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If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...

thats my thought too. anew boxed set, campaign book and Orks codex almost certainly indicates a MAJOR ork release.

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

Alternatively, being a later release alongside a campaign book could be an indicator that Orks are getting a significant model release. Unlike the Tau and Necrons who are most likely just getting a codex. Assuming its true...

thats my thought too. anew boxed set, campaign book and Orks codex almost certainly indicates a MAJOR ork release.

Just saying...

 warboss wrote:
Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).

The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.

This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.

 Geifer wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).

The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.

This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_%28Warhammer_40,000%29#3rd_Edition

First 6 months of 8th edition codices saw 10 books released of which 4 were nonmarine. The first 6 months of 3rd had 4 books released of which only 1 was non-marine (the Dark Eldar which likely only came so soon because they were in the starter box). It's still a big improvement on that front (400% more nonmarine books in the first 6 months). Things are noticeably better this time around. Even if Tau (I'm currently one) and Ork (used to be my favorite army hence my username here in 3rd edition) have to wait almost a year, it's still better than the approximately 2 1/2 years Nid and Necron players who only had their get you by rules (in the rulebook and iirc white dwarf for the latter) for so long. People need to be patient.

I didn't disagree with you, except on the 2-3 a year bit.

Codex-wise 8th ed is evidently better than any previous edition, provided you believe the codices do any good in the first place. In GW terms, I'm not sure anybody "needs to be patient" as GW is hardly taking their time this time around.

Also, on a purely personal note, I wasn't particularly bothered that my 4 Necron units (of the five total that existed) didn't immediately get a codex in 3rd ed.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the reason why we got so many marine codices (Vanilla, BA, DA) is that about 85% of the content is same. They want to get stuff published fast, so it makes sense to do DA and BA quickly after the vanilla marines as it really is not that much work.

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle? I am curious what would you like?

I am guessing Tau and Necrons will be like Tyranids and not get new minis. Orks on the other hand being last could be getting a huge release like Nurgle. So you rather be like Tyranids and just get a new book or like Nurgle and get a big release?

So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

 Kanluwen wrote:
So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

That's literally 5 days shy of February and if Custodes kits are released over 2 weeks or so...that's into the first half of February.

As a 'rough' timescale it's actually not that far off.

 Geifer wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).

The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.

This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.

Took 2.5 years for tyranids appear. And after first year had less codexes out than 8th has now plus had less to cover.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

So Codex, data cards, Terminators and Trajann pre order next week and probably the jet bikes and 2nd infantry squad the week after. That leaves the burning question, no dice?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

That's literally 5 days shy of February and if Custodes kits are released over 2 weeks or so...that's into the first half of February.

As a 'rough' timescale it's actually not that far off.

That wasn't a "rough timescale" though. The claim was that this was directly from a retailer's distributor/sales rep.

Literally NO dates are given(which a sales rep would give)
The book, HQ, datacards, and the Allarus are all next week.

That leaves the jetbikes and whatever else for week two.

It's a January release going into February, not a February release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

That's literally 5 days shy of February and if Custodes kits are released over 2 weeks or so...that's into the first half of February.

As a 'rough' timescale it's actually not that far off.

That wasn't a "rough timescale" though. The claim was that this was directly from a retailer's distributor/sales rep.

Literally NO dates are given(which a sales rep would give)
The book, HQ, datacards, and the Allarus are all next week.

That leaves the jetbikes and whatever else for week two.

It's a January release going into February, not a February release.

I think that this list only comes from someone that take all the rumors of internet in one picture.

Who said the custodes will come, said that they would be in January/February

 warboss wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Wow... I'm guessing most of the folks complaining weren't around back in 3rd edition (the last time there was a rules reset for the whole game) when you have to wait up to several years to get a codex since they only did 2-3 a year and the get you by rules make the index books look chock full of options. Keep your pants on and your tin foil hats off, folks. New books are coming out monthly (sometimes twice monthly).

The initial 3rd ed codices were released much quicker than that when they were slim and without notable background. Aside from that, GW is still dropping 8th ed codices at an unprecedented speed.

This issue isn't whether Tau, Necrons or Orks deserve to be next in line, it's the unholy number of Marine codices GW wants to release first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_%28Warhammer_40,000%29#3rd_Edition

First 6 months of 8th edition codices saw 10 books released of which 4 were nonmarine. The first 6 months of 3rd had 4 books released of which only 1 was non-marine (the Dark Eldar which likely only came so soon because they were in the starter box). It's still a big improvement on that front (400% more nonmarine books in the first 6 months). Things are noticeably better this time around. Even if Tau (I'm currently one) and Ork (used to be my favorite army hence my username here in 3rd edition) have to wait almost a year, it's still better than the approximately 2 1/2 years Nid and Necron players who only had their get you by rules (in the rulebook and iirc white dwarf for the latter) for so long. People need to be patient.

Or to view the stats slightly differently, the non-marine releases are up a scant 15% on 3rd edition (60:40 over 75:25), so not vastly different

Still holding out for Orks vs Sisters for a boxed set.

Still waiting to hear about the next Primarch too...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Still holding out for Orks vs Sisters for a boxed set.

Still waiting to hear about the next Primarch too...

