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Big question of the day - when do the Mutalith buffs take effect? End of movement? Beginning of turn?

Another note, unlike regular Tzaangors and things like Bloodletters or Maulerfiends, the Enlightened have the Fly keyword. Those poor Hemlocks won't know what hit them. The 2D3 S12 D2 auto hits on Overwatch will hurt but a unit of 9 Spear Enlightened with Weaver of Fates/the other buffs should still have enough in them to break it in half. Other fliers are even more vulnerable!

Caederes wrote:
Another note, unlike regular Tzaangors and things like Bloodletters or Maulerfiends, the Enlightened have the Fly keyword. Those poor Hemlocks won't know what hit them.

"Let us rain death upon these twisted followers of the Great Deceiver...wait, are those bird-men on flying discs that are going to attack us with spears and arr" CRASH

The number of times I got an unsuspecting opponent lose a plane to a charging ahriman shows how good idea that is.

I think my biggest stumbling block on embracing and loving the melee version of the Enlightened, depending on cost, is stuff like Chariot heralds/screamers. very similar damage profile, movement, but less buff dependent in general. It'll depend on the unit cost for sure.

the_scotsman wrote:
I think my biggest stumbling block on embracing and loving the melee version of the Enlightened, depending on cost, is stuff like Chariot heralds/screamers. very similar damage profile, movement, but less buff dependent in general. It'll depend on the unit cost for sure.

Its 17 for Bow enlightened, and supposedly 16 for glaives.

Brian888 wrote:

demontalons wrote:
If you can get there yea they’ll shred but o don’t know how they survive the enemy even looking at them

Thousand Sons teleportation hijinks.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Brian888 wrote:


With a Shaman nearby, it activates on a 5+. If Prescience can be cast on these guys? 4+.

Only 3 wounds from 3.6 of these guys against T7 though. It would be hard to get them and all their support close enough. They'll absolutely shed anything in the way though.

6 * .5 * .5 * 2 = 3
6 * .333 * .333 * .5 * 2 = 0.66

Do we know how many attacks each Enlightened has?

They have 2 base attacks and 3 for the Twistbray (announced on the stream). Spears are looking quite good it looks like.

Tzeentch demonkin is looking strong. Take a battalion of demons and a battalion of TS and you can make some good combos.

Ahriman21 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I think my biggest stumbling block on embracing and loving the melee version of the Enlightened, depending on cost, is stuff like Chariot heralds/screamers. very similar damage profile, movement, but less buff dependent in general. It'll depend on the unit cost for sure.

Its 17 for Bow enlightened, and supposedly 16 for glaives.

Hmm. Well, at 16ppm, it's pretty safe to say that spear enlightened are just solidly better screamers of tzeentch. Better defenses (because you get 2 for every 1 screamer), better offense both buffed and unbuffed. Probable 4" less movement, no slashing attack, and I guess slightly less ability to hide because they're much taller, but still.

the_scotsman wrote:


Hmm. Well, at 16ppm, it's pretty safe to say that spear enlightened are just solidly better screamers of tzeentch. Better defenses (because you get 2 for every 1 screamer), better offense both buffed and unbuffed. Probable 4" less movement, no slashing attack, and I guess slightly less ability to hide because they're much taller, but still.

They're only D2 on the charge, which might end up being irrelevant sometimes, but it is important to note.

oh, that's very true. Screamers do have a very nice tendency to tie up a vehicle they can't kill since you only need 1 on each side of it.

Screamer buffs are also things you're highly likely to have sitting around anyway (vs tzaangor shaman, which you're probably buying just to be that +to hit buff. Screamers get buffed to S7 by heralds, they can get Boon/Flickering Flames as well as the same to-hit buffs from Daemon Princes and Mutaliths. Their biggest problem is there's no way to shift the stupid 4+ to hit they have base, besides the DP reroll 1s.

Rules could be the most OP gak of this edition, but that thing is still a Fantasy monster. It doesn't belong to 40k. Warhammer 40k equivalent to fantasy beasts and monsters are (for chaos at least), demon engines. That is not.

And i see that rules-wise, the Codex: Tzaangors is still in good health and full steam ahead...

You must be fun at parties.

Liking the rules so far, the new Tzaangors sound perfect.

Overall, this is looking to be a great codex, and may even be on the stronger side!

Going to have to get a bunch of Tzaangors ready though!

 EnTyme wrote:
You must be fun at parties.

I can't wait for 50 percent of TS discussion to be " hur hur codex tzaangor".

Daedalus81 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You must be fun at parties.

I can't wait for 50 percent of TS discussion to be " hur hur codex tzaangor".

And yet you are the only one saying that.

Right now the whining from a few known posters is contained in another thread, Let's keep it there please.

