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Yeah the OT battles were more like COIN operations than wars of conquest.

I gotta believe somebody working on SOLO was a 40k fan. That was scene seemed halfway inspired by the idea of compliance during the Great Crusade and the other half inspired by Imperial Guard.

 Manchu wrote:
Yeah the OT battles were more like COIN operations than wars of conquest.

I gotta believe somebody working on SOLO was a 40k fan. That was scene seemed halfway inspired by the idea of compliance during the Great Crusade and the other half inspired by Imperial Guard.

You saw it too.

 Manchu wrote:
We never saw a stormtrooper commander until TFA, with Captain Phasma. In the OT, stormtroopers were commanded by Imperial Army officers (whereas, clone troopers had clone officers in the PT). It stands to reason that the Imperial Army was not solely an officer corps by the time of ESB. The lack of enlisted Imperial Army personnel at Hoth could be explained by the fact that Vader had been given overall command of the the taskforce assigned to hunt down the Rebellion. Vader had a special relationship to the Stormtrooper Corps, given his leadership of the 101st during the Clone Wars. Also Vader's own position outside of the regular military chain of command is well-mirrored by the emphatically political nature of the Stormtrooper Corps.

I could have sworn that the Black Uniformed Officer on the Tantive IV was a Stormtrooper Commander.

He was, but it's a "Legends" thing now.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daine_Jir

"Legends" strikes again.

Also, we do know some non-Stormtrooper Imperial Army units survived into the nuCanon GCW-era Empire, as the blurb for the GAVw Occupier tank mentions "mechanised infantry" units in addition to Stormtrooper forces.

Also sidenote - while the wiki has yet to catch up and so far as I know they've not actually been given a new Proper Capitalised Designation yet, "snowtroopers" seem to be more general "hostile environment troopers" now, as they get deployed to places like post-Death Star blast Jedha in the nuCanon comics.

And yeah, the specific conflicts depicted on-screen in the OT leave loads of room for new stuff to be inserted because of their scope or location - Scarif was a commando raid followed by hastily deployed marines so no heavy land stuff for the Rebels, Tatooine was a rapid pursuit and Vader used what he had on hand, Hoth had specific environmental conditions that limited both sides, and Endor was an infiltration mission(thus it still making sense to use the Imperial shuttle even if the Rebels had U-Wings) and an outright space superiority battle(thus making infantry support gunships like U-Wings useless so they wouldn't have been deployed).

EDIT: Oh jeebus, don't try getting into the whole Imperial ranks and uniforms thing, you will go completely mad. I've found a fan system that makes some vague amount of sense and I'll be sticking with it, canon be damned, until the people running the franchise put some effort into sorting it all out.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. We knew she hadn't been signed last month, but the script should be "done" now, and it's far more likely that her leaving twitter is evidence that she finally signed onto the project and has a part now so had to sign a non disclosure agreement.

The only merits of solo was they went with the lowest common denominator and didn't do anything devisive or insane. Like pulling a highlander, and killing solo and just the guy who killed him pick up his name like it's a title. So it ended up being a enjoyable movie, yet not a must see blockbuster movie, more of a wait til netflix movie. I'm left wonder though, will they do something based on the end of the movie or is it a scene will becoming meaningless like most of the setups from TFA.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. ... ...

Facebook group Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys claims credit for online abuse levelled at Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran

 Kilkrazy wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. ... ...

Facebook group Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys claims credit for online abuse levelled at Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran

ya and isis claims credit for any explosion, that doesn't mean it's true or in any way factual. What does Tran say about it?

I didn’t realise until after I watched it again on Sunday that He had those markings sure but I thought those were ritualistic scars or tattoos or something.

Also, Solo’s poor box office performance is depressing me. It really truly deserved better than that. It’s a good movie.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. ... ...

Facebook group Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys claims credit for online abuse levelled at Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran

ya and isis claims credit for any explosion, that doesn't mean it's true or in any way factual. What does Tran say about it?

Don't you believe there are any bigots on the internet?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I didn’t realise until after I watched it again on Sunday that

Spoiler:

Dryden Vos wasn’t a human.

He had those markings sure but I thought those were ritualistic scars or tattoos or something.

He could still be human, but altered in some way. I'm sure some toy or book will tell his species for sure.

-

 Kilkrazy wrote:


Don't you believe there are any bigots on the internet?

There are plenty; but I don't necessarily believe the claims of random people on social media, such as the guy who told the world his mate was personally behind the low audience RT scores for TLJ.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. ... ...

Facebook group Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys claims credit for online abuse levelled at Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran

ya and isis claims credit for any explosion, that doesn't mean it's true or in any way factual. What does Tran say about it?

Don't you believe there are any bigots on the internet?

