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2018/02/15 14:13:09
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Since we're talking about mental health, I can assume the shooter was white?
Probably.
He was currently enrolled in an alternative school at the age of 19. They keep saying he was expelled from the school where the shooting happened, but it's likely expulsion (forget second word of the term), which is removal from the original school following an incident(s) and placement in a school with the facilities to handle emotional disabilities. With him being 19 and still enrolled, that's extremely likely.
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2018/02/15 14:37:53
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Oh look... It is yet another school shooting. What a crazy country...
Maybe they should send American school kids to the frontlines of the Syrian civil war. They'd probably be safer there. This is just sad.
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2018/02/15 14:38:18
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Luciferian wrote: These kids may not watch much mainstream media but of course they know their actions will be extensively covered by it. That has to be part of the motivation. People like this are usually extremely isolated; they either have no one to express themselves to or they don't know how. This is an extremely effective way to get some attention, as horrible as that is.
Since we're talking about mental health, I can assume the shooter was white?
Correct. There has been a concerted effort by certain people on Twitter to point at his name as being Hispanic and trying to claim he was a DACA recipient though, because y'know...reasons.
2018/02/15 15:34:10
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Clearly "no guns for anyone" is off the table, but it seems like there must be a number of strategies or risk mitigation techniques between that and "guns for everyone" that are not being investigated or even discussed.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Clearly "no guns for anyone" is off the table, but it seems like there must be a number of strategies or risk mitigation techniques between that and "guns for everyone" that are not being investigated or even discussed.
How dare you politicize such a tragic event! (Am I doing this right?)
Seriously though, realistic regulations are generally what is discussed but invariably get torched by those screaming BUT THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!!!! Then everyone forgets about it and nothing happens. Except that in the meantime rifle/bump stock/mags/whatever sales jump through the roof.
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2018/02/15 15:48:22
Subject: Re:School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
With the ridiculous US politics ban that's all you can say on the subject. Thoughts and prayers, how sad it is, might as well just lock the thread now since nothing of substance can be said without breaking forum rules.
Thats pretty much it.
This is America's 18th school shooting this year. It's not the first, it's not going to be the worst.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Clearly "no guns for anyone" is off the table, but it seems like there must be a number of strategies or risk mitigation techniques between that and "guns for everyone" that are not being investigated or even discussed.
Maybe we should just give in and give guns to everyone. It is the path of least resistance now.
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2018/02/15 16:27:32
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
djones520 wrote: So it sounds like another break down of the system then anything else. At least we haven't gotten into the bugaboo about guns yet...
Well, you know it's coming.
Spoiler:
Major shooting event happens
condolences to family
questions about shooting
details about shooting
condolences to family
thoughts and prayers
why do americans love guns so much
it's too soon to politicize it, you ghouls
if he's brown, speculate he's a radical muslim & ask if islam is compatible with the west
if he's white, call him a lone wolf and discuss mental health
off topic political stuff
first warning
thoughts and prayers
fake info
hey man, that was fake info
we need to ban guns like Australia
the US is not like Australia
they have way more guns in Finland and this doesn't happen
the US has a violent culture
semantic argument over definition of assault rifle
off topic political stuff
second warning
we need to ban guns
if you banned guns, then people would just use something else
lots of people get killed by bees and hammers
NRA donates money to republicans
off topic political stuff
rudeness
memes
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In the wake of this tragedy, and in spite of the fact that we all know we'll not learn a single other thing from this thread, at least it has caused you to provide us with this post. Thank you, sir. And I mean that most sincerely.
With the ridiculous US politics ban that's all you can say on the subject. Thoughts and prayers, how sad it is, might as well just lock the thread now since nothing of substance can be said without breaking forum rules.
Thats pretty much it.
This is America's 18th school shooting this year. It's not the first, it's not going to be the worst.
Not to downplay the seriousness of the situation or the tragedy in a few of the cases listed below, but I feel we need to put into perspective the "18 school shootings" that has cropped up in this thread a few times:
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A summary :
Twice, someone shot themselves on school grounds; one incident, on January 3, featured a man shooting himself in a former school’s parking lot; on January 10 a teen killed himself in an Arizona elementary school bathroom.