 Warpspy wrote:
Rules could be the most OP sh*t of this edition, but that thing is still a Fantasy monster. It doesn't belong to 40k. Warhammer 40k equivalent to fantasy beasts and monsters are (for chaos at least), demon engines. That is not. And i see that rules-wise, the Codex: Tzaangors is still in good health and full steam ahead...

Please keep all bitching in the General Discussions containment thread.

With the new stratagems, does anyone think they'll be deep striking some pure daemons? I imagine Horrors are still going to be coming out of the warp 9 inches away and dumping tons of attacks, followed by Sorcerers / Rubrics behind them. I don't see a reason NOT to do this other than you may get surrounded in the following turn. A Tzaangor herd charging up the field or being ported forward may fix that. You pretty much redeploy your entire army in the middle of the board.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You must be fun at parties.

I can't wait for 50 percent of TS discussion to be " hur hur codex tzaangor".

Then have I got some good news for you!

 BloodGrin wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You must be fun at parties.

I can't wait for 50 percent of TS discussion to be " hur hur codex tzaangor".

And yet you are the only one saying that.

I can assure you....he isnt....

on topic, while I understand Scarabs and Rubrics didn't get a points drop, I am hoping the special weapons did. They were never worth the points before, and it would be nice if it is worth it to take them now.

 Sasori wrote:
on topic, while I understand Scarabs and Rubrics didn't get a points drop, I am hoping the special weapons did. They were never worth the points before, and it would be nice if it is worth it to take them now.

Our special weapons are where the CSMs prices are, they did "drop" technically but in actuality its what most people have been using this entire time.


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 Warpspy wrote:
Rules could be the most OP sh*t of this edition, but that thing is still a Fantasy monster. It doesn't belong to 40k. Warhammer 40k equivalent to fantasy beasts and monsters are (for chaos at least), demon engines. That is not.

And i see that rules-wise, the Codex: Tzaangors is still in good health and full steam ahead...

I agree but this is not the place to discuss that. There is a thread in general go there.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
on topic, while I understand Scarabs and Rubrics didn't get a points drop, I am hoping the special weapons did. They were never worth the points before, and it would be nice if it is worth it to take them now.

Our special weapons are where the CSMs prices are, they did "drop" technically but in actuality its what most people have been using this entire time.


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 Warpspy wrote:
Rules could be the most OP sh*t of this edition, but that thing is still a Fantasy monster. It doesn't belong to 40k. Warhammer 40k equivalent to fantasy beasts and monsters are (for chaos at least), demon engines. That is not.

And i see that rules-wise, the Codex: Tzaangors is still in good health and full steam ahead...

I agree but this is not the place to discuss that. There is a thread in general go there.

Just curious, but where was it confirmed that the Special Weapons are the same price? I saw no price drop for Rubrics/Scarab but nothing mentioned for the weapons.

 Sasori wrote:

Just curious, but where was it confirmed that the Special Weapons are the same price? I saw no price drop for Rubrics/Scarab but nothing mentioned for the weapons.

Not confirmed, but a safe assumption.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Just curious, but where was it confirmed that the Special Weapons are the same price? I saw no price drop for Rubrics/Scarab but nothing mentioned for the weapons.

Not confirmed, but a safe assumption.

If that is the case, then it should be be treated as confirmed.

 Sasori wrote:


If that is the case, then it should be be treated as confirmed.

I think the only unknown is the hellfyre, but that's it.

Oh and the flamer variants.

 Warpspy wrote:
Rules could be the most OP sh*t of this edition, but that thing is still a Fantasy monster. It doesn't belong to 40k. Warhammer 40k equivalent to fantasy beasts and monsters are (for chaos at least), demon engines. That is not.

And i see that rules-wise, the Codex: Tzaangors is still in good health and full steam ahead...

Yeah, chaos doesn't exist in both fantasy and 40k because....oh....wait........

*shakes head*

*Public announcement!*

Chaos are not, I repeat NOT allowed to have monsters in 40k.


Seriously though, have you read any fluff? Its like a crazy big tzeentchian spawn monster. Id like to hear your explanation as to why it shouldn't exist in 40k


I like the fact that TSons have a lot more unit options now available to them, and combined with daemons it should allow for pretty varied forces and still gives you the choice of taking just rubric forces

so someone is saying it's official? Need 10 rubrics to get a soulreaper?


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There's a thousand sons codex review, image per image on youtube.

 nintura wrote:
so someone is saying it's official? Need 10 rubrics to get a soulreaper?


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There's a thousand sons codex review, image per image on youtube.

PM a link please.

As for now, what do you see as the best anti-tank solution for TS and Daemons? Personally I found the Exalted flamers to be the best, they shoot a lot and are untargettable because characters.