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Where can i post qeustions about epic armagedon? its about unit composition.

 skeleton wrote:
Where can i post qeustions about epic armagedon? its about unit composition.

This subforum is the right place. What's bothering you?

Thanks, i already have my answer. the quistion was how manny missle launcher would be in a tactical unit space marines.
In the past i did moddeld them with 3 missle launcher per unit. but it seems to be 6 launchers per unit of tactical marines.

 skeleton wrote:
Thanks, i already have my answer. the quistion was how manny missle launcher would be in a tactical unit space marines.
In the past i did moddeld them with 3 missle launcher per unit. but it seems to be 6 launchers per unit of tactical marines.

In E:A, the modeling does not matter. You get a tactical marine formation, which in Codex Marines means six units (bases) of tacticals, that are most often modelled as five marines per unit. Many players like to put a single heavy weapon model per unit in there, but some have more and some have none. Ruleswise this makes no difference. Usually people put more heavy weapons per unit on bases that represent Devastators.

I have 2 missle launcher per stand for devestators,

maybe you can help me im searching for twinlinked lascannon razorbacks.

I only have the rulebook and the swordwind expansion but do marinse have only one war engine? not counting the titans.

2 missile launchers per stand is a perfect amount for Devestators, in fact that was the 'standard' proposed by GW for many years in the first editions of the game, so you will see in all of the old White Dwarf battle reports etc.

Razorbacks are a tricky one. You don't see them for sale very often and when you do they are very expensive (£15 for 1 6mm tank? I don't think so!) I would first look at some of the proxy options available, there are a few. Miniwars is a really great site, you can search for any faction or unit type and it will display different proxy or 3rd-party options available: https://miniwars.co.uk/epic-40k/miniatures/space-marines/razorback/ In this case both Vanguard Miniatures and Trolls Under the Bridge do a really similar proxy that will be a lot cheaper.
If you really want the GW original you could try joining a few Epic Facebook groups - 'Epic Space Marine 40K Middlehammer' (which is the most popular Epic FB group) or 'Epic 30k 40k 6mm - Buy Swap and Sell - Also Titanicus & Aeronautica' - you can try your luck and ask for the mini on there, sometimes a kind soul will help you out.

For Epic Armageddon War Engines for Space Marines I don't think they have many to choose from. If you want an online resource for the original rule books check out the Net Armageddon rule resources https://www.net-armageddon.org/army-lists.html or the Epic UK resource http://epic-uk.co.uk/wp/ These are tournament-ready rulesets which have had some expansions (for example, many of the major Chapters now have their own lists) - they have all been heavily playtested so are well balanced are I think universally accepted by Epic groups.
Checking these though it only looks like there are the Titan options available (maybe someone with a bit more Armageddon knowledge than me can help out here and point out any others!)

Yeah, Marines don't have much in the way of war engines. Thunderhawks are pretty much it.

There are 30k lists full of Fellblades, Falchions, Spartans and the like, but not in the original 40k publications.

Didn’t the original armylist also include that orbital lander model?

Landing Craft, yes, which is essentially a bigger Thunderhawk if you want to put all of your eggs in one painful basket. No big tanks or other funky super heavies for the marines, who embody the mobile scalpel strike way of war.

Thank you all for the info.

 skeleton wrote:
Thanks, i already have my answer. the quistion was how manny missle launcher would be in a tactical unit space marines.
In the past i did moddeld them with 3 missle launcher per unit. but it seems to be 6 launchers per unit of tactical marines.

I model mine...

Tacticals
Battle company - Mk7 plastic marine, one stand missile luancher, one stand sarge.
Reserve comapny - MK6 plastic marine, 1 stand missile launcher, 1 stand sarge

Devestators
Battle company - Mk7 plastic marine, one stand 2 missile launchers, one stand 2 missile launchers & sarge.
Reserve comapny - MK6 plastic marine, one stand 2 missile launchers, one stand 2 missile launchers & sarge.

I have seen people done sarge + 4 missile launchers and one stand 5 normal marines to match 40k, but I think it doesn't look that hot. Likewise a for tacticals put the missile launcher and sarge on same stand but again not that good.

when do you use your ff?
You use you ff only if you do an assault move and if you get pulled into an assault.
And you dont use it when the enemy come's with in 15cm.

i have the old blastmarkers from epic 40k but they are beaten up and im searching for replacements, what do you use as blastmarkers.
dice i dont like because they to big i thingk.

FF values are used in Engagements (assaults) when you are within 15 cm but not in base contact with the enemy units. CC values are used when in base contact.

For blast markers, many use old GW markers from Epics or BFG, print or model little explosions, glass beads and what not. I have a bag of cardboard markers from the latest 40k Apocalypse box, but would like to someday make a pile of small explosions as well.

I did find a stl file on thingsverse, i printed them with a transparend red. Looking good

Updated with details of Zedmeister's extremely useful Epic resource, which gives full details of all the versions of Epic, their expansions and even individual White Dwarf content listings: https://zedmeister.co.uk/zms.php?ch=7

Any chanse this thread could get a sticky to the top of the page so it dont go to page 2 and basicly vanishes from time.

OP should prolly allso make a sentence or two about the main difference between this system and the official 30k epic, seeing that they will be two different systems but using the same game name.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Any chanse this thread could get a sticky to the top of the page so it dont go to page 2 and basicly vanishes from time.

