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So perhaps I missed it, but are we getting a plastic Farsight? Or maybe a multi build Commander?

I gotta say that at first I thought the Command and Control Node was really weak. Giving up BS 2+ for reroll wounds did not seem good. But I do see it is a battlesuit UNIT now, so that might work if you can pack in a bunch of Crisis Suits or Broadsides. It could be interesting.

I really want to see the XV-85 Enforcer and I am super happy that Iridium suits are not unique now. I love me some more types of battlesuits. I wish the FW XV-8X suits were in here with special stuff too.

I really hope that a battlesuit heavy army still works. I am seriously thinking running multiple septs at this point. Tau Firewarriors battalion and Borken Big suits for heavy guns and range. Maybe and Vioth (SP?) detachment with all stealth units? I think there are at least all kinds of new options.

Thanks,
Duncan

Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

Doesn't change the fact that it makes him a fish vampire but i would of preferred it stay a mystery

Tsilber wrote:
So perhaps I missed it, but are we getting a plastic Farsight? Or maybe a multi build Commander?

This is a codex only release.

One of the rumors said that Coldstars will be able to take any weapon except ion. If it's true, I see a lot of fusion blade coldstars in the future.

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

You did miss the important part of "... a life-draining xenos sword older than the Imperium itself...." Since it's older than the Imperium, it's way older than the T'au.

Guys, use Farsight himself for the CC node stratagem. You lose out on up to two shots (the horror...) and get to buff a Riptide's damage output. Plus Farsight actually looks okay now with the buffs to the Dawn Blade. Not sure how Farsight's point cost is, so maybe he's too expensive, but...eh.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

I disagree. Common usage would have the word 'Xenos' in the phrase 'Xenos Blade' relate to manufacture, not use - similarly to phrases like Damascus Steel. Plus it's older than the Imperium and Tau, well, aren't. That doesn't mean Necron of course, but it could be Necron. Or Demiurge. Yeah, lets go with it being a Squat relic, it even works with the not liking Orks thing.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Except that doesn't make sense, because its older than the Imperium, so it can't be Tau as they are much younger civilization, and English grammar doesn't work like that.
If I say this car is German, that doesn't mean a German is driving it, it means that it was made in Germany.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Guys, use Farsight himself for the CC node stratagem. You lose out on up to two shots (the horror...) and get to buff a Riptide's damage output. Plus Farsight actually looks okay now with the buffs to the Dawn Blade. Not sure how Farsight's point cost is, so maybe he's too expensive, but...eh.

Actually, that leads to an interesting idea. Nothing in the stratagem says anything about not being able to charge in the Charge Phase or attack in the Fight Phase. Use a commander with Fusion Blades to use this, then charge and attack with the blades. They still get 2 Fusion attacks. Or just charge something like a tank to keep it from causing trouble for a turn.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Except that doesn't make sense, because its older than the Imperium, so it can't be Tau as they are much younger civilization, and English grammar doesn't work like that.
If I say this car is German, that doesn't mean a German is driving it, it means that it was made in Germany.

Yeah, it's probably made by some Xenos that's either longdead, long forgotten, or otherwise.. There's alot of powerful, scary xenos weapons that really defy reality at times.

True, but the blade looks too much and behaves too much like a necrontyr weapon to be a coincidence.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Except that doesn't make sense, because its older than the Imperium, so it can't be Tau as they are much younger civilization, and English grammar doesn't work like that.
If I say this car is German, that doesn't mean a German is driving it, it means that it was made in Germany.

Yeah, it's probably made by some Xenos that's either longdead, long forgotten, or otherwise.. There's alot of powerful, scary xenos weapons that really defy reality at times.

No there's not! That's not allowed!

It is a rule of modern fandoms that nothing is allowed to be powerful, impactful, mysterious or important unless the most dedicated elements of the fanbase can easily identify it as a Thing They Recognize.

If it's not a chaos sword, then it HAS to be a sword of either Necron, Ctan, Old one, or Eldar manufacture. Any other alternative, including keeping it ambiguous, would be unfairly denying dedicated fans the opportunity to point their fingers and yell "I KNOW what that IS!!"

the_scotsman wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Except that doesn't make sense, because its older than the Imperium, so it can't be Tau as they are much younger civilization, and English grammar doesn't work like that.
If I say this car is German, that doesn't mean a German is driving it, it means that it was made in Germany.

