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 Verviedi wrote:

Congratulations, brave and noble dakka poster, through your intelligent and clever use of intellect and raw, unadulterated cunning you have successfully left me completely dumfounded and at an utter loss for words. Seriously though, I don't think you understand. This. Is. Officially. The Most. Intelligent. Thing. I. Have. Ever. Seen. Men could live for centuries, for millennia, gathering the knowledge and wisdom of their lands and many others, and still not reach the level of ability that is presented here. The magnificence of the thing, the sheer wonder that such a majestic creation can bestow upon us lowly and unworthy mortals, is far beyond the grasp of a mere man such as myself. I would thank you, but I believe to even involve myself with thee within society would be to ask too much, for I feel that one of such ability as yours is not fit for communication with mere men. Please, fine sir, do not attempt to contact me again. I feel that the magnificence of your presence would be too much for myself to bare.

Oh, please. Stop. You know as well as I do that this sort of drivel deserves nothing short of laughter. It's literally the only response I could muster. What, a rational argument? It'd go right over their heads and get ignored, and I'd just be labeled a 'bigot'.

Guys- 40k is all about mistreating minorities.

And women.

Stop enjoying things that are problematic, guys.

We. Need. Female. Marines.

 Lance845 wrote:
Let's clarify.

I am a dude. I am offended by this. I like the stories and depictions better. I support the products that make strides towards them more than the ones that don't. I buy trades of a few marvel ongoings, fables, everafter, the unwritten, hellboy and related titles and the like. I haven't purchased a dc trade since before new 52.

I want fair representation.

This isn't some dude telling women what they should be offended by. This is me being offended.

And what, pray tell, happens to you when you're offended?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Being near perfect anatomically and wearing an outfit with 50% of your body as exposed skin are 2 very different things. You have never once read a marvel or dc comic where a male Lanterns costume... which is a construct of their mind by the way, looked like this.

Oh no, it's almost as if there's a considerably larger male demographic buying comics (or rather, was at one time).

Man, you know what cracks me up?

The amount of dudes that are complaining for women. "They should be offended by this!"

Yeah, most of them aren't because they're adults that know the difference between a cartoon drawing and actually objectifying a real human being.

That's why people have so much difficulty taking feminists seriously these days. You're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, and you spend way too much time trying to crusade for people that never asked for your help. And then you write them off as 'stupid' or 'defeated' when they don't care about your first world grievances.

At least for me is not about women being offended about that.

Is that, personally, for me, it looks like gak. I want to read comics not erotic-fan fiction For porn I go to a porn webpage, not to a comic store. I can't take female characters seriously when they are wearing costumes like those. The same reason I hate romantic subplots. They are here just for pandering to the low common denominator most of the time.
But I don't make about it a personal crusade. Is just a minor grievance of many others I have about many other things in life. I just don't read comics like those, and I read the ones that I like.
EDIT: At the same time this wasn't directed at me, and I don't even consider myself a feminist, but as I have said similar things I wanted to clear my point of view in this.

 Lance845 wrote:
The difference is I can't see any of their dicks.

And real women in a leotard/spandex look like this.




You see how they don't have 2 giant bowls hanging off her chest?

THATS the difference. Those guys are ripped dudes in tight clothes in the way that ripped dudes in tight clothes look while not going out of their way to show off their organs.

The artists depicting those women went out of their way to be like... LOOK TITS!

How about these comparisons?




vs




Can YOU see the difference?

Yep, I see two vastly exagerated forms of the human body, but one is female, so its wrrrrooooooonnngggg ooooooooooo sexist, but no one gives a crap about the men, so its ok right?

 Lance845 wrote:

Purifying Tempest wrote:
50% skin coverage in many places today is pushing it. They're overclad. I propose that we draw LESS clothes on cartoon models to be more reflective of society.

I can work that argument, too.

No, you really can't. I mean, it's FINE that you want to ignore the difference in representation. Big part of that good ol freedom is your freedom to stay ignorant in the face of evidence. It just invalidates any possible contribution you might have to the adult conversation.

If you want to misrepresent a real social problem (perceived inadequacy between genders) by quoting fictional works specifically designed to be what they are to make money, then you're kind of turning your eyes away from reality, not me.

The artists drew those panels because 1) they enjoy it, and god forbid they enjoy their livelihood, and 2) because it put bread on their table.

