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I'm just gonna stop responding after this because honestly this is a new level of rudeness and hosility on what is otherwise a nice Forum.
I'll be perfectly honest with you, literally everything you've posted matches up exactly with the style of posts on Feminist 40k's facebook page.
But let's just say I'm wrong, and you happen to write exactly like the guy running that show. If it were just a simple case of mistaken identity, it wouldn't have you reeling this hard.
Just exactly the same way 'that admin' would react when people countered his arguments on other 40k pages. I implore people who doubt me to cross-reference the writing style.
But this is a nice forum. However, you strike me as a troublemaker.
I dislike people telling me I 'hate women' because I disagree with a mob of guys claiming to represent women. Or because I don't want female space marines. Or because I'm not big on 'feminist theory' being crammed into every aspect of life. Or because I generally want to be left alone and not lectured on how I'm oppressing people by existing.
I dislike this, and if my attitude runs people like you off?
Good. Your sort are the exact people my attitude is intended to run off. You won't game with me? PERFECT!
I'm just gonna stop responding after this because honestly this is a new level of rudeness and hosility on what is otherwise a nice Forum.
How long have you been here? Oh right, just today
Seriously, you cannot come into someone else's playground, tell them you're changing the rules because YOU think the current rules are unfair, and expect them to all be like "oh, yes, yes, yes, we were so unenlightened!"
That's actually bullying, regardless of if you have a point or not. That's why people receive your "enlightenment" as hostile, bullyish, and quite thuggish.
I sincerely apologize to anyone who has felt bullied by me I promise I'm not that scary. I don't see at all where I've been hostile and certainly choosing not to engage isn't thuggish. Not sure what "rules" I've tried to change.
pismakron wrote: 1) No, feminist 40k does not matter. And feminist theory does not have a scientific basis. It is a silly superstition.
2) Space marines are clad in armour with full coverage. There are literally no way of telling, if the person inside is a man, woman or fungus. In real life there are no difference between the shape of armour for men and for women. But then again, 40k is pretty far removed from real life. Orks has no gender for example, Necrons has no gender, tau has... I don't know what gender they are really.
3) There are no pushback against women in 40k. GW produces the models that the public wants to buy. And that's it.
4) How do you know, that girls are not inherently worse at math than boys? I am not saying that they are, but it is not something you can easily test, is it? Maybe our perceived gender differences would be smaller, if more girls studied useful subjects like math, and fewer studied pointless nonsense like feminist theory.
Regards
This again feels like a more ad hominem argument and a feminism is bad arguement than one against anything that was brought up but I will say that social theory is based on science and since the late 1800s sociology has fought for its place as a science. Point 3 ignores the consume-reproduce hypothesis. As for point 4 yes lots of studies have been done, and that also ignores the lack of female representation in STEM and how stereotypes that women can't go into STEM cause a lack of motivation to study it. I would address this in more depth but I'm not here to have a debate about psychology.
Point 2 I agree with, although I would argue Orks are coded more male personally but that's subjective, one supposes.
1) It is not an ad hominem argument. But it is indeed a "Feminist theory has no scientific basis" argument. As in, "Feminist theory makes claims that are not subject to falsification."
2) Yes point 3 ignores the consume-reproduce hypothesis and other untestable theories.
3) No studies has been done that clearly proves or disproves a biological cause for women's under-representation in STEM fields. How would you conduct such a study? I don't see how it can be done. Twin studies do not isolate gender, nor do adoption studies.
Crimson wrote: Science disagrees with you. The brain is what you are. Did you read the article?
Riiiiight. So there's no series of factors created by hormones, genes, etc.... right?
There are. And those factors have affected the development of the brains studied. Turns out the effect is insignificant.
Just flying by the seat of their pants, and suddenly became financially successful.
What a lucky guess those fellows made.
Using the prevailing societal attitudes in the marketing is often successful. It also reinforces these attitudes.