Four times, a bullet was fired through a school or dorm’s window: on January 4, a gunshot was fired at a high school in Seattle through an office window; no one was hurt. On January 10, a shot was fired shattering a California State University classroom window. No injuries were reported. The same day, in Texas, a bullet was accidentally fired through a classroom wall at the Grayson College Criminal Justice Center. No one was injured. On January 15, a bullet traveled through a residential hall’s dorm room. No injuries were reported.
On January 25, a Mobile, Alabama, high school student fired a gun on campus. No one was injured. On January 26, in Dearborn, Michigan, shots were fired from a car in a parking lot; no injuries were reported.
On February 5, in Maplewood, Minnesota, a third-grader pulled the trigger on a cop's gun. No one was injured. On February 8, in New York, a shot was fired inside Metropolitan High School. No one was injured.
Here are the cases where someone was injured other than the shooter:
January 22, Italy, Texas: a teenage girl was wounded by shots from a semi-automatic handgun. The same day, in Gentilly, Louisiana, a 14-year-old boy was injured in a shooting. February 1, Los Angeles, California: five children were injured in an accidental shooting. February 5, Maryland: a teenager was shot and injured outside of a high school.
The fatalities:
January 20, Winston-Salem, North Carolina: A football player was shot and killed. January 23, Benton, Kentucky: Two people were killed and another 15 were shot at Marshall County High School. January 31, a fight broke out at a Pennsylvania high school; a 32-year-old man was shot and later died.
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2018/02/15 17:07:16
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Clearly "no guns for anyone" is off the table, but it seems like there must be a number of strategies or risk mitigation techniques between that and "guns for everyone" that are not being investigated or even discussed.
How dare you politicize such a tragic event! (Am I doing this right?)
Seriously though, realistic regulations are generally what is discussed but invariably get torched by those screaming BUT THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!!!! Then everyone forgets about it and nothing happens. Except that in the meantime rifle/bump stock/mags/whatever sales jump through the roof.
Unless a proposed law would have stopped this kid from getting a gun then further regulation is pointless unless your sole goal is to infringe on civil and human rights.
It is almost certain that him possessing a gun was illegal due to his mental health issues and possibly age, not to mention likely being stolen. IE: no change is necessary because the law was already broken. Making further laws which do nothing only infringes on the rights of innocent people. It doesn't solve any problems.
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Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
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Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
It's when things like this happen that I realize my kids live in an entirely different world than I did when I was in school. Always connected to everyone all the time.
It's not a exactly facepalm moment. That's just how (some) kids relate to the world these days.
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2018/02/15 17:29:26
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
That is the world we live in now, and have for some time. Isn't that how Russia's vacationing soldiers got outed in Ukraine a few years back? Posting gak on social media that allowed GPS tracking to confirm their locations? Not sure why you are surprised at this aspect of the story.
2018/02/15 17:29:47
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
Reminds me of a recent thing i saw about some cosco robbers that smashed and grabbed a bunch of jewlery. the news said everyone was in a panic and running away but in reality there was a ton of people just standing around with their phones out.
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
No, it really doesn't "make you wonder".
Facebook Live(which is likely what they were "putting it on Facebook" with) is a live streaming app; kinda/sorta like Skype. It was likely an attempt by the kids to try to tell their loved ones or friends about a really crummy situation they were put in.
I mean, I don't hear you complaining about the people on the hijacked flights in 2001 calling their friends & family.
2018/02/15 17:38:22
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
No, it really doesn't "make you wonder".
Facebook Live(which is likely what they were "putting it on Facebook" with) is a live streaming app; kinda/sorta like Skype. It was likely an attempt by the kids to try to tell their loved ones or friends about a really crummy situation they were put in.
I mean, I don't hear you complaining about the people on the hijacked flights in 2001 calling their friends & family.
But, but, kids these days, man!
2018/02/15 17:48:12
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
Reminds me of a recent thing i saw about some cosco robbers that smashed and grabbed a bunch of jewlery. the news said everyone was in a panic and running away but in reality there was a ton of people just standing around with their phones out.
that's actually the smart thing to do though, eye witness testimony is the most unreliable, but show the cops the video of the guy so they can see what happened and post his picture to ID the guy. Confronting the robbers could escalate the situation til you or random bystanders get hurt or killed.