You may be able to dredge up one who is intentionally trying to degrade women in his medium, but they're likely to be butchered corpses and excessive gore during a battle, not scantily clad and heroic figures. You're really conflating with visually enjoying the medium and what it represents with some lurking evil to totally disparage a gender through art and hobby.

Those are not political statements, those are the product of labor, labor done to two ends: bring satisfaction to someone's life, and to make ends meet. To inject some insidious plot to put women back in the kitchen is just... well, ignorant.

 Galas wrote:
At least for me is not about women being offended about that.

Is that, personally, for me, it looks like gak. I want to read comics not erotic-fan fiction For porn I go to a porn webpage, not to a comic store. I can't take female characters seriously when they are wearing costumes like those. The same reason I hate romantic subplots. They are here just for pandering to the low common demoninator most of the time.
But I don't make about it a personal crusade. Is just a minor grievance of many others I have about many other things in life. I just don't read comics like those, and I read the ones that I like.
EDIT: At the same time this wasn't directed at me, and I don't even consider myself a feminist, but as I have said similar things I wanted to clear my point of view in this.

A very reasonable argument and I understand completely. Wanting a better quality female design and character is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask.

You want quality. That's cool, you SHOULD. I haven't touched comics since 2009 because of quality (thought I did enjoy Red Hood & The Outlaws where Starfire was eye-candy AND an actual badass that could run a ship).

 Crimson wrote:

pismakron wrote:

How do you know that helmeted Custodes are not all girls?

Unfortunately it says they are all boys in the Codex.

Okay? And if it said something else, it would make a difference somehow?

 Crimson wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Unfortunately it says they are all boys in the Codex.

Must be impossible to make your own.

Oh wait.

It isn't and I probably will. It is still shame that a pointless gender restriction was written in the lore of another faction.

Although i agree its stupid, the lore of custodes has been around for atleast 15 years

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

Congratulations, brave and noble dakka poster, through your intelligent and clever use of intellect and raw, unadulterated cunning you have successfully left me completely dumfounded and at an utter loss for words. Seriously though, I don't think you understand. This. Is. Officially. The Most. Intelligent. Thing. I. Have. Ever. Seen. Men could live for centuries, for millennia, gathering the knowledge and wisdom of their lands and many others, and still not reach the level of ability that is presented here. The magnificence of the thing, the sheer wonder that such a majestic creation can bestow upon us lowly and unworthy mortals, is far beyond the grasp of a mere man such as myself. I would thank you, but I believe to even involve myself with thee within society would be to ask too much, for I feel that one of such ability as yours is not fit for communication with mere men. Please, fine sir, do not attempt to contact me again. I feel that the magnificence of your presence would be too much for myself to bare.

Oh, please. Stop mewling. You know as well as I do that this sort of drivel deserves nothing short of laughter. It's literally the only response I could muster. What, a rational argument? It'd go right over their heads and get ignored, and I'd just be labeled a 'bigot'.

Guys- 40k is all about mistreating minorities.

And women.

Stop enjoying things that are problematic, guys.

We. Need. Female. Marines.

There are no explicit references to discrimination against minorities in the Imperium. The Imperium, for its faults, has unified all of humanity against aliens and chaos. Humanity in 40k are hateful donkey-caves, certainly, but they hate aliens, not other humans. The Imperium, from the literature and lore I’ve read, is fairly egalitarian. Any racial divides would be stamped out by military force, because they weaken humanity against the TRUE “other”. 40k is a world where the “other” is not other humans (which it is now, and therefore racism/sexism exists), but instead it is aliens and daemons.

pismakron wrote:
Okay? And if it said something else, it would make a difference somehow?

I find myself completely baffled at how some people think that changing a work of fiction is going to resolve actual societal issues.

"Hold on guys, if we put women in the book- suddenly people who are actual bigots will change."

And one more thing: Marvel has not been ruined by anything. They have a gigantic revenue, because they are selling what people want, whether it is political correctness or big-breasted girls wearing spandex.

pismakron wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

pismakron wrote:

How do you know that helmeted Custodes are not all girls?

Unfortunately it says they are all boys in the Codex.

Okay? And if it said something else, it would make a difference somehow?