Sure there are, lots of them, but that doesn't explain why Tran left, and if that was the reason, there would have been a dozen interviews with her by now saying how horrible those star wars fans are.

I can say, because there are bigots on the internet, I created the universe qed. then why people deny my claim I just ask, Don't you believe there are any bigots on the internet?

again the question that matters is "what reason did tran state for leaving?" anything else is just speculation and heresay. She could just as easily as quit because to many people were complimenting her and saying what a great person and role model she is.

I said it, there are trolls on the internet, it must be true she left because people were to nice to her.

Neither do I, but we have many evidences of female media personalities being attacked online by sexist shitbags, thus it seems compeltely feasible that Kelly Tran deleted her accounts because of this.

Note that she didn't temporarily disable her accounts, she deleted everything. That belies the idea that she simply didn't want to accidentally reveal details of episode 9.

Lastly, if ISIS claim responsibility for something they didn't do, it doesn't mean they've never done anything.

I felt the big reveal at the end was th eworst form of Franchise tie-in nonsense that was superflous and pointless.

Also, it sounds like their are many crime syndicates out there. Does that mean Black Sun is still a thing? A counter to Crimson Dawn?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Neither do I, but we have many evidences of female media personalities being attacked online by sexist shitbags, thus it seems compeltely feasible that Kelly Tran deleted her accounts because of this.

Note that she didn't temporarily disable her accounts, she deleted everything. That belies the idea that she simply didn't want to accidentally reveal details of episode 9.

Lastly, if ISIS claim responsibility for something they didn't do, it doesn't mean they've never done anything.

So you only care about the females that are harassed? I'd hate to see what people wrote about the kids who played king goeffry or malfoid, or even adults like gabrial or even Eugene (walking dead) harassment of actors for the roles they play is bad mmmkay.

when you temp disable your account it removes all your pictures, just like what tran did. arkoms razor points to a NDA over harassment, or even a publicity stunt by Disney isn't that far of a stretch either to stop people talking about how badly solo bombed and back to how bad star wars fans are.

Yet for just this one girl, who launched a thousand rumors because some random person tweeted it, it must be and can only be harassment. Despite her saying nothing of the sort.

White men are the power elite. When they are harrassing the weaker members of society, it's the weaker members of society that I will side with.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Neither do I, but we have many evidences of female media personalities being attacked online by sexist shitbags, thus it seems compeltely feasible that Kelly Tran deleted her accounts because of this.

Note that she didn't temporarily disable her accounts, she deleted everything. That belies the idea that she simply didn't want to accidentally reveal details of episode 9.

Lastly, if ISIS claim responsibility for something they didn't do, it doesn't mean they've never done anything.

So you only care about the females that are harassed? I'd hate to see what people wrote about the kids who played king goeffry or malfoid, or even adults like gabrial or even Eugene (walking dead) harassment of actors for the roles they play is bad mmmkay.

Tom Felton did not get harassed online, except by squealing fangirls trying to ship his character with Harry, Snape, Dumbledore etc.. Jack Gleeson also did not receive harassment for his portrayal of Joffrey.

I'd posit that the reason for the latter is due to the kind of people who organise and perpetrate harassment campaigns against people would actually identify with Joffrey's character.

This kind of harassment is, the vast majority of the time, directed at women.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Neither do I, but we have many evidences of female media personalities being attacked online by sexist shitbags, thus it seems compeltely feasible that Kelly Tran deleted her accounts because of this.

Note that she didn't temporarily disable her accounts, she deleted everything. That belies the idea that she simply didn't want to accidentally reveal details of episode 9.

Lastly, if ISIS claim responsibility for something they didn't do, it doesn't mean they've never done anything.

So you only care about the females that are harassed? I'd hate to see what people wrote about the kids who played king goeffry or malfoid, or even adults like gabrial or even Eugene (walking dead) harassment of actors for the roles they play is bad mmmkay.

Tom Felton did not get harassed online, except by squealing fangirls trying to ship his character with Harry, Snape, Dumbledore etc.. Jack Gleeson also did not receive harassment for his portrayal of Joffrey.

I'd posit that the reason for the latter is due to the kind of people who organise and perpetrate harassment campaigns against people would actually identify with Joffrey's character.

This kind of harassment is, the vast majority of the time, directed at women.

the only harassment campaign I've seen is from the producers, amplified by the media and directed at it's fans. That's a harassment campaign.

I'm still waiting to hear from tran, it's amazing how many people are willing to speak for her without even knowing what she wants said.

I'm glad we got this cleared up though, it's agreed then I created the universe, moving on.

so who thinks han could be rays dad? han find out qira is preggers, goes to eisly for a drink, then skips town with ben & luke.

The Tran thread was closed for a reason.