It always puzzles me how people who are so adamant that gender is essentialist and is not affected by the society also oppose making upbringing and marketing more gender neutral. If you're right, doing so should not matter...
You quote an article that commentated on the findings of a study, exaggerating them to support your point, and ignoring the grounded view of that paper and its subsequent commentators and corresponding research. The effect is not insignificant as you claim. No one factor has supremacy in this debate, as they all form a complex interaction.
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That males and females like different things is almost completely due the upbring and the society.
I think you have misinterpreted this paper as evidence of social and cultural influences solely contributing to a persons gender. This is simply untrue. It is not one factor but several that contribute to this identity. The paper, or article commentary on it, you have linked argues not for gender being a social construct, but rather there being no respective female/male brain. There are still big differences between the brains of men and women, just the scale of the overlap is much larger than thought. Thus it is incorrect to deny the impact, the role biology has not only in our physical development, but also in the determination of the rules and constructs that govern our society. To quote a subsequent study to the one the article you linked was commentating on: "Whereas a strict dichotomy between male/female brains does not exist, this does not diminish or negate the importance of considering statistical differences between the sexes".
That there are statistical differences is certainly true, but my point is, and it is supported by the article, that essentialist binary grouping is highly misleading. Even though some traits were statistically somewhat more common in one group, the individual variation is so large that whole grouping is pretty damn questionable. I mean you cannot take single brain and conclusively class it as either male or female.
I think the core of the issue here is the idea that "to deconstruct the concept of gender, things must be gender coded female which were gender coded male AND they must not be gender coded female in any way it could be conceivable that men enjoy."
Two examples: 1, Tau. Tau are now 50/50 gender split. Did anyone notice? Did anyone complain about the sjdubyas? Did anyone hail it as a feminist victory? No, because the only visible difference between a male and female Tau by what we can see through their combat armor is some very subtle facial features. Similarly, Skitarii. Half the models wear a codpiece, half the models wear a segmented skirt-piece. In my own head, primary sex characteristics are preserved by the techpriests in their cannon fodder because making a baby naturally is definitely cheaper than cloning, and leads to a more stable population. Hence, everyone gets reasonably radiation-proof undies according to their function.
None of these are considered a victory or an insidious plot because they're so subtle nobody will ever notice them on a 25mm figure.
2) Eschers. Hardcore anti-feminists hate them because "oh, they're realistically proportioned which means they're FAT, they have muscle tone, they're SJW Female Ghostbusters garbage and I hate them" and hardcore feminists hate them because "they're all wearing belly shirts and you can see their breasts and they've got big high heels and they're coded for the male gaze!"
Feminists present an impossible moving target whereby change must be explicit and obvious enough to notice but presented in such a way that there is no possible way to interpret sexualization. Anti feminists shriek about anything that involves women, no matter how established it is within the setting (see constant arguments about how SoB don't deserve plastics, eschers being shoved down your throat, plastic Cadians being unrealistic, etc).
After a certain point is just becomes noise.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
That males and females like different things is almost completely due the upbring and the society.
I think you have misinterpreted this paper as evidence of social and cultural influences solely contributing to a persons gender. This is simply untrue. It is not one factor but several that contribute to this identity. The paper, or article commentary on it, you have linked argues not for gender being a social construct, but rather there being no respective female/male brain. There are still big differences between the brains of men and women, just the scale of the overlap is much larger than thought. Thus it is incorrect to deny the impact, the role biology has not only in our physical development, but also in the determination of the rules and constructs that govern our society. To quote a subsequent study to the one the article you linked was commentating on: "Whereas a strict dichotomy between male/female brains does not exist, this does not diminish or negate the importance of considering statistical differences between the sexes".
That there are statistical differences is certainly true, but my point is, and it is supported by the article, that essentialist binary grouping is highly misleading. Even though some traits were statistically somewhat more common in one group, the individual variation is so large that whole grouping is pretty damn questionable. I mean you cannot take single brain and conclusively class it as either male or female.