We may have had female models idk, probs would still be male

 Verviedi wrote:
There are no explicit references to discrimination against minorities in the Imperium. The Imperium, for its faults, has unified all of humanity against aliens and chaos. Humanity in 40k are hateful donkey-caves, certainly, but they hate aliens, not other humans. The Imperium, from the literature and lore I’ve read, is fairly egalitarian. Any racial divides would be stamped out by military force, because they weian humanity against the TRUE “other”. 40k is a world where the “other” is not other humans (which it is now, and therefore racism/sexism exists), but instead it is aliens and daemons.

Yes, I agree. The post I was laughing at was insinuating that this was some sort of 'facsimile' of some massive racist problem of the Middle Class of the United States of America.

I couldn't help it, I found that leap of logic to be honestly the most hilarious thing I've seen since Meagan the Screaming Pug.

How could the Imperium be a reflection of the Middle Class of the United States of America when it was created as a parody based in the social problems, popular tropes, etc.. of UK in the 80's and 90's.

Where did the OP go? I am still waiting for a reply to the fem40k article being "ok"

When you attack a community it no longer matters what your message is, good or bad, you are then seen as an outsider trying to cause trouble.

" it has its dark underbelly: a tribal and woefully toxic group of players who seek to isolate and protect “their” fandom at all costs, similar to a child screaming over “their” section of the playground when it is to be shared for everyone."
Unacceptable as it ignores context within the setting, directly attacks wargaming fanbase.

"This has plagued the fandom for generations, and while not exclusive to the game, has turned off many players who feel uncomfortable playing a hobby that requires interaction with such folk."
Generalist statement that has no proof and provides no proof, passed off as fact even though it is opinion.

"demeaning and crass treatment of women in game stores, condoning racist and abhorrent behavior towards minorities or disabled persons, online harassment, and shaming other people for daring to enjoy the same hobby."
Again making a statement with no proof, using buzzwords to try to bring people to their cause and attempting to gain credibility through outrage, engaging in the same behaviour that they claim to be fighting against in the very same sentence.

"It is one thing to deny the existence and experiences of the many, many players who have faced "
Again, no proof provided.

"such treatment by self-proclaimed “fans”"
Attempted undermining of any counter points.

"this has forced many of us in the community to shun open spaces for fear of inviting anything from rape threats to unsolicited advances from these shining examples of humanity. "
Attempting to gain emotional support and cause outrage to reinforce their political ideology, falling back on the usual "rape" threats SJW tactic, still no proof provided and again attempted undermining of any counter points.

"Feminist 40K is a closed community, and that is not because we want to be, but because we have to be."
refusal to have open dialogue, closed group that only allows like minded people, victim mentality again, another attempt at closing off counter points.

"Warhammer 40,000 is built upon decades of continuously rewritten and fluid fiction, with changes made to reflect the times and Games Workshops’ player base."
Wrong, 40k is one of the most consistent universes around, small changes are made here and there but on the whole it has been consistent throughout, expanding upon an idea is no re writing it, they should know this.

"such as the unnecessary sexualization of female-oriented miniatures to the lack of representation in model choice"
Personal opinion passed off as fact, 40k has massive representation of "minorities", grey model, paint how you like.

"and request Games Workshop"
Nothing has come across as a request yet.

"The vitriolic reaction to this"
prove it.

"Aside from the individual harassment of our players, there have been attempts at banning our page, concerted efforts to shut us down"
no evidence provided again, consistent with clear victim mentality displayed so far, another weak attempt to gain sympathy for non existent issue.

"nd continuous defamation and bullying online for the audacity of challenging established canon"
The very things they are in fact doing in this very article, they fired the first shot and are now crying because they have apparently been "bullied", provide proof.

"Take Adepta Sororitas armour. It emphasises the female figure to a sexualised level "
Ignoring context again to push political ideology, there is a reason they look this way.

"but alongside nearly-naked repentant fanatics, a long-running mistreatment in both in-game lore and GW codexes, and lack of relatively cheap and updated armies, it’s hard for women"
Based on assumption that woman want female models, based on assumption that woman are so shallow that they can ONLY play the game if there are more woman models, ignoring context of models yet again.

"to not take that as a statement that GW just doesn’t care much for its female player base"
Yet another false equivalence, yet another attempt to gain favour through "outrage"

"The matter of variety in ethnicity of models also turns away minorities who prefer to be represented by more than cultural stereotypes born of the comic books and action movies of the 80’s."
This is an outright lie, the models are grey, paint them how you like, also no proof provided yet again and passing off opinion as fact.

