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Well now, color me excited.

I have a two start collecting boxes of Dark Eldar I never got to... Might be a good time to start building these guys up Here's hoping that they release plastic grotesques and Incubi and mandrakes at some point so this range can be all in plastic. Seeing all the latest elven releases for other factions gives me so many conversion ideas. Sslyth for example can be made from these no problem:


While as someone mentioned, the sea elf swordsmen would make for amazing Mandrakes:


I always found it interesting how poorly represented DE are considering how fleshed out their range is. (30+ kits!) Hopefully we see more of them out with this new codex.

Well, you could always grab the many leftover bits from your Talos/Cronos and a Crypt Horros/Vargheists kit. That's how I built my grotesques.

 Cruxeh wrote:
Well, you could always grab the many leftover bits from your Talos/Cronos and a Crypt Horros/Vargheists kit. That's how I built my grotesques.

Yes, I'm planning to do just that once I find a suitable body. I know people use Varghaists, rat orges etc. I'm currently admiring this guy's work with some Hordes bodies as a base.

 Oaka wrote:
Can you reroll a '1' from the Vect stratagem by using the reroll stratagem?

No die may be rerolled more than once. But you could prevent your opponent from using the Command Reroll strategem when they roll a 1.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
Can you reroll a '1' from the Vect stratagem by using the reroll stratagem?

No die may be rerolled more than once. But you could prevent your opponent from using the Command Reroll strategem when they roll a 1.

That’s not what Oaka asked.
That said, I have to say yes; Agents of Vect is in itself a stratagem played to ‘interrupt’ another so playing a second to interrupt it seems fine. Also kinda crazy.

tabletop tactics has a battle report with the new drukhari codex up!

 Ghaz wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
They've succeded in making the horribly mediocre Crucible of Malediction even worse. It's gone from a short range, 50/50 chance to hurt Psykers once per game to a short range, 50/50 chance to hurt Psykers once per game for 2CP. What moron thought this was a good idea?

It went from a relic that would have never been taken to a stratagem which may occasionally be used.

It wasn't a relic in index xenos, it was free wargear each Haemonculus got and was still seen as being not good.

blaktoof wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
They've succeded in making the horribly mediocre Crucible of Malediction even worse. It's gone from a short range, 50/50 chance to hurt Psykers once per game to a short range, 50/50 chance to hurt Psykers once per game for 2CP. What moron thought this was a good idea?

It went from a relic that would have never been taken to a stratagem which may occasionally be used.

It wasn't a relic in index xenos, it was free wargear each Haemonculus got and was still seen as being not good.

Already answered.

NZ preorders are up. Was this book mentioned before???

decent video review of new dark eldar codex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9cjx1A2QI

reaver jetbikes went from 30 points to 19. you'll be seeing more of those. heat lances from 25 to 12.


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disintegrator cannons from 30 points to 15. RIP primaris marines.


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stratagem to consolidate into a transport

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
NZ preorders are up. Was this book mentioned before???

Spoiler:

Oh. My. God.
...and that reaction goes for both the product and the price!

Yes, $1 per page!

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
NZ preorders are up. Was this book mentioned before???

I love seeing Jess's sketch work, especially his Eldar stuff. If the UK price is not to crazy I could be tempted.

 axisofentropy wrote:
decent video review of new dark eldar codex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-9cjx1A2QI

reaver jetbikes went from 30 points to 19. you'll be seeing more of those. heat lances from 25 to 12.


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disintegrator cannons from 30 points to 15. RIP primaris marines.


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stratagem to consolidate into a transport

So much for wanting to use Aggressors, huh?

Whole codex is pretty much leaked at TDC.

Good amount of frustration as the HQ mobility issue wasn't fixed (for those that don't know, DE hqs have no mobility upgrades and because all DE infantdy has a minimum squad size of 5 and extra bonuses for getting to 10 the HQs basically don't fit in transports). besides that one big issue and a few units that are still frustratingly sad (hellions...you coulda been a contendah!) The codex is extremely good.

There are combos that make Coven units just vile in terms of durability (+1T, 4++ rerolling 1s and a FNP anyone?), Wyches are a great deal better at cleaning through chaff hordes, and kabalites are incredibly cheap for what they do.

Overall my impression is pretty positive. I'd have 100% taken 6 and 11 capacity transports over the point drops they were given though. In a heartbeat.

the_scotsman wrote:
Whole codex is pretty much leaked at TDC.

Good amount of frustration as the HQ mobility issue wasn't fixed (for those that don't know, DE hqs have no mobility upgrades and because all DE infantdy has a minimum squad size of 5 and extra bonuses for getting to 10 the HQs basically don't fit in transports). besides that one big issue and a few units that are still frustratingly sad (hellions...you coulda been a contendah!) The codex is extremely good.

There are combos that make Coven units just vile in terms of durability (+1T, 4++ rerolling 1s and a FNP anyone?), Wyches are a great deal better at cleaning through chaff hordes, and kabalites are incredibly cheap for what they do.

Overall my impression is pretty positive. I'd have 100% taken 6 and 11 capacity transports over the point drops they were given though. In a heartbeat.

Isnt the fix kinda baked into the game though with the understrength unit rule?

the_scotsman wrote:
Whole codex is pretty much leaked at TDC.

Good amount of frustration as the HQ mobility issue wasn't fixed (for those that don't know, DE hqs have no mobility upgrades and because all DE infantdy has a minimum squad size of 5 and extra bonuses for getting to 10 the HQs basically don't fit in transports). besides that one big issue and a few units that are still frustratingly sad (hellions...you coulda been a contendah!) The codex is extremely good.