Yes, there was a thread on this and I locked it because (1) it was essenatially a continuation of the locked TLJ thread and (2) it was a purely speculative non-story about a celebrity receiving some negative attention.

It is certainly off-topic in this thread, about the Solo movie.

 Easy E wrote:
I felt the big reveal at the end was th eworst form of Franchise tie-in nonsense that was superflous and pointless.

I assumed it was setting up a loose anthology connection, like maybe Boba Fett will be working for/against Crimson Dawn in the next (if it's still happening) Star Wars Story film.

Also, it sounds like their are many crime syndicates out there. Does that mean Black Sun is still a thing? A counter to Crimson Dawn?

Black Sun definitely exists in the new canon. Darth Maul cajoled them into joining his crime zaibatsu during the Clone Wars. Black Sun also appears in the X-Wing minis game.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Also sidenote - while the wiki has yet to catch up and so far as I know they've not actually been given a new Proper Capitalised Designation yet, "snowtroopers" seem to be more general "hostile environment troopers" now, as they get deployed to places like post-Death Star blast Jedha in the nuCanon comics.

So Snow Troopers are becoming the Clone Marines then?

Let's not forget Range Troopers:



What exactly is a Range Trooper? Wookiepedia offers basically no info. What does the word "range" refer to? Like, range in the sense of the Old West?

 Easy E wrote:
I felt the big reveal at the end was th eworst form of Franchise tie-in nonsense that was superflous and pointless.

Yeah, I had a similar feeling. When the cameo was revealed I was like, "huh, I guess that is neat."

 Manchu wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I felt the big reveal at the end was th eworst form of Franchise tie-in nonsense that was superflous and pointless.

I assumed it was setting up a loose anthology connection, like maybe Boba Fett will be working for/against Crimson Dawn in the next (if it's still happening) Star Wars Story film.

Also, it sounds like their are many crime syndicates out there. Does that mean Black Sun is still a thing? A counter to Crimson Dawn?

Black Sun definitely exists in the new canon. Darth Maul cajoled them into joining his crime zaibatsu during the Clone Wars. Black Sun also appears in the X-Wing minis game.

Ah, that makes more sense.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Does this thread have to turn into another "I h8 TLJ" slag-fest?

Can't people look at Han Solo on its own merits?

probably, it also seems that everything turns into a fans are bigots slag fest.

Like Yodhrin's opinion

that's why besides the "#NotMyHan" brigade and the tiny minority of actual bigots who think Han having actual feelings for a woman make him "Han Soylo", people who liked the OT and disliked TLJ seem to end up liking Solo, and the reverse.

Because you just can't discuss a movie without assuming the worst about people who don't like the movie.

look at the Rose leaving twitter thread. She never states why she left but everyone runs with the bigot angle. Instead of the more likely answer of she temporarrily disabled her account to prevent herself from spoiling 9. We knew she hadn't been signed last month, but the script should be "done" now, and it's far more likely that her leaving twitter is evidence that she finally signed onto the project and has a part now so had to sign a non disclosure agreement.

The only merits of solo was they went with the lowest common denominator and didn't do anything devisive or insane. Like pulling a highlander, and killing solo and just the guy who killed him pick up his name like it's a title. So it ended up being a enjoyable movie, yet not a must see blockbuster movie, more of a wait til netflix movie. I'm left wonder though, will they do something based on the end of the movie or is it a scene will becoming meaningless like most of the setups from TFA.

I mean, OK, but you seem to have taken completely the opposite point from what I was actually saying there. That's why I specifically used "tiny minority of actual bigots" and "tend to", a formulation of words that leaves plenty of room for non-bigots who aren't motivated entirely by the "Ford is the only Han" sentiment to just not like Solo for whatever other reason, it's merely that from what I've seen they're a minority and when OT fans who disliked TLJ give Solo a shot the large majority seem to enjoy it. Conversely, people who liked TLJ tend(perhaps emphasis will help...) to find Solo less appealing because it's a straightforward, no-nonsense, space-fantasy adventure movie like Star Wars was back in the day and they want something else from the property now.

EDIT: Nevermind. Lets just say I don't like deriding whole groups based on one ludicrously broad category, Killkrazy, and leave it at that.

Vos is definitely some kind of alien. If you notice his skin color changes with his emotions.

You don’t think Solo’s poor performance will stop future Story movies from being released?

No, for the following reasons:

1. All films end up making money because of the very long tail of TV, DVD, NetFlix and so on. Han Solo just won't make as much as it should have.

2. Han Solo only "lost" money because Disney effectively made it twice by changing directors half way through.

3. Anyway, Disney have plenty of money and many successful properties. They can bear this loss and try again.

4. They have to try at least once more, owing to the huge amount of money paid for the Star Wars franchise overall.