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 MadCowCrazy wrote:


So 19 models phase through the wall and 1 is on the other side. Next turn the unit charges, would the model left behind slowly walk around the wall to join the fight?

Infantry can move through the walls of ruins, and most players play most terrain with walls as ruins.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:


So 19 models phase through the wall and 1 is on the other side. Next turn the unit charges, would the model left behind slowly walk around the wall to join the fight?

Infantry can move through the walls of ruins, and most players play most terrain with walls as ruins.

Yeah, terrain is counter intuitive in 8th edition. Vehicles and monsters can't smash through solid walls any more, where as infantry can move through solid walls. Even funnier when the Stonecrusher Carnifex fluff mentions how it smashes through walls and such.

Playing Nephrekh in Zone Mortalis games should be fun.

 stonehorse wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:


So 19 models phase through the wall and 1 is on the other side. Next turn the unit charges, would the model left behind slowly walk around the wall to join the fight?

Infantry can move through the walls of ruins, and most players play most terrain with walls as ruins.

Yeah, terrain is counter intuitive in 8th edition. Vehicles and monsters can't smash through solid walls any more, where as infantry can move through solid walls. Even funnier when the Stonecrusher Carnifex fluff mentions how it smashes through walls and such.

With that Phase rule for that Dynasty our vehicles can go through walls like Infantry now.

Don't most Necron vehicles fly? I guess the stalkers could go through walls then.

Dandelion wrote:

Thats my point? Lets not rehash all the ways the Black Legion trait is terrible because it was already accomplished in the past. It's an utter garbage ability.

Then I don't understand your point.
If you're in rapid fire range you have no reason to advance at all, which means this trait doesn't affect you. But if you're at max range you can advance without penalty.

It is circumstantial but you may wish to advance move to claim an objective or similar.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:


So 19 models phase through the wall and 1 is on the other side. Next turn the unit charges, would the model left behind slowly walk around the wall to join the fight?

Infantry can move through the walls of ruins, and most players play most terrain with walls as ruins.

We actually play it much differently.
Walls are walls unless theyre ruins, and are not traversable.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well I think I know which trait is gonna work best with the ever lovely Kutlalh. Everyone around him can advance and charge, AND will get Hatred? fething rad.

Well no, because he has the wrong dynastic keyword. His dynasty is the Maynarkh...

FW is gonna make it work like with the successor chapters and garbage like that. You choose the best fitting one as it currently has no specific rules.

So how does this loadout sound like for a Commander?

Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battle Suit
Farsight Enclaves
Exemplar of Mont'ka
2x Fusion Blasters - Fusion Blade Signature System
Shield Generator
Drone Controller(Not sure what type of drone)

This is my only Tau model. I just want to theorize his loadout.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Don't most Necron vehicles fly? I guess the stalkers could go through walls then.

This is actually pretty huge for them, as I often deploy mine tucked in ruins for the cover, but when I need to move them out it can be a pain since they can't go through the walls.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So how does this loadout sound like for a Commander?

Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battle Suit
Farsight Enclaves
Exemplar of Mont'ka
2x Fusion Blasters - Fusion Blade Signature System
Shield Generator
Drone Controller(Not sure what type of drone)

This is my only Tau model. I just want to theorize his loadout.

You should maybe ask in the Tau tactics thread which is pretty lively and relevant at the moment. Books been fully spoiled, not much reason discussing tau in here anymore.


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 Maelstrom808 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Don't most Necron vehicles fly? I guess the stalkers could go through walls then.

This is actually pretty huge for them, as I often deploy mine tucked in ruins for the cover, but when I need to move them out it can be a pain since they can't go through the walls.

Of course then you cannot shoot him meaning you are wasting his best trait. You only get the benefit if you advance remember.

Random thought, but if Necrons have Grenades, the Sautekh code will be nasty. Those grenades will now be assault, so the one model only restriction will be lifted. Brutal.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

Thats my point? Lets not rehash all the ways the Black Legion trait is terrible because it was already accomplished in the past. It's an utter garbage ability.

