Daughters of Khaine (and Morathi)

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**EnTyme**

From the few Deepkin previews we've seen, it sounds like they, too, have a tendency to slaughter villages.

**Mr Morden**

pm713 wrote:
Order seems to be "not Chaos and you don't like Gorkamorka or Nagash." Team Sigmar is terrible lorewise to the point I had to make my own little world of anti everyone else in the Realm of Metal to avoid it.

I'd put Daughters under Death. They gain power through the blood and sacrifice of others right? They thrive on the death of others.

Death is just that - mostly the dead - either animatd corpses, ghouls, spirits or vampires - they often have wildy different lifestyles and Realm views - ie Flesh Eater Courts are pretty much Desruction and most of Nefertata's vampires are Order. But they are Dead and subject to the will of Nagash- so Death Alliance. Technically there should be a while load of living warriors and sub factions that are part of the Death Alliance as they serve Nagash.

Chaos are all about blood and sacrifice but they are Chaos worshipers so Chaos.

Morathi fights against Chaos (for vengeance) and Death (Nagash wants his souls back) whilst building a complex society (not Destruction) with her at the top and is not a subject ot Nagash. so Order.

Sigmar needs her and her warriors, she thinks they are weak but knows she could not stand alone against Choas and/or Death. Like Neferata, she always thinks she will come out on top and has many complex plans in play.

EnTyme wrote:
From the few Deepkin previews we've seen, it sounds like they, too, have a tendency to slaughter villages.

All factions do it to a greater or lesser degree - there are some Stormcast who think the Daughter of Khaine are great and look forward to figting alongside them. Others less so.

Hopefully the Deepkin will be interesting.

**NinthMusketeer**

I like how when GW makes faction motivations simple people complain about it being shallow, but the moment they add nuance people begin complaining it doesn't make sense.

**EnTyme**

Mr Morden wrote:
EnTyme wrote:
From the few Deepkin previews we've seen, it sounds like they, too, have a tendency to slaughter villages.
All factions do it to a greater or lesser degree - there are some Stormcast who think the Daughter of Khaine are great and look forward to figting alongside them. Others less so.

Hopefully the Deepkin will be interesting.

Oh, I'm aware. Even the Sylvaneth are often Unseelie Fae who would be just as likely to kill a wounded traveler for trespassing as they would be to heal him and invite him for the Feast of the Vernal Equinox. We likely get to have this discussion all over again next month after the IDK battletome describes them as hating surface dwellers (that's speculation on my part, but based off of the note from the "mayor", probably isn't far off).

**pm713**

Totalwar1402 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Order seems to be "not Chaos and you don't like Gorkamorka or Nagash." Team Sigmar is terrible lorewise to the point I had to make my own little world of anti everyone else in the Realm of Metal to avoid it.

I'd put Daughters under Death. They gain power through the blood and sacrifice of others right? They thrive on the death of others.

Deaths main deal isn't that they gain power through blood and sacrifice. Its that they are a faction composed of spirits and the undead in one form or another. Morathi is a lot of things, but shes not dead.

Whereas if the main trait of destruction is that they destroy and kill things. Well, this is the sum total of what the Daughters of Khaine do. If you ask, "is this a destructive faction?" the only real answer is yes. They don't fit the orcs and monsters aesthetic but then, its a bit like WoW having Blood Elves in the Horde. ATM Destruction and Death are really a single army splintered arbitrarily into several parts whereas Chaos and Order are genuine full factions allied together in a common cause. Would Morathi going "if I want to kill as many people as possible to become a God then wouldn't it make sense to manipulate a dullard like Gorkamorka and use his wars to fuel my ascension" be kinda in character. Instead of tip-toeing around her followers murdering villagers and various subterfuge that does not actually benefit her or Sigmar.

Yeah I think this is the key problem. These are "political factions" but Order clearly isn't a political faction. It works fine for Sylvaneth and Dwarves where you have a bit of friction but they're still on the same page. But when you have the like of the Morathi who basically despise Sigmar and have their own agendas completely separate from those of Sigmar its impossible to see why they're even part of the same faction.

No but being just dead people is incredibly limiting. Like I said to get power from blood and sacrifice they kill others. Their power comes from death hence a death faction. Destruction also makes sense in a way. Anything is better than Order really.