics that have been well-designed, and also came bundled in a box with a lot of other new plastics that were sold for a bargain. Compared to GW expecting you to spend a whopping $80 on a single box of ten basic troop models that are literal decades out of date now, with no options, in a material that people don't like to work with, direct-only from GW so you get little to no discount on top of all that.

Not really a fair comparison. No one would buy Custodes either if they were sold in a similar fashion. In fact people would probably accuse GW of sabotaging the line and wanting it to fail if they tried.

GW isn't likely to release something in the fashion you describe, for the reasons you describe. The point isn't to compare the two lines now, but rather to talk about what's actually going to sell. Sisters, sadly, have been a peripheral army for a long time. The lack of plastics plays a part there, but if GW thought they were going to sell a mint of them they would have done plastics. They haven't though, which at the very least provides us with a healthy index of where GW thinks potential Sisters sales are at.

Did I miss any credible rumours in this thread or is there a reason there are 5 pages based on "my local GW guy said"?

 Mymearan wrote:
Did I miss any credible rumours in this thread or is there a reason there are 5 pages based on "my local GW guy said"?

Passes the time

 AlexHolker wrote:

Again, I believe the backlash of the announcement yesterday will have GW reconsidering their release priorities. If it doesn't, they are not listening to their own customer base and they will no doubt suffer accordingly. Yes they have codexes to release, this isn't about codexes though, it's about new models. I suspect if the next kit release is anything other than a Xenos faction, there will be an incredibly negative reaction from a large proportion of the community. Something that GW will want to avoid I reckon.

I don't think they give a crap about people being disappointed about an announcement. They will look at the sales figures when the models are released and make any changes based on that.

 Mymearan wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Again, I believe the backlash of the announcement yesterday will have GW reconsidering their release priorities. If it doesn't, they are not listening to their own customer base and they will no doubt suffer accordingly. Yes they have codexes to release, this isn't about codexes though, it's about new models. I suspect if the next kit release is anything other than a Xenos faction, there will be an incredibly negative reaction from a large proportion of the community. Something that GW will want to avoid I reckon.

I don't think they give a crap about people being disappointed about an announcement. They will look at the sales figures when the models are released and make any changes based on that.

The existence of the General's Handbook refutes your statement.

Warhams-77 wrote:
This comes up every year at this time, with nothing to follow.

I think not much (if anything) has changed regarding SoB. They won't be updated in the foreseeable future

October 15, 2014

The Model Team

I spoke with Ali Morision about the future of Finecast/Metal traditional sculpting. He was very clear he could see no possibility of metal returning, although there might be a few more Finecast releases. I talked to him about the human art like quality of the old methods. His reply was that was what Forgeworld had taken on and that the Games Workshop Studio is now very much about plastic. I asked him how it was possible for them to make any money on the Limited Edition Plastic models. He said they made plenty of money off them, by the fist day of the release.
I also spoke to him about the possibility of new sisters of battle models. He said it wasn’t likely as there were not enough players collecting them. I pointed out this used to be true of Dark Eldar until they redid the range.

http://chaptermasters.com/warhammer-fest-epic-news-from-the-studio/


Buy the original SoB from GW while they are available, 3rd party models and/or support the occassional KS for new stuff.

A lot has changed since 2014. Since then GW has embraced social media where they have said the number one question is about sisters. They have also had two test figures with the resin Cannoness and Celestine. Both of these sold extremely well.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a new range of sisters models is coming. It is just a matter of when.
It is interesting to note that Brian Nelson who designed Celestine has not had his name attached to any projects since then.
It would not surprise me if he was the lead on the sisters project.