OP should prolly allso make a sentence or two about the main difference between this system and the official 30k epic, seeing that they will be two different systems but using the same game name.

Er, there's already 4 Epic editions with different rules ^^. Legions Imperialis will simply be the fifth ^^

Hey guys - will wait to see how the dust settles with Imperialis Legionis (possibly as soon as the game goes on sale, or at least when we have something more concrete) before updating this guide.

Hey folks - does anyone have a new link for Heresy AU? The original looks to be down.

 Pacific wrote:
Hey folks - does anyone have a new link for Heresy AU? The original looks to be down.

EpicAU basically dropped their development project at the end of 2020, which led to the server death of their wiki. The information is still accessible through the Wayback Machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201112013556/http://epicau.com/mw/index.php/Legion_Astartes

PDF's can also be found in the Epic 30k Facebook group.

Excellent, thank you mate! OP updated.

OP updated with this great video on the history of Epic, by Snipe & Wib

So perhaps lost in the shufle, I was looking at the chart in the op and it mentions epic Armageddon having alternating activations, are the other editions turn based then?

In Epic 40k the movement phase is IGOUGO (one side moves, then the other moves), but the rest of the phases are alternating activation, starting by initiative.

Interestingly, Epic Space Marine 2nd edition and Titan Legions had IGOUGO for movement and then alternating fire during the combat phases.
But, the community version, NetEpic, introduced alternating movement as well.

I am kind of on the fence about it. The IGOUGO in Epic 2nd was such a massive advantage if you won the initiative and then moved second ("oh, you surrounded by titan with combat units? I'm just going to step through them now" or you could position things on advance to shoot down victorious melee units), but it also sped up the game a lot. So if you were playing mega battles of 6-8000pts or more, I probably still prefer the original rules just to try and get the game finished in a reasonable period of time, even though it does make the game more swingy.

Well AT is super swingy, a lot of it on account of a lot of things coming down to who has the initiative. You also get the tail end problem with alternating activation, being that it's not really alternating as the disparity in activations grow, you get a big tail of of consecutive activations on one side in AT. I could be wrong but I though some edition of epic had some sort of limit on overall activations per side/phase but i could be mistaken.

A mod we only playtested twice from E:A was inspired by the kill team 'overwatch' rule. It was meant to try and help out armies that were out activated as otherwise it drives a lot of army creation.

Had a load of discussion about different options, from a reactive move, to shooting to ultimately a very watered down idea about getting blast markers from units you were operating near. This was scaled back and back and ended up after one army has activated or passed with its last detachment:

In playtest 1, any enemy detachment that wanted to activate within effective range (i.e. in range of a weapon that can fire, so no used up one shot weapons or broken units, and had to have LOS) of the enemy that had activated its last formation received a blast marker and then tried to activate.
Through bad luck this had a surprising impact and also was thought to be another boost to the player that went first as even equal numbers of formations would result in a small unintended boost for them at the end of the round. Discussed moving the blast marker to after movement so it would only affect shooting/CC but still stung about after game 1, went with...

In playtest 2 this was modified to after a formation had activated. So it has moved, shot, etc. This gave a chance to ambush the enemy and wipe them out/break them, and not suffer ay problems. You also got a chance to clear the blast marker in the end phase.

This didn't make that much difference so ended up feeling symbolic. Sadly at that point EA games died off and I haven't played since!

I know the N&R thread is more active, but it tends to go astray and my question is more suited for here:

Although I’m excited about LI, I’m more interested in skewing it more toward the Epic 40k era. The tanks for LI are great, but I’m looking for Imperial Guard (or I guess not-IG or whatever faux Latin they go by now). I don’t have a 3D printer. I currently own nothing for Epic. LI will be my first purchase at that scale (but I’ve been around 40k since Rogue Trader).

I guess the key insight I’m looking for from all you Epic vets is this: with this new 8mm infantry scale, should someone like me wait for the 3rd party market to start cranking out not-Cadians? Or would the current 6mm not-cadians look good next to 8mm marines? Or are they just going to upscale their 6mm to 8mm?

Any guidance would be appreciated, even if it’s, “we’ll have to see, so wait for now.”

 Fugazi wrote:
I know the N&R thread is more active, but it tends to go astray and my question is more suited for here:

Although I’m excited about LI, I’m more interested in skewing it more toward the Epic 40k era. The tanks for LI are great, but I’m looking for Imperial Guard (or I guess not-IG or whatever faux Latin they go by now). I don’t have a 3D printer. I currently own nothing for Epic. LI will be my first purchase at that scale (but I’ve been around 40k since Rogue Trader).

I guess the key insight I’m looking for from all you Epic vets is this: with this new 8mm infantry scale, should someone like me wait for the 3rd party market to start cranking out not-Cadians? Or would the current 6mm not-cadians look good next to 8mm marines? Or are they just going to upscale their 6mm to 8mm?

Any guidance would be appreciated, even if it’s, “we’ll have to see, so wait for now.”

Vanguard Miniatures should have you covered here. Their 6mm range is closer to 7mm / 7.5mm.

Yes from what we have seen of the people calculating scale of the new miniatures (using known scales of titan bases in the