Then I don't understand your point.
If you're in rapid fire range you have no reason to advance at all, which means this trait doesn't affect you. But if you're at max range you can advance without penalty.

It is circumstantial but you may wish to advance move to claim an objective or similar.

But if you absolutely have to advance, then rapid fire would get 0 shots by default. This gives something.

Looks like the Necron half of my Forge bane box(s) will be getting painted up as part of the Mephrit Dynasty. After Ultras, Custodes, House Teryyn IK and Stormcast my main concern is a paint scheme that doesn't involve blue or gold. The rules are a bonus

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Looks like the Necron half of my Forge bane box(s) will be getting painted up as part of the Mephrit Dynasty. After Ultras, Custodes, House Teryyn IK and Stormcast my main concern is a paint scheme that doesn't involve blue or gold. The rules are a bonus

Mephrit was always one of my favorite dynasties, so it is what my side likely will be as well. Though a nice black and Violet scheme would be cool too.

 Red Corsair wrote:
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 Maelstrom808 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Don't most Necron vehicles fly? I guess the stalkers could go through walls then.

This is actually pretty huge for them, as I often deploy mine tucked in ruins for the cover, but when I need to move them out it can be a pain since they can't go through the walls.

Of course then you cannot shoot him meaning you are wasting his best trait. You only get the benefit if you advance remember.

If I need to move him, that usually means I had no target to begin with, or at that moment, moving him is more important than shooting in the first place.

These are obviously fake. They're all well thought out, sound fun and actually seem to have effort put into them.

 lolman1c wrote:
These are obviously fake. They're all well thought out, sound fun and actually seem to have effort put into them.

in fairness codex necrons was when they stopped phoning it in with 7th edition too

I don't believe it's fake. I believe it came from a playtester, Super Wargamer, but I'm not sure it was really authorized for release.

 axisofentropy wrote:
I don't believe it's fake. I believe it came from a playtester, Super Wargamer, but I'm not sure it was really authorized for release.

I suspect 99% of all leaks by playtesters are if not authorized at least "turned a blind eye to" within certain reasons. GW's a big company. breaking a NDA from them would proably get you slapped pretty hard by their legal team

I can't imagine it's fake simply because that picture of the Necron face on the pages is so quintessential Necron codex art design. Unless it's a copy paste from another codex, which I don't think it is, then I think that's a little seal of approval.

BrianDavion wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I don't believe it's fake. I believe it came from a playtester, Super Wargamer, but I'm not sure it was really authorized for release.

I suspect 99% of all leaks by playtesters are if not authorized at least "turned a blind eye to" within certain reasons. GW's a big company. breaking a NDA from them would proably get you slapped pretty hard by their legal team

Correct, but can you remember another leak like this? Letting a third-party publish an entire page of the codex before Warhammer Community publishes anything? There's always been an embargo until pre-orders are up.

If it is authorized, something else is going on. Some guess it's a response to the Tau codex salt , but I'm not sure that makes sense.

 axisofentropy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I don't believe it's fake. I believe it came from a playtester, Super Wargamer, but I'm not sure it was really authorized for release.

I suspect 99% of all leaks by playtesters are if not authorized at least "turned a blind eye to" within certain reasons. GW's a big company. breaking a NDA from them would proably get you slapped pretty hard by their legal team

Correct, but can you remember another leak like this? Letting a third-party publish an entire page of the codex before Warhammer Community publishes anything? There's always been an embargo until pre-orders are up.

If it is authorized, something else is going on. Some guess it's a response to the Tau codex salt , but I'm not sure that makes sense.

it's possiable this leak is also just that 1% some people are just morons. remember when the entire contents of the indexes and core rules where leaked? apparently that was some game shop owner in Russia whom was promptly banned from ever doing busniess with GW again

It has to be real. Only GW believes the black legion trait is worthy of being printed not once, but twice.

BrianDavion wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
These are obviously fake. They're all well thought out, sound fun and actually seem to have effort put into them.

in fairness codex necrons was when they stopped phoning it in with 7th edition too

On the other hand the Necron codex was where they through the baby out with the bathwater for 7th.