There are combos that make Coven units just vile in terms of durability (+1T, 4++ rerolling 1s and a FNP anyone?), Wyches are a great deal better at cleaning through chaff hordes, and kabalites are incredibly cheap for what they do.

Overall my impression is pretty positive. I'd have 100% taken 6 and 11 capacity transports over the point drops they were given though. In a heartbeat.

Did anyone post actual changes to the Talos? I couldn't find that. I saw a substantial points drop, and maybe some fiddling with the attacks, but was there anything else?

what's TDC?

 davou wrote:
what's TDC?

The Dark City -- it's a forum for Dark Eldar players. There's most of the book over there, but I'm still hoping GW changed some weapons profiles that haven't been spoiled. If they thought the Blaster needed fixing but not the Liquifier, then they're off their rockers.

Cheers dude!

I have to say the HQ mobility thing is annoying. Would it have killed them to up the capacity of transports by one? I understand that they don't want to give them bikes or wings, but then there really needs to be an easy way to fit them in the transports.

 Crimson wrote:
I have to say the HQ mobility thing is annoying. Would it have killed them to up the capacity of transports by one? I understand that they don't want to give them bikes or wings, but then there really needs to be an easy way to fit them in the transports.

Well just use a Transport slot that isn't being used? Not every single unit is gonna be in a Transport like Mandrakes for example. That's when you load up those HQ people and their retinue in a Venom or Raider, right?

 Crimson wrote:
I have to say the HQ mobility thing is annoying. Would it have killed them to up the capacity of transports by one? I understand that they don't want to give them bikes or wings, but then there really needs to be an easy way to fit them in the transports.

I'm actually a bit pissed they didn't give access to bikes at least.

We haven't had bikes for characters since 3rd. Anyone expecting them to gain those things really shouldn't have given their hopes up. You don't see rhinos or drop pods magically gaining a seat, and nothing is stopping folks from running an extra transport or two for the characters. Plus, the ideal crew for an archon is incubi or a court, or both, they all can easily fit inside a raider without sacrificing gear. Not saying I can't relate with the peoples irritation, but it really should not be such a shocker to anyone that's been playing the army already.

All in all this is easily the best codex the Dark Eldar have ever had, I've been playing them as my favored faction since they were released in the starter back in 3rd 20 years ago. I am actually looking forward to fielding hellions, thats never been a thing lol.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well just use a Transport slot that isn't being used? Not every single unit is gonna be in a Transport like Mandrakes for example. That's when you load up those HQ people and their retinue in a Venom or Raider, right?

AFAIK, a minimum unit size of all units is five, so you can't put HQ with any unit in a Venom, unless you burn a detachment and a command point for an understrength unit. You can fit them in a Raider, but then then the unit that goes with them loses the extra weapons unlocked by being ten elf strong (many Dark Eldar units work like that.)

Archon + 4 court members of your choice + venom? That's the only way I can see fitting them in to a transport without having one on their own

 Red Corsair wrote:
We haven't had bikes for characters since 3rd.

I was at least hoping for Succubi to get Hellion or Bike options, if only because they fall under that purview.

 Mantle wrote:
Archon + 4 court members of your choice + venom? That's the only way I can see fitting them in to a transport without having one on their own

Which is kinda risky for such expensive models. I just want to have Succubus and a small squad of Wyches in one Venom.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well just use a Transport slot that isn't being used? Not every single unit is gonna be in a Transport like Mandrakes for example. That's when you load up those HQ people and their retinue in a Venom or Raider, right?

AFAIK, a minimum unit size of all units is five, so you can't put HQ with any unit in a Venom, unless you burn a detachment and a command point for an understrength unit. You can fit them in a Raider, but then then the unit that goes with them loses the extra weapons unlocked by being ten elf strong (many Dark Eldar units work like that.)

As do many other units in the game.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I have to say the HQ mobility thing is annoying. Would it have killed them to up the capacity of transports by one? I understand that they don't want to give them bikes or wings, but then there really needs to be an easy way to fit them in the transports.

Well just use a Transport slot that isn't being used? Not every single unit is gonna be in a Transport like Mandrakes for example. That's when you load up those HQ people and their retinue in a Venom or Raider, right?

Only problem is if theyre in their own transport, they have a 1/6 chance of getting insta-gibbed when your opponent inevitably decides to focus the one with the commander in it.

Luckily, a lhamean is currently something stupid like 10pts after chapter approved, so I usually will put one court member in each HQ venom, but it feels like such an awkward roundabout way of doing things when A) this is supposed to be THE mobility army and literally everyone else gets fast HQ options (fething Necrons, "the slow faction" has THREE HQ mobility options...) and B) it costs a ton of both points and money/painting to do up all the extra transports I have to have.

The alternative is the incredibly lore-friendly "HQs jogging alongside the transports". i've used the Crossfit Succubus with 10" move drugs more than once, lol.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Well just use a Transport slot that isn't being used? Not every single unit is gonna be in a Transport like Mandrakes for example. That's when you load up those HQ people and their retinue in a Venom or Raider, right?

AFAIK, a minimum unit size of all units is five, so you can't put HQ with any unit in a Venom, unless you burn a detachment and a command point for an understrength unit. You can fit them in a Raider, but then then the unit that goes with them loses the extra weapons unlocked by being ten elf strong (many Dark Eldar units work like that.)

As do many other units in the game.

which is why almost every transport in the game comes with an extra slot or two for sticking commanders in. You know, not many of them, but

Razorbacks wave serpents falcons repressors immolators trukks battlewagons chimeras land raiders stormwolves valkyries starweavers devilfish blackstars

so like, a couple. Give or take 85%.