"Ask the frothing, furious fans who spend the better half of their day finding ways to harass other fans who also want to make small plastic soldiers kill each other. "
aaaaaand another attempt to discredit any disenting views, another attack on the 40k community..... sigh

"We love its over-the-top design, its shameless lifting of tropes from pop culture, its satire of fascistic theocracy, its sheer scale and flexibility that allows one to make an army that is very much our own"
And yet you are unable to "make your own" female army using 3rd party parts.... hmmm, amazed they didnt spot this obvious counter point and try to shut it down.

"Everyone wins: minorities gain better representation"
Again, grey models, based on assumption that a black person will only play the game if it has black people in it, inherently bigoted point of view that

" more options for writing and models are sold"
assumption, provide proof

" It’s much deeper than simply changing a coat of paint or adding a pair of accentuated breasts on a chestplate"
Is it? then why havent you actually shown this, again making a general statement with no backing, if its "deeper" than this, show us.

"but the reactionary views of loud, stubborn dinosaurs are truly ruining the experience, as much as they claim to be the victim."
Another attack on counter points, another attack on the 40k community "you agree with us or you are a dinosaur" and attempted displacement, this whole article show that they infact have the "victim" mentality and have tried several times to reinforce it.

"Representation matters. It shows people that they are recognised"
Yep it does, well done....

" it allows women to safely play the hobby without spending the whole time staring at sexualised representations of the female form"
Another assumption, woman like those models, woman dislike those models, like men they have differing opinions, also, the males are just as sexualised, but no one cares about that right??

"and then deal with men who seem to think they have a right to allow what women can or can’t feel demeaned by"
Actually this is exactly what you are doing right now, how ironic!

"it allows gaming to be a fun hobby without fear of being harassed online, threatened, insulted or publicly shamed for one’s preference of miniature post-humans."
Yay! more victim mentality and apparent threats from the community,, yay more lack of proof... yaaaaay!

 Tokhuah wrote:
Gender is less an issue than race in 40K. The Imperium represents culturally insulated racism paralleling the current middle America "backwards bubble" that is resisting the evolutionary cultural path of all other first world nations and regions. The Imperium is built on the same nationalism mingled with religious fanaticism. Simply put: the imperialistic humans call everything not them the "X" word and stand behind nationalist paradigms to justify imposing their fascist will over any that oppose them. I mean, the same root word that is in Xenophobe is also in the bigoted word the Imperium uses for alien races, so how could it be more obvious short of unbridled hate speech?

So? The Imperium is clearly depicted as a fascist state driven by fanaticism, militancy and complete disregard for the value of individual lives. And I really don't see the issue. It is fiction afterall.

Purifying Tempest wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

Purifying Tempest wrote:
50% skin coverage in many places today is pushing it. They're overclad. I propose that we draw LESS clothes on cartoon models to be more reflective of society.

I can work that argument, too.

No, you really can't. I mean, it's FINE that you want to ignore the difference in representation. Big part of that good ol freedom is your freedom to stay ignorant in the face of evidence. It just invalidates any possible contribution you might have to the adult conversation.

If you want to misrepresent a real social problem (perceived inadequacy between genders) by quoting fictional works specifically designed to be what they are to make money, then you're kind of turning your eyes away from reality, not me.

The artists drew those panels because 1) they enjoy it, and god forbid they enjoy their livelihood, and 2) because it put bread on their table.

You may be able to dredge up one who is intentionally trying to degrade women in his medium, but they're likely to be butchered corpses and excessive gore during a battle, not scantily clad and heroic figures. You're really conflating with visually enjoying the medium and what it represents with some lurking evil to totally disparage a gender through art and hobby.

Those are not political statements, those are the product of labor, labor done to two ends: bring satisfaction to someone's life, and to make ends meet. To inject some insidious plot to put women back in the kitchen is just... well, ignorant.

Wrong. It's not some lurking evil thats out to get people. It's not some intentional war on women.