 Kirasu wrote:
It has to be real. Only GW believes the black legion trait is worthy of being printed not once, but twice.

The Necron version is noticeably better than the BL-trait though:
- Turns all ranged weapons into assault when advancing (even heavy) not just rapid fire.
- Only when advancing, so a unit can move and still rapid fire without loosing shots.
- Allows Heavy weapons to move and fire without suffering -1 to hit, and advance and fire with -1 to hit.

The trait is actually pretty good with these changes.
Black Legion pretty much got the unpolished version of the trait, and now it's been polished over several codices (Tau, Necrons)

Stupid question time for me. Is this going to be the thread for a new codices release? By that I mean when Tyranids or Space Marines or Astra Militarium got a new codex rumoured they had their own rumour thread. I don't see a Tau rumour thread so will that mean the Necrons and Dark Elder (keep forgetting what they are called, Drukahari or something like that?) will be in this thread from now on?

Reason I ask it seems when I click on "new unread post" it seems to skip pages and I seemed to have missed a lot. I had to go back 20 pages one time because it didn't link me to the next unread post.

Just want to make sure I need to be more careful in theis thread now.

 MinscS2 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
It has to be real. Only GW believes the black legion trait is worthy of being printed not once, but twice.

The Necron version is noticeably better than the BL-trait though:
- Turns all ranged weapons into assault when advancing (even heavy) not just rapid fire.
- Only when advancing, so a unit can move and still rapid fire without loosing shots.
- Allows Heavy weapons to move and fire without suffering -1 to hit, and advance and fire with -1 to hit.

The trait is actually pretty good with these changes.
Black Legion pretty much got the unpolished version of the trait, and now it's been polished over several codices (Tau, Necrons)

Death Guard got a better version of it too. My guess is that GW thinks having Abigail is to make up for the bad Legion trait.

Davor wrote:
Stupid question time for me. Is this going to be the thread for a new codices release? By that I mean when Tyranids or Space Marines or Astra Militarium got a new codex rumoured they had their own rumour thread. I don't see a Tau rumour thread so will that mean the Necrons and Dark Elder (keep forgetting what they are called, Drukahari or something like that?) will be in this thread from now on?

Reason I ask it seems when I click on "new unread post" it seems to skip pages and I seemed to have missed a lot. I had to go back 20 pages one time because it didn't link me to the next unread post.

Just want to make sure I need to be more careful in theis thread now.

Good point. I was thinking exactly the same too! There was one started about necrons. Which I thought was a great idea. Then Someone got a bit powder mad and shut it down. Epic fail IMO.

40k is so massive with threads spiralling out of control. Yet you can have threads advertising a new game Mat and nothing is said.

Very poor system.

Ragweek wrote:

Davor wrote:
Stupid question time for me. Is this going to be the thread for a new codices release? By that I mean when Tyranids or Space Marines or Astra Militarium got a new codex rumoured they had their own rumour thread. I don't see a Tau rumour thread so will that mean the Necrons and Dark Elder (keep forgetting what they are called, Drukahari or something like that?) will be in this thread from now on?

Reason I ask it seems when I click on "new unread post" it seems to skip pages and I seemed to have missed a lot. I had to go back 20 pages one time because it didn't link me to the next unread post.

Just want to make sure I need to be more careful in theis thread now.

Good point. I was thinking exactly the same too! There was one started about necrons. Which I thought was a great idea. Then Someone got a bit powder mad and shut it down. Epic fail IMO.

40k is so massive with threads spiralling out of control. Yet you can have threads advertising a new game Mat and nothing is said.

Very poor system.

Ehhh...the Necron thread was shut down because it wasn't really "a new thread strictly about Necrons" but rather just reposting stuff from here and asking "is this legit".

I'm sure a moderator could comment as to whether or not we should have this thread(which is based off leaks from quite awhile back on the order of codex releases) plus a thread specific to the books when they get officially announced.