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Future War Cultist wrote: Is just me or is L3 almost a cheeky acknowledgement of the accusations of obsession with social justice that's been leveled at Star Wars of late? It's a bit like Terrace & Philip from South Park; Stone and Parker were accused of making a crudely animated show that was nothing but fart jokes. And their response was to say "let us show you what a badly animated show that's all fart jokes would really look like". Solo seems to be joking around with it and that's quite funny really.
Here's a funny take on L3, she was actually put in as a mockery of Kennedy.
I saw L3 as in part being a shot at the stereotypes of SJW's. The character's pursuit for equality and freedom is treated as a joke because the character's approach is so hatchet faced it's laughable. I see that as distinct from taking a shot at anyone with progressive ideas since SJW is an insult thrown around by people with hatchet faced ideas about progressivism who love ranting in youtube videos t conspiracy theories about how the progressive agenda is out to get them and the whole thing is just laughable. Such a narrow perspective would never last as anything more than a hack effort
Spoiler:
which is what L3s little rebellion ends up being.
EDIT: At the same time, the character is also typical of the shallow efforts of progressivism as a marketing gimmick. A poorly thought out attempt to validate a position by placing it in a position of prominence without remotely thinking through the implications of that position within the broader context of whatever the marketing team is trying to sell. The same thing happened in Black Panther imo, where the film was billed and presented as this progressive effort but ultimately came off to me as being mostly a placebo for non-Black fans who want to join in on feeling progressive without actually doing anything progressive. Which would imo be the real flaw of progressivism in media. Not that it's cancerous or out to get anyone, but that it's just a placebo masquerading as actual progress.
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Manchu wrote: In the beginning of the film, Han and Kira are racing away from a life of poverty and servitude through the grimy streets of an industrial labyrinth. The camera pans up toward the heavy clouds bearing down on the pitiless conurbation and we see a skeletal Star Destroyer under construction ominously hung in the troubled skies, like Damocles's sword.
In this shot, Howard connects the terrible conditions of the life these poor kids are trying to escape to the oppressive might of the corrupt Empire that presides over a galaxy of inequity.
Anything but a visual feast?
My gripe is with...
Spoiler:
...the kessel run itself. 30 mins through cgi fog and utter darkness. they could do sooooo much better than that.
And I did not really liked how Corellia was portrayed. not bad, but not anything to write home about either.
Future War Cultist wrote: Is just me or is L3 almost a cheeky acknowledgement of the accusations of obsession with social justice that's been leveled at Star Wars of late? It's a bit like Terrace & Philip from South Park; Stone and Parker were accused of making a crudely animated show that was nothing but fart jokes. And their response was to say "let us show you what a badly animated show that's all fart jokes would really look like". Solo seems to be joking around with it and that's quite funny really.
Here's a funny take on L3, she was actually put in as a mockery of Kennedy.
That makes sense to me.
0016/04/10 14:22:00
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
OK so I just got back from seeing the film. Unfortunately, I had a gak time and was thoroughly, forcefully reminded why I fething hate cinemas and wish they would just hurry up and be killed off by the internet already.
First, it turns out that just before I showed up for the start of the film, one of the minimum wage dippy schoolkids they have running the place accidentally triggered the fire alarm, meaning every screen shut down automatically and couldn't be restarted for fifteen minutes, so we got to sit in the cinema staring at a blank screen. Then when they finally got everything going, not only are the amount of adverts even more ludicrous than I remember them being, their glitchy-ass digital projector system ran through the pre-trailer advert sequence twice over.
So now we're nearly 40 goddamn minutes after the intended start time, and the film at last begins. Unfortunately the projector system was *still* fethed, since the image brightness on the picture was fething awful, to the point that big stretches of the film were just vague dark blurs, and on top of that the volume on the audio kept spiking really high to the point where the various big "hey, 'member Star Wars?" musical stings were often distorted.
I am not even slightly exaggerating when I say that I've watched shonky Russian cam torrents of equivalent quality to this pish. And just as the cherry on top, the guy three rows down was a honking fething buffoon with a laugh like a bandsaw, so in the rare moments my ears weren't ringing from the gakky blaring volume, every even slightly humorous remark or look in the film treated everyone to a sound like a fething trained seal baying for fish.
The film itself is, I think, pretty good, but I can't make a fair judgement because of how utter garbage the experience was.
Also, on L3:
Spoiler:
She actually wasn't in there as much as I was expecting based on comments from reviewers, and actually when you think about it her wee subplot is actually pretty fething dark - she gets a bunch of folk killed in the escape, gets blasted to bits, and then is condemned to spend all eternity as a disembodied program stuck in the Falcon's computer systems serving its owner.
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"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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2018/05/29 14:40:29
Subject: Re:Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
Saw it yesterday, double-featured it with Deadpool 2, and came out of it enjoying Solo more.