Yeah, it's probably made by some Xenos that's either longdead, long forgotten, or otherwise.. There's alot of powerful, scary xenos weapons that really defy reality at times.

No there's not! That's not allowed!

It is a rule of modern fandoms that nothing is allowed to be powerful, impactful, mysterious or important unless the most dedicated elements of the fanbase can easily identify it as a Thing They Recognize.

If it's not a chaos sword, then it HAS to be a sword of either Necron, Ctan, Old one, or Eldar manufacture. Any other alternative, including keeping it ambiguous, would be unfairly denying dedicated fans the opportunity to point their fingers and yell "I KNOW what that IS!!"

As much as I would like a "minor" xenos race to make an appearance (those slaugth look like fun...), the sword does look pretty necron, and life stealing does sound like a necron thing.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

It's a Xenos Blade, simply because it's currently used by a Xenos, i.e. Farsight. I wouldn't use that snippet to interpret the weapon's or the character's (or by implication likely a lot of mysterious background of the Tau themselves) in-depth background.

Except that doesn't make sense, because its older than the Imperium, so it can't be Tau as they are much younger civilization, and English grammar doesn't work like that.
If I say this car is German, that doesn't mean a German is driving it, it means that it was made in Germany.

Yeah, it's probably made by some Xenos that's either longdead, long forgotten, or otherwise.. There's alot of powerful, scary xenos weapons that really defy reality at times.

No there's not! That's not allowed!

It is a rule of modern fandoms that nothing is allowed to be powerful, impactful, mysterious or important unless the most dedicated elements of the fanbase can easily identify it as a Thing They Recognize.

If it's not a chaos sword, then it HAS to be a sword of either Necron, Ctan, Old one, or Eldar manufacture. Any other alternative, including keeping it ambiguous, would be unfairly denying dedicated fans the opportunity to point their fingers and yell "I KNOW what that IS!!"

As much as I would like a "minor" xenos race to make an appearance (those slaugth look like fun...), the sword does look pretty necron, and life stealing does sound like a necron thing.

Oh no I'm sure at some point Trayzn the infinite will show up to cackle at Farsight and go "Bwa ha ha, I see you hold the Blade Of C'traxln! I and all other Necrons recognize it, that MYSTERIOUS GREEN SWORD that LOOKS LIKE THE ONES WE HAVE! Only the most dedicated editors of fan wiki pages would possibly know about that mysterious weapon!"

Because that's just how you do fantasy worldbuilding in the age of internet fan theories/wiki pages.

It'll be some special necron sword that got used in some novel, preferably as part of the horus heresy (AKA the thing everyone in the 40k universe now knows about and constantly references whenever possible) and someone will recognize it and get excited.

I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

the_scotsman wrote:

The needle for maximum melee on tau has changed. The new possibilities WILL be explored! shooting is wonderful but now Minsc leads! Melta bayonets for everyone!

Lies. Minsc wants nothing to do with Tau. Way to talkative and too much shooting.

Swords, not words!

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

According to Warhammer 40k, "xenos sword older than the Imperium" does not in any way prevent it from being a chaos weapon. It's still probably a chaos weapon.

Citation:

Kinebrach's anthame blades.
The Saurthi
The Laer

 Irbis wrote:


I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Because a single powerfist hit for the price of a Relic is absolute crap? Even worse if you give it a -1 to hit.

Do we know if its one model one relic for Tau same as everyone else?

Any word if Farsight can;t take Etherials in their detachments?

 Irbis wrote:
I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Being able to make only a single attack despite whatever your attack stat is does not constitute a drawback?

 Verviedi wrote:
Hooray, GW confirmed that the Dawn Blade was not a Chaos weapon (cites it as a “xenos sword older than the Imperium”). That makes the theory that it’s a Necron sword slightly closer to canon.

'Xenos' can absolutely mean 'Chaos'. Laer were xenos too, remember? There are literally thousands of xeno civilizations that worship Chaos, sooo...

the_scotsman wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Being able to make only a single attack despite whatever your attack stat is does not constitute a drawback?

A single attack is how it has always worked and its always been very useful in the right situation. Some people are going to read it as you can only use the weapon for 1A and can make all the other Attack dice with the basic weapon. Can you use two CC weapons?