Those panels are drawn that way because the truth is society finds those kind of depictions acceptable and they DON"T find the reverse (men depicted that way) acceptable. Those pictures I post are examples of a symptom of the actual issue that the vast majority of the time is not malicious, it's thoughtless. But thoughtless behavior still causes damage. We can either recognize the thoughtless behaviour for what it is and be better or you can keep letting it cause damage. Many companies and products are doing that. And when they do people shout "Oh man... someone else caving to the SJW. What a bunch of whiney bs!". At which point, it is malicious. As massive as the idiocy of the extremists on all sides is (Yes, the extremists SJW and feminist are massive idiots just like those fighting them), trying to bully companies or complain because they decided they were going to grow up, put on their big person pants, and try to treat people fairly is actively fighting against equality and makes you the problem.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

Congratulations, brave and noble dakka poster, through your intelligent and clever use of intellect and raw, unadulterated cunning you have successfully left me completely dumfounded and at an utter loss for words. Seriously though, I don't think you understand. This. Is. Officially. The Most. Intelligent. Thing. I. Have. Ever. Seen. Men could live for centuries, for millennia, gathering the knowledge and wisdom of their lands and many others, and still not reach the level of ability that is presented here. The magnificence of the thing, the sheer wonder that such a majestic creation can bestow upon us lowly and unworthy mortals, is far beyond the grasp of a mere man such as myself. I would thank you, but I believe to even involve myself with thee within society would be to ask too much, for I feel that one of such ability as yours is not fit for communication with mere men. Please, fine sir, do not attempt to contact me again. I feel that the magnificence of your presence would be too much for myself to bare.

Oh, please. Stop mewling. You know as well as I do that this sort of drivel deserves nothing short of laughter. It's literally the only response I could muster. What, a rational argument? It'd go right over their heads and get ignored, and I'd just be labeled a 'bigot'.

Guys- 40k is all about mistreating minorities.

And women.

Stop enjoying things that are problematic, guys.

We. Need. Female. Marines.

There are no explicit references to discrimination against minorities in the Imperium. The Imperium, for its faults, has unified all of humanity against aliens and chaos. Humanity in 40k are hateful donkey-caves, certainly, but they hate aliens, not other humans. The Imperium, from the literature and lore I’ve read, is fairly egalitarian. Any racial divides would be stamped out by military force, because they weaken humanity against the TRUE “other”. 40k is a world where the “other” is not other humans (which it is now, and therefore racism/sexism exists), but instead it is aliens and daemons.

There's actually a quote from Discworld that best sums that up -

Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because—what with trolls and dwarfs and so on—speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.

 Galas wrote:
How could the Imperium be a reflection of the Middle Class of the United States of America when it was created as a parody based in the social problems, popular tropes, etc.. of UK in the 80's and 90's.

You thought "God-Emperor Trump" was just a meme?

We're dead serious.

(I'm joking, of course)

 Galas wrote:
How could the Imperium be a reflection of the Middle Class of the United States of America when it was created as a parody based in the social problems, popular tropes, etc.. of UK in the 80's and 90's.

Don't you know? The new president has just decreed that anyone opposing him is a heretic, and just commissioned the construction of a 1000 foot tall techno-cathedral, adorned with statues in his likeness.

Edit :
Goddammit, Adeptus beat me to the joke :(

 Lance845 wrote:

Those panels are drawn that way because the truth is society finds those kind of depictions acceptable and they DON"T find the reverse (men depicted that way) acceptable. Those pictures I post are examples of a symptom of the actual issue that the vast majority of the time is not malicious, it's thoughtless. But thoughtless behavior still causes damage. We can either recognize the thoughtless behaviour for what it is and be better or you can keep letting it cause damage.

Look, I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. And I'm going to be very calm, and very polite.

*deep breath*

If seeing a cartoon drawing of something causes you 'damage', then you need to stop. Something is fundamentally wrong with you. This is not a normal reaction from a healthy, well-adjusted, and functional adult. This is a serious issue and you need to seek a professional immediately.

It's a cartoon drawing.

Allow me to elaborate- you're saying that a cartoon drawing is causing damage to women. Not to men, but women.

Maybe you shouldn't be treating women like unhinged children that need to be shielded from tiddy drawings. It's kind of demeaning.

Nope. Nope. We're not doing this whole thing again. We play to escape from the usual politics.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

Those panels are drawn that way because the truth is society finds those kind of depictions acceptable and they DON"T find the reverse (men depicted that way) acceptable. Those pictures I post are examples of a symptom of the actual issue that the vast majority of the time is not malicious, it's thoughtless. But thoughtless behavior still causes damage. We can either recognize the thoughtless behaviour for what it is and be better or you can keep letting it cause damage.

Look, I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. And I'm going to be very calm, and very polite.

*deep breath*

If seeing a cartoon drawing of something causes you 'damage', then you need to stop. Something is fundamentally wrong with you. This is not a normal reaction from a healthy, well-adjusted, and functional adult. This is a serious issue and you need to seek a professional immediately.