^^Of course i agree entirely. I took issue with your assertion that gender is entirely a social construct. It is more complex than that, and research for the past 20 years has attempted to discover the exact weighting. The article i posted was an example of this.
Here's a crazy idea...somebody who produces an IP and product can produce it any way they wish? The beauty of the world is that no one is beholden to your "feelings". Honestly, how dare anyone demand anything from someone else's property.
Regardless of this debate on Gender, 40k lore and modelling are two different things lol. Humans in the setting are the main area of poor reperesentation for women. I feel that Guard should have had female models for years. and as others have said, Custodes were a missed opportunity. Space marines i feel would be the only misgiving i would have as they are a male only faction, much like sisters of battle. As mentioned the main problem is not the lore, but the models genders are reperesented with. When gw picks itself up and gives plastic sisters, guardsmen an update, then we may see a change.
I'm just gonna stop responding after this because honestly this is a new level of rudeness and hosility on what is otherwise a nice Forum.
How long have you been here? Oh right, just today
Seriously, you cannot come into someone else's playground, tell them you're changing the rules because YOU think the current rules are unfair, and expect them to all be like "oh, yes, yes, yes, we were so unenlightened!"
That's actually bullying, regardless of if you have a point or not. That's why people receive your "enlightenment" as hostile, bullyish, and quite thuggish.
I sincerely apologize to anyone who has felt bullied by me I promise I'm not that scary. I don't see at all where I've been hostile and certainly choosing not to engage isn't thuggish. Not sure what "rules" I've tried to change.
Also, browsing as a guest exists.
now run along back to your echo chamber safe space and share your tales of the vile bullys on the dakka's, (remember to mis-use toxic for maxing out your peesee cred) if you fancy some more attention GW prices, China-Recasts or defending The Last Jedi also all score very high on triggering the mob here.
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Skalathrax8 wrote: Regardless of this debate on Gender, 40k lore and modelling are two different things lol. Humans in the setting are the main area of poor reperesentation for women. I feel that Guard should have had female models for years. and as others have said, Custodes were a missed opportunity. Space marines i feel would be the only misgiving i would have as they are a male only faction, much like sisters of battle. As mentioned the main problem is not the lore, but the models genders are reperesented with. When gw picks itself up and gives plastic sisters, guardsmen an update, then we may see a change.
How do you know that helmeted Custodes are not all girls?
I like having a gender. I like the other gender, too.
Gender needs to be deconstructed because 1) It is a source of much debate, 2) Many people identify as other genders to their sex 3) If gender is an identity comprised from social and biological influences, this means that it is variable
Skalathrax8 wrote: Regardless of this debate on Gender, 40k lore and modelling are two different things lol. Humans in the setting are the main area of poor reperesentation for women. I feel that Guard should have had female models for years. and as others have said, Custodes were a missed opportunity. Space marines i feel would be the only misgiving i would have as they are a male only faction, much like sisters of battle. As mentioned the main problem is not the lore, but the models genders are reperesented with. When gw picks itself up and gives plastic sisters, guardsmen an update, then we may see a change.
How do you know that helmeted Custodes are not all girls?
Codpieces
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Skalathrax8 wrote: Gender needs to be constructed because 1) It is a source of much debate, 2) Many people identify as other genders to their sex 3) If gender is an identity comprised from social and biological influences, this means that it is variable
I would rather someone else's personal identity issues with gender have no impact on my gender identity.
I'd rather it not be 'deconstructed' and thrown out as an archaic concept.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
the_scotsman wrote: I think the core of the issue here is the idea that "to deconstruct the concept of gender, things must be gender coded female which were gender coded male AND they must not be gender coded female in any way it could be conceivable that men enjoy."