That would be a pretty good boxed set. Though we the only boxed set with new kits in it(besides characters) in recent memory was Death Masque with the included Deathwatch Veterans. With no plastic kits, Sisters would need a lot of new stuff.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So can we go ahead and lock this since Custodes are preordering on the 20th and releasing on the 27th of January?

So Codex, data cards, Terminators and Trajann pre order next week and probably the jet bikes and 2nd infantry squad the week after. That leaves the burning question, no dice?

the infantry squad is already avaliable, unless there is a reported third infantry squad I'm unaware of? wait yeah looking at the pics there is...

My guess is jet bikes for the 2nd week as well as some other bits of blobs. Maybe some terrain, Maybe the elder trimvirate split up?

it could also be they've got some suprises like custodes upgrade kits for vehicles etc.

My GUESS based on what we know thus far though the codex will consist of the following.


HQs:
Trajan Valorius
Sheild Captain
Shield Captain in Allarus terminator armor
vEXILLUS pREATOR

Troops:
Custodes Guard

Elites:
Allarus custodes.
Contemptor Dreadnoughts
Those other infantry we saw.
Custodes Velixxa

Fast Attack:
Jet Bikes

Heavy Support:
Land Raiders (possiably with differant LR varients)


Fool's hope but maybe items:

Predator and vindicator tanks
Storm Raven (which IMHO would work quite nicely with the army)





the fast attack slot seems a little empty, but depending on how those jet bikes are rigged it could be fine. (we could be looking at a duel kit for two differant unit types after all) heavy support will depend on how many land raiders custodes get.

over all the codex IMHO is shaping up to be a little Grey Knightesque in that GW'll really try to push to see how much they can get out of a handfull of kits and some marine vehicles.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Still holding out for Orks vs Sisters for a boxed set.

My only hope for Sisters is, that once they get their plastics (*fingers crossed so hard they're bleeding*) that the race they end up sharing a box set with is Necrons (so we can see some Sanctuary 101 in game acknowledgment/ representation).

Other than the Thousand Sons getting Tzaangor Skyfires in addition to Shamans and Enlightened (and the Mutalith), has anyone heard any other Sons rumors?

that's it ... the better question you should be asking is if shamans are hq or not? ... if they are then full on aos bs to 40k

Already 8th has more codices than 4th or 5th ever, so I feel fairly confident they're gna keep up the pace and have pretty much every codex out by the summer. Even if that means limited model releases.

IMHO market saturation on models is far more of an issue than on books so they can't release that many new kits.


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Davor wrote:

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?

No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.

 doctortom wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?

No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.

Squats are the ultimate posterchild for getting the ass end of everything GW has done since 2nd edition. Sisters are a close second tho.

 Earth127 wrote:
Already 8th has more codices than 4th or 5th ever, so I feel fairly confident they're gna keep up the pace and have pretty much every codex out by the summer. Even if that means limited model releases.

IMHO market saturation on models is far more of an issue than on books so they can't release that many new kits.


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I think GW aknowledges the model saturation too, which is why we've mostly been getting NEW things. hence why most of the 8th edition models thus far have been new factions. even Primaris Marines could quality for that to a degree

 doctortom wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Teigue wrote:
If this is true then Orks, one of the initial armies in 40K get shafted out of a codex after not only the Tau but also the Necron. Two johnny come latelys get love before one of the founders. And I desperately want to see what they come up with for the clan rules.

How do Orks get shafted? Not sure what you mean by that. If anyone is getting shafted wouldn't that be the Sisters of Battle?

No, it would be the Squats. Unless they get an update, Sisters will never get better than 2nd place in the "shafted" depeartment.

Disagree. Squats have been dead & buried, officially, for 6 editions and over 20 years. They've become a literal joke, like Fishmen were for WHF. There was never any serious expectation they'd get an update, certainly not as "themselves"(there was that brief moment when people thought we might get a new "space dwarf archetype" race with the Demiurg, but that went nowhere). Newcromunda is the first mention they've had to suggest they weren't all eaten by Tyranids, and that's only there because the head SG guy is a big fan of Rogue Trader and is evidently intent on inflicting that on the rest of us.

Sisters, meanwhile, have supposedly been an active, supported, "they'll get updated eventually honest guv" army for almost all of that time yet have been consistently screwed over. People have had their hopes for a proper update for them raised and dashed so many times that the joke there has become their cynicism over Sisters rumours.

It's a gakky trophy, but Sisters win it by a country mile.

I'm curious how many 40k codex's there will eventually be. I say 30!

 Hollow wrote:
I'm curious how many 40k codex's there will eventually be. I say 30!

Sounds about right. Depends on how they split up some of the little factions/auxiliaries.

Adeptus Astartes
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
*Deathwatch
Grey Knights
Space Wolves

Chaos Astartes
Death Guard
*Emperor's Children
Thousand Sons
*World Eaters
Chaos Daemons

Craftworlds
Drukhari
*Exodites
Harlequins
*Ynnari

Necrons
Orks
Tau Empire
*Kroot Mercenaries

Tyrannids
Genestealer Cult

Adeptus Custodes
Adeptus Mechanicus
*Adeptus Sororitas
Astra Militarum
*Inquisition
*Imperial Agents
Imperial Knights