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 Galas wrote:

 Irbis wrote:


I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Because a single powerfist hit for the price of a Relic is absolute crap? Even worse if you give it a -1 to hit.

Do not forget if its on the warlord it will be able to rerolls miss's.

Pottsey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Being able to make only a single attack despite whatever your attack stat is does not constitute a drawback?

A single attack is how it has always worked and its always been very useful in the right situation. Some people are going to read it as you can only use the weapon for 1A and can make all the other Attack dice with the basic weapon. Can you use two CC weapons?


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 Galas wrote:

 Irbis wrote:


I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Because a single powerfist hit for the price of a Relic is absolute crap? Even worse if you give it a -1 to hit.

Do not forget if its on the warlord it will be able to rerolls miss's.

Of course they're going to read it like that. Because that's how it works. The model is going to get their other however many attacks (I'm assuming because tau it's like...two more? At probably WS3+ S5?). That's the way the weapon is worded - it can be used for only one attack, but it does not say "instead of attacking normally."

Dandelion wrote:
One of the rumors said that Coldstars will be able to take any weapon except ion. If it's true, I see a lot of fusion blade coldstars in the future.

Absolutley, FSE Coldstar with fusion blades sounds pretty fun. Pop Kauyon first turn to open some gaps with your shooting, turn two scoot into position to use melta range + FSE devastating counter strike to deliver fairly precise fusion hits possibly followed by a charge if needed. Not insane but might catch the odd character or tank off guard especially if you can keep the Coldstar alive after his heroic charge

the_scotsman wrote:

Pottsey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Being able to make only a single attack despite whatever your attack stat is does not constitute a drawback?

A single attack is how it has always worked and its always been very useful in the right situation. Some people are going to read it as you can only use the weapon for 1A and can make all the other Attack dice with the basic weapon. Can you use two CC weapons?


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 Galas wrote:

 Irbis wrote:


I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Because a single powerfist hit for the price of a Relic is absolute crap? Even worse if you give it a -1 to hit.

Do not forget if its on the warlord it will be able to rerolls miss's.

Of course they're going to read it like that. Because that's how it works. The model is going to get their other however many attacks (I'm assuming because tau it's like...two more? At probably WS3+ S5?). That's the way the weapon is worded - it can be used for only one attack, but it does not say "instead of attacking normally."

In that case it has lost all its drawbacks. Unless there has been a change commanders have 4 attacks.

Pottsey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Pottsey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I like how the article says 'combine this with a Riptide Battlesuit for the best results!'. Hello, GW, you know Forge World 'balanced' crutch suits will be all this stratagem will be used on during games on competitive tables? Again, 1 mere pitiful CP to turn Ta'unar into Warlord-killer, seeing it has Battlesuit keyword too? Name just one more efficient stratagem than this in the whole game. I bet you can't. And people try to complain about this book

I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Being able to make only a single attack despite whatever your attack stat is does not constitute a drawback?

A single attack is how it has always worked and its always been very useful in the right situation. Some people are going to read it as you can only use the weapon for 1A and can make all the other Attack dice with the basic weapon. Can you use two CC weapons?


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 Galas wrote:

 Irbis wrote:


I also like how Onager morphed from power-fist equivalent into dreadnought-grade weapon, and lost all drawbacks it used to have. Not even standard -1 to hit, because reasons

Because a single powerfist hit for the price of a Relic is absolute crap? Even worse if you give it a -1 to hit.

Do not forget if its on the warlord it will be able to rerolls miss's.

Of course they're going to read it like that. Because that's how it works. The model is going to get their other however many attacks (I'm assuming because tau it's like...two more? At probably WS3+ S5?). That's the way the weapon is worded - it can be used for only one attack, but it does not say "instead of attacking normally."

In that case it has lost all its drawbacks. Unless there has been a change commanders have 4 attacks.

Being only usable for one attack IS a drawback, by default melee weapons affect all your attacks.

I'm sorry, but if you think this relic is anything higher than "cute" tier I don't know what to say to you. A catachan company commander with a powerfist does more damage to a standard tank than a commander with an onager gauntlet, and he costs what, five times less points?

Am I the only one that find the name of the Onager Gauntlet pretty hilarious? I guess a cute pun of a name for a 'cute' tiered relic.