Two examples: 1, Tau. Tau are now 50/50 gender split. Did anyone notice? Did anyone complain about the sjdubyas? Did anyone hail it as a feminist victory? No, because the only visible difference between a male and female Tau by what we can see through their combat armor is some very subtle facial features. Similarly, Skitarii. Half the models wear a codpiece, half the models wear a segmented skirt-piece. In my own head, primary sex characteristics are preserved by the techpriests in their cannon fodder because making a baby naturally is definitely cheaper than cloning, and leads to a more stable population. Hence, everyone gets reasonably radiation-proof undies according to their function.
None of these are considered a victory or an insidious plot because they're so subtle nobody will ever notice them on a 25mm figure.
2) Eschers. Hardcore anti-feminists hate them because "oh, they're realistically proportioned which means they're FAT, they have muscle tone, they're SJW Female Ghostbusters garbage and I hate them" and hardcore feminists hate them because "they're all wearing belly shirts and you can see their breasts and they've got big high heels and they're coded for the male gaze!"
Feminists present an impossible moving target whereby change must be explicit and obvious enough to notice but presented in such a way that there is no possible way to interpret sexualization. Anti feminists shriek about anything that involves women, no matter how established it is within the setting (see constant arguments about how SoB don't deserve plastics, eschers being shoved down your throat, plastic Cadians being unrealistic, etc).
After a certain point is just becomes noise.
If I am reading this correctly I think this relates to what I said earlier in that it's hard to please everyone. Some feminists hate trans people. Some feminists believe gender is real, others don't. I think Linsey Ellis is the person I've seen put it best in that female characters are inherently political because the fact they are female makes everything about them under a microscope for critisism because there is no perfect female character in any form of literature. Oh she was too passive, oh she was too sexualised, because the fact she's female comes before who she is so people care more about what she's saying about females by existing. Same with gay characters suddenly they have to speak for the entire gay community. In my opinion the only way around this is diversity. Keep SoB, have non sexualised female characters, just make them more diverse. But of course it will always be up for analysis and that's both a good and a bad thing in my mind. Yes, we should be critical of media, but part of me wonders if analysising everything female defeats the idea that gender shouldn't matter. it's a fine line, and there are no answers. And it becomes easy to tune out.
To quote a wise Lorax from 1972, "I wouldn't know the answer".
Skalathrax8 wrote: Gender needs to be constructed because 1) It is a source of much debate, 2) Many people identify as other genders to their sex 3) If gender is an identity comprised from social and biological influences, this means that it is variable
I would rather someone else's personal identity issues with gender have no impact on my gender identity.
I'd rather it not be 'deconstructed' and thrown out as an archaic concept.
Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
Galas wrote: I think that the fact that the Emperor only wanted to surround himself of perfectly sculpted, intelligent and totally submisive males speaks volumes.
Hey, its the Emperor. He can do what and who he wants I mean, are you going to say "no" to the Holy God-Emperor of Mankind?
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Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
I'm just gonna stop responding after this because honestly this is a new level of rudeness and hosility on what is otherwise a nice Forum.
How long have you been here? Oh right, just today
Seriously, you cannot come into someone else's playground, tell them you're changing the rules because YOU think the current rules are unfair, and expect them to all be like "oh, yes, yes, yes, we were so unenlightened!"
That's actually bullying, regardless of if you have a point or not. That's why people receive your "enlightenment" as hostile, bullyish, and quite thuggish.
I sincerely apologize to anyone who has felt bullied by me I promise I'm not that scary. I don't see at all where I've been hostile and certainly choosing not to engage isn't thuggish. Not sure what "rules" I've tried to change.
Also, browsing as a guest exists.
now run along back to your echo chamber safe space and share your tales of the vile bullys on the dakka's, (remember to mis-use toxic for maxing out your peesee cred) if you fancy some more attention GW prices, China-Recasts or defending The Last Jedi also all score very high on triggering the mob here.
Esasb wrote: None should take modern feminists seriously.