I found Ehrenreich to be a perfectly serviceable young Han Solo, I was worried he'd growl through the whole movie but now and again he makes the role his own, Glover stole every scene he was in except the ones L3 stole from him. Emilia Clarke was also fine, not really outstanding but her character was a bit more complicated than the others and it would have been very rough if she'd dropped the ball like I thought she would.
Relative Rogue One, it lacks that big indulgent set piece battle but makes up for it with better performances and dialogue overall. It's a more 'chasey' movie that does a good job conveying the types of lives people in the Star Wars underworld live without being a big expo-dump on how said underworld actually works.
And I loved L3 from the moment they introduced her trying to talk those droids into turning on their masters.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, did anybody else think they saw a Spaceballs reference?
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, did anybody else think they saw a Spaceballs reference?
Remind me...
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“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
2018/05/29 18:05:08
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
The presence of hyper fuel rather raises the question of why didn’t Finn and Rose try to get some? I get it’s expensive, and may even have been abandoned as a fuel source due to its rarity, but I’d like to see that covered off somewhere.
The Resistance animated series strikes me as a good place to cover it?
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LOL MDG that is a good point. Although I think it cuts moreso against the notion of a (pardon the paradoxical phrasing) "static chase sequence" as the central frame of a film than as a heist flick mcguffin.
In Rebels, we see a couple of refuelling runs, and those involved far larger containers than we see in Solo, suggesting that despite its potency, it was ultimate abandoned.
Certainly I can see The Empire making it as difficult to access as possible. And it may have been in high demand for Project Stardust and the Super Star Destroyer project?
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It definitely serves that function, by being a clear ticking clock (when it's turning red) and also a pretty glowing crystal, which is the easiest way to suggest hey this is really valuable.
Coaxium was originally harvested from the tissue and organs of the Purrgil (the space whales from Rebels) although it can be synthetically created but not nearly as effectively as whaling, it's quite possible that that events in Rebels led to it not being a viable fuel source afterwards - or they could be making this up on the fly
Speaking of McGuffins apparently each of the McGuffins from the 4 Indiana Jones film can be found in Vos's collection.
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2018/05/29 21:56:49
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
Yodhrin wrote: big stretches of the film were just vague dark blurs]
Yeah, it was like that, don't think there was anything up with the projector.
You know, I also thought there was something off with the projector at my theater (not an unheard of issue there). During the scenes in the snow, the brightest color was literally "dark grey" and there were tons of scenes that were so dark it was hard to even recognize people. Was it really like that for other people, too?
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2018/05/29 21:59:04
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
Yeah the movie was pretty murky looking at time. Right from the beginning, the shots in Lady Proxima's lair are not only saturated in blue but the contrast is also very high. Contrast remains an issue throughout.
Lady Proximas lair in the beginning was the only dark or oversaturated part of the movie in my theatre, and I assumed the blue cavelike saturation was the entire point, considering what happens. Technical theatre problems arent exactly the fault of the movie.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
2018/05/29 22:33:31
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
AegisGrimm wrote: Lady Proximas lair in the beginning was the only dark or oversaturated part of the movie in my theatre, and I assumed the blue cavelike saturation was the entire point, considering what happens. Technical theatre problems arent exactly the fault of the movie.
Totally agree with the latter but after reading what was posted I was wondering if it actually was a technical issue. It definitely didn't see quite as dark in the back half; the worst parts for that were the the scenes leading up to, including and subsequent to the Proxima cave. Other parts were dark but in that grey area where it could be a technical issue or it could be a directorial choice.
I somehow forgot to mention this but donglover was amazing. As someone else said, he really did steal every scene he was in. Forget Solo, now I want to see Lando.
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2018/05/30 00:16:53
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
Future War Cultist wrote: Is just me or is L3 almost a cheeky acknowledgement of the accusations of obsession with social justice that's been leveled at Star Wars of late? It's a bit like Terrace & Philip from South Park; Stone and Parker were accused of making a crudely animated show that was nothing but fart jokes. And their response was to say "let us show you what a badly animated show that's all fart jokes would really look like". Solo seems to be joking around with it and that's quite funny really.
Which makes me wonder if making L3 a joke like that is why the original directors were fired, and what the movie looked like before it was redone.
The presence of hyper fuel rather raises the question of why didn’t Finn and Rose try to get some? I get it’s expensive, and may even have been abandoned as a fuel source due to its rarity, but I’d like to see that covered off somewhere.
The Resistance animated series strikes me as a good place to cover it?
You mean this movie makes TLJ look even worse? I honestly didn't think that was possible!