It's a cartoon drawing.

He also finds it ok for men to be oversexualised in comics but finds it wrong for woman to be, double standards right there.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

Those panels are drawn that way because the truth is society finds those kind of depictions acceptable and they DON"T find the reverse (men depicted that way) acceptable. Those pictures I post are examples of a symptom of the actual issue that the vast majority of the time is not malicious, it's thoughtless. But thoughtless behavior still causes damage. We can either recognize the thoughtless behaviour for what it is and be better or you can keep letting it cause damage.

Look, I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. And I'm going to be very calm, and very polite.

*deep breath*

If seeing a cartoon drawing of something causes you 'damage', then you need to stop. Something is fundamentally wrong with you. This is not a normal reaction from a healthy, well-adjusted, and functional adult. This is a serious issue and you need to seek a professional immediately.

It's a cartoon drawing.

Do you understand the word symptom? Or how about how societies function? Psychology on any level?

 Lance845 wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Being near perfect anatomically and wearing an outfit with 50% of your body as exposed skin are 2 very different things. You have never once read a marvel or dc comic where a male Lanterns costume... which is a construct of their mind by the way, looked like this.

Oh no, it's almost as if there's a considerably larger male demographic buying comics (or rather, was at one time).

Man, you know what cracks me up?

The amount of dudes that are complaining for women. "They should be offended by this!"

Yeah, most of them aren't because they're adults that know the difference between a cartoon drawing and actually objectifying a real human being.

That's why people have so much difficulty taking feminists seriously these days. You're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, and you spend way too much time trying to crusade for people that never asked for your help. And then you write them off as 'stupid' or 'defeated' when they don't care about your first world grievances.

Let's clarify.

I am a dude. I am offended by this..

This isn't some dude telling women what they should be offended by. This is me being offended.

So?

Also in my own opinion, the free market will decide what happens with 40k and how diverse it is. If they make female models and they sell moderatly well then we'll get a few more female models. If they don't sell we won't and whining at GW about it won't change a thing.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Being near perfect anatomically and wearing an outfit with 50% of your body as exposed skin are 2 very different things. You have never once read a marvel or dc comic where a male Lanterns costume... which is a construct of their mind by the way, looked like this.

Oh no, it's almost as if there's a considerably larger male demographic buying comics (or rather, was at one time).

Man, you know what cracks me up?

The amount of dudes that are complaining for women. "They should be offended by this!"

Yeah, most of them aren't because they're adults that know the difference between a cartoon drawing and actually objectifying a real human being.

That's why people have so much difficulty taking feminists seriously these days. You're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, and you spend way too much time trying to crusade for people that never asked for your help. And then you write them off as 'stupid' or 'defeated' when they don't care about your first world grievances.

Let's clarify.

I am a dude. I am offended by this..

This isn't some dude telling women what they should be offended by. This is me being offended.

So?

Also in my own opinion, the free market will decide what happens with 40k and how diverse it is. If they make female models and they sell moderatly well then we'll get a few more female models. If they don't sell we won't and whining at GW about it won't change a thing.

Didnt you know that its a god given right not to be offended these days!!!

 Lance845 wrote:
Do you understand the word symptom? Or how about how societies function? Psychology on any level?

I would love to see something that indicates that cartoon drawings are a symptom of some terrible societal problems for women.

Also, let's just say it is a symptom.

You don't treat symptoms. You treat the disease.

Now, do tell- what is this 'disease' and your evidence for the diagnosis?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Do you understand the word symptom? Or how about how societies function? Psychology on any level?

I would love to see something that indicates that cartoon drawings are a symptom of some terrible societal problems for women.

Also, let's just say it is a symptom.

You don't treat symptoms. You treat the disease.

Now, do tell- what is this 'disease' and your evidence for the diagnosis?

The disease is lack of Sisters of Battle relea.... Oh no please Hybrid, don't kill me, it was a jok... *dies*

The disease is the lack of cowbell. Its the only cure.
Also a plastic thunderhawk. Don't ask me how its related, it just is.

Nope, I am unwilling to do the work needed to answer those questions for you. By all means, go educate yourself... or don't! It doesn't actually matter to me and I am okay with you being wrong.

While this bs topic is still active, why not discuss something really "problematic" gun control in the 40k universe.