They are the ones that destroy franchises (see the SJW revolution in Marvel that saw multiple comics tank). They hammer and hammer on "problems" in say comics/card games/ tabletop games but they aren't the ones investing time and money in said hobbies. They're just a very vocal (and obnoxious) minority and they are the ones bringing toxicity.
The gaming clubs i have been to (i haven't been playing to long) were always very friendly (both had 1 female player and the rest male).
And who cares if there's only a couple of factions with wich females can "identify"... i don't think anyone can "identify" with space bugs/demonic monsters with tentacles all over the place.
Do you mean Alias, spiderwoman, spider gwen, gwen-pool, Mrs Marvel (Khamala Khan), Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and all the other very successful pro feminist comics marvel produces where their female characters are no longer wearing insane onesies with individual boobs cups apparently sewn into their costumes?
Yeah THOSE comics tanked.
Not at all like the success of New 52 Catwoman where the first issue spent 3 pages showing ass and tit shots of catwoman in various states of undress before the final full page splash of her getting penetrated by Batman. THAT series was super successful and didn't tank at all.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
People, the mantra that SJW killed Marvel has been proved wrong many times, please stop using it.
Comic books sales haven't changed drastically in the past decade, some books sell more, others sell less. In general Marvel sales have been reduced in 2016 but have improved in 2015 and 2017. Is very easy to point some single issue as the responsible of a big problem but thats not normally how it works. Comic Books have been in decline the past 30 years.
Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
I'm a Garnet. Who you are to deny my feelings? You bigot.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Lance845 wrote: Do you mean Alias, spiderwoman, spider gwen, gwen-pool, Mrs Marvel (Khamala Khan), Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and all the other very successful pro feminist comics marvel produces where their female characters are no longer wearing insane onesies with individual boobs cups apparently sewn into their costumes?
Yeah THOSE comics tanked.
Not at all like the success of New 52 Catwoman where the first issue spent 3 pages showing ass and tit shots of catwoman in various states of undress before the final full page splash of her getting penetrated by Batman. THAT series was super successful and didn't tank at all.
Cool, now let's talk about all the failed titles that sank. The ones you named were actually pretty well written and not overtly feminist. The others were a dumpster fire and got canned, fortunately.
Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
Why do we need understanding about anything? I get the feeling a number of people on this thread are highly interested in these topics. If that wasnt a reason in itself, surely youd consider that disorders such as Gender dysphoria benefit from research into gender.
Galas wrote: People, the mantra that SJW killed Marvel has been proved wrong many times, please stop using it.
Comic books sales haven't changed drastically in the past decade, some books sell more, others sell less. In general Marvel sales have been reduced in 2016 but have improved in 2015 and 2017. Is very easy to point some single issue as the responsible of a big problem but thats not normally how it works. Comic Books have been in decline the past 30 years.
You're not going to reason people out of a position they weren't reasoned into. They think the latest star wars film was unsuccessful. However you feel about its quality, it's hard to argue success against a film that gets into the top ten highest grossing movies of all time...
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Esasb wrote: None should take modern feminists seriously.
They are the ones that destroy franchises (see the SJW revolution in Marvel that saw multiple comics tank). They hammer and hammer on "problems" in say comics/card games/ tabletop games but they aren't the ones investing time and money in said hobbies. They're just a very vocal (and obnoxious) minority and they are the ones bringing toxicity.
The gaming clubs i have been to (i haven't been playing to long) were always very friendly (both had 1 female player and the rest male).
And who cares if there's only a couple of factions with wich females can "identify"... i don't think anyone can "identify" with space bugs/demonic monsters with tentacles all over the place.
Do you mean Alias, spiderwoman, spider gwen, gwen-pool, Mrs Marvel (Khamala Khan), Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and all the other very successful pro feminist comics marvel produces where their female characters are no longer wearing insane onesies with individual boobs cups apparently sewn into their costumes?