2018/02/15 17:55:22
Subject: Re:School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
Reminds me of a recent thing i saw about some cosco robbers that smashed and grabbed a bunch of jewlery. the news said everyone was in a panic and running away but in reality there was a ton of people just standing around with their phones out.
that's actually the smart thing to do though, eye witness testimony is the most unreliable, but show the cops the video of the guy so they can see what happened and post his picture to ID the guy. Confronting the robbers could escalate the situation til you or random bystanders get hurt or killed.
Oh forgot to mention one of the guys was armed. i will need to dredge it up later.
Easy E wrote: I just watched a few of the live feeds from students on social media during the attack. That is some horrifying stuff.
Yeah. And at the same time it makes you really wonder.
''Oh, there is this terrifying life and death situation going on! Better put it on Facebook!"
What would you propose they do while on lockdown with a gunman running around?
I am genuinely curious.
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2018/02/15 19:09:49
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Without wanting to get super political, a white nationalist militia in Tallahassee has now claimed that the shooter "participated in paramilitary drills" with them.
Edit: I don't know why, but I typed "Tennessee" instead of "Tallahassee". Apologies.
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2018/02/15 19:11:51
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Luciferian wrote: These kids may not watch much mainstream media but of course they know their actions will be extensively covered by it. That has to be part of the motivation. People like this are usually extremely isolated; they either have no one to express themselves to or they don't know how. This is an extremely effective way to get some attention, as horrible as that is.
I think this is a bad misconception of how modern communities exist. This kid was likely not isolated at all an there are hundreds of communities that actively encourage this stuff. Closed Facebook groups, subreddits (incels/braincels, conspiracy, the_donald..etc etc), websites, discord, 4chan, 8chan, there are hundreds of places.
Stop by Incels.me and you will see people glorifying this kid to martyr status.
2018/02/15 19:14:24
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Luciferian wrote: These kids may not watch much mainstream media but of course they know their actions will be extensively covered by it. That has to be part of the motivation. People like this are usually extremely isolated; they either have no one to express themselves to or they don't know how. This is an extremely effective way to get some attention, as horrible as that is.
I think this is a bad misconception of how modern communities exist. This kid was likely not isolated at all an there are hundreds of communities that actively encourage this stuff. Closed Facebook groups, subreddits (incels/braincels, conspiracy, the_donald..etc etc), websites, discord, 4chan, 8chan, there are hundreds of places.
Stop by Incels.me and you will see people glorifying this kid to martyr status.
Yeah, nobody is isolated in this ultra-connected world. Some people are isolated from reality, but not from other severely unwell people.
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2018/02/15 19:17:48
Subject: Re:School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
I've seen this guy's Instagram, and he is no tactical genius to say the least. His intelligence is very low and he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to firearms - he talks about putting scopes on shotguns and things like that. Obviously, you don't need training of any sort to shoot defenseless people, though.
He also posted pictures of animals he'd killed, along with the requisite "posing in a bandanna with knives and firearms like you're a badass". He is a person of very low cognitive ability who has behavioral issues.
Luciferian wrote: These kids may not watch much mainstream media but of course they know their actions will be extensively covered by it. That has to be part of the motivation. People like this are usually extremely isolated; they either have no one to express themselves to or they don't know how. This is an extremely effective way to get some attention, as horrible as that is.
I think this is a bad misconception of how modern communities exist. This kid was likely not isolated at all an there are hundreds of communities that actively encourage this stuff. Closed Facebook groups, subreddits (incels/braincels, conspiracy, the_donald..etc etc), websites, discord, 4chan, 8chan, there are hundreds of places.
Stop by Incels.me and you will see people glorifying this kid to martyr status.
That doesn't mean they're not isolated when it comes to real-life relationships and interactions. I mean, obviously they are or they wouldn't be forming communities like that in the first place.
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2018/02/15 19:45:12
Subject: School shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL
Kanluwen wrote: Without wanting to get super political, a white nationalist militia in Tennessee has now claimed that the shooter "participated in paramilitary drills" with them.
I have my doubts about that claim since the kid was hispanic.
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