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LordofHats wrote: I saw L3 as in part being a shot at the stereotypes of SJW's. The character's pursuit for equality and freedom is treated as a joke because the character's approach is so hatchet faced it's laughable. I see that as distinct from taking a shot at anyone with progressive ideas since SJW is an insult thrown around by people with hatchet faced ideas about progressivism who love ranting in youtube videos t conspiracy theories about how the progressive agenda is out to get them and the whole thing is just laughable. Such a narrow perspective would never last as anything more than a hack effort
Spoiler:
which is what L3s little rebellion ends up being.
EDIT: At the same time, the character is also typical of the shallow efforts of progressivism as a marketing gimmick. A poorly thought out attempt to validate a position by placing it in a position of prominence without remotely thinking through the implications of that position within the broader context of whatever the marketing team is trying to sell. The same thing happened in Black Panther imo, where the film was billed and presented as this progressive effort but ultimately came off to me as being mostly a placebo for non-Black fans who want to join in on feeling progressive without actually doing anything progressive. Which would imo be the real flaw of progressivism in media. Not that it's cancerous or out to get anyone, but that it's just a placebo masquerading as actual progress.
So you're pointing out movies and similar just suck at showing your actual ideas or basically have a crappy grasp of it. So then our complaints against them at least are sort of legitimate.
Far as conspiracy theories go i'd say your group has some big ones too. If you want i could say in a pm to you. I don't want to get the topic shut down.
So you're pointing out movies and similar just suck at showing your actual ideas or basically have a crappy grasp of it. So then our complaints against them at least are sort of legitimate.
Depends on how your mean by "our" and "you." I think most people suck at expressing any idea, and generally have really crappy grasps of social issues regardless of which side of the line they fall on. It's easy to applaud a fictional character and say "we need more of that" and people have been doing such for decades. People are lazy. They like easy.
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So you're pointing out movies and similar just suck at showing your actual ideas or basically have a crappy grasp of it. So then our complaints against them at least are sort of legitimate.
Depends on how your mean by "our" and "you." I think most people suck at expressing any idea, and generally have really crappy grasps of social issues regardless of which side of the line they fall on. It's easy to applaud a fictional character and say "we need more of that" and people have been doing such for decades. People are lazy. They like easy.
In this case i mean the 2 political groups (i'll just say PC and anti-PC here) when saying 'you' and 'our'.
I'm still a bit bummed none of the star wars movies (haven't seen Solo yet) haven't really had much in the way of female or villains of other color. I suppose maybe that random hacker in the rose and finn sub-plot, the useless chrome girl baddie and maybe one anonymous baddie in TLJ.
Anyway i'd go on but my internet's about to die.
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DaveC wrote: Coaxium was originally harvested from the tissue and organs of the Purrgil (the space whales from Rebels) although it can be synthetically created but not nearly as effectively as whaling, it's quite possible that that events in Rebels led to it not being a viable fuel source afterwards - or they could be making this up on the fly
Speaking of McGuffins apparently each of the McGuffins from the 4 Indiana Jones film can be found in Vos's collection.
Not quite.
The crystal skull is actually a throwback to an old Han Solo novel (as shown on the cover art for it, too).
I did like Donald Glover's references to places and things from the old Lando novels as well. Sharu, Oseon and Thonboka.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
2018/05/30 03:43:56
Subject: Han Solo film, please no spoilers or at least tag them.
Yodhrin wrote: big stretches of the film were just vague dark blurs]
Yeah, it was like that, don't think there was anything up with the projector.
There really was, the difference between the trailers on my PC monitor and the faded, dim image on the projector was massive. Even the "bright" scenes were washed out and harder to see than they should have been.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
So you're pointing out movies and similar just suck at showing your actual ideas or basically have a crappy grasp of it. So then our complaints against them at least are sort of legitimate.
Depends on how your mean by "our" and "you." I think most people suck at expressing any idea, and generally have really crappy grasps of social issues regardless of which side of the line they fall on. It's easy to applaud a fictional character and say "we need more of that" and people have been doing such for decades. People are lazy. They like easy.
In this case i mean the 2 political groups (i'll just say PC and anti-PC here) when saying 'you' and 'our'.
I'm still a bit bummed none of the star wars movies (haven't seen Solo yet) haven't really had much in the way of female or villains of other color. I suppose maybe that random hacker in the rose and finn sub-plot, the useless chrome girl baddie and maybe one anonymous baddie in TLJ.
Anyway i'd go on but my internet's about to die.
Nah Phasma has been a big disappointment as a character imo. I had big hopes for a kick ass girl Boba but she’s such a pushover in both films she appears in. Sure Boba is maybe a bit overblown but idk he has a much better air of awesome around him.
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Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Well, I don’t get the hate this film is receiving. It was a good movie, maybe not a great movie, but it is a good one. It feels like Star Wars, it’s added some additional depth. I give it an 85%.
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