Yeah THOSE comics tanked.
Not at all like the success of New 52 Catwoman where the first issue spent 3 pages showing ass and tit shots of catwoman in various states of undress before the final full page splash f her getting penetrated by Batman. THAT series was super successful and didn't tank at all.
Alias pre dates the SJW movement.
Spiderwoman does too
Spider-Gwen sucks according to my niece, but I havent read it.
Gwen-pool is awesome, again according to my niece, I will take her word for it.
Mrs Marvel is dull, didnt like it
Captain Marvel pre dates the SJW movement and is bloody good.
A lot of those had pre existing fan bases to be fair and the others I am going off what my Niece has told me (she is a much bigger comic fan than any of you I would bet), the best one (my opinion) are the ones that dont shove the feminism down my throat, the worst ones are the ones that make it super obvious.
All just my opinion of course, but I find it interesting that the Nieces favourite characters are Beast and Deadpool, the older one got ME into deadpool, the younger one loves Beast because of me I think, as he is also my favourite.
Galas wrote: People, the mantra that SJW killed Marvel has been proved wrong many times, please stop using it.
Comic books sales haven't changed drastically in the past decade, some books sell more, others sell less. In general Marvel sales have been reduced in 2016 but have improved in 2015 and 2017. Is very easy to point some single issue as the responsible of a big problem but thats not normally how it works. Comic Books have been in decline the past 30 years.
Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
I'm a Garnet. Who you are to deny my feelings? You bigot.
Lance845 wrote: Do you mean Alias, spiderwoman, spider gwen, gwen-pool, Mrs Marvel (Khamala Khan), Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and all the other very successful pro feminist comics marvel produces where their female characters are no longer wearing insane onesies with individual boobs cups apparently sewn into their costumes?
Yeah THOSE comics tanked.
Not at all like the success of New 52 Catwoman where the first issue spent 3 pages showing ass and tit shots of catwoman in various states of undress before the final full page splash of her getting penetrated by Batman. THAT series was super successful and didn't tank at all.
Cool, now let's talk about all the failed titles that sank. The ones you named were actually pretty well written and not overtly feminist. The others were a dumpster fire and got canned, fortunately.
And what about all the non feminist, male leading titles that sank? Thats the problem with the "SJW killed marvel" narrative. Is based around confirmation bias. I think you are a very reasonable person Adeptus Doritos, don't fail in that trap please.
Galas wrote: People, the mantra that SJW killed Marvel has been proved wrong many times, please stop using it.
Comic books sales haven't changed drastically in the past decade, some books sell more, others sell less. In general Marvel sales have been reduced in 2016 but have improved in 2015 and 2017. Is very easy to point some single issue as the responsible of a big problem but thats not normally how it works. Comic Books have been in decline the past 30 years.
Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
I'm a Garnet. Who you are to deny my feelings? You bigot.
What is a garnet????
This:
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: People, the mantra that SJW killed Marvel has been proved wrong many times, please stop using it.
Comic books sales haven't changed drastically in the past decade, some books sell more, others sell less. In general Marvel sales have been reduced in 2016 but have improved in 2015 and 2017. Is very easy to point some single issue as the responsible of a big problem but thats not normally how it works. Comic Books have been in decline the past 30 years.
Skalathrax8 wrote: Well unless you are insecure or uncertain about your own gender identity then it will in no way affect you! . I don't see your reasoning for how it possibly could. Progression and understanding are achieved through deconstruction of known concepts and construction of new ones. This case is no different with gender.
I'm not sure we need understanding beyond 'male' and 'female'.
But by all means, knock yourself out. The only progress I've seen out of this is Tumblr lunacy where gender is determined by your favorite cartoons and what kind of sex you like.
I'm a Garnet. Who you are to deny my feelings? You bigot.
What is a garnet????
I think its a Steven Universe reference. That show is popular on Tumblr, apparently. Idk why, not my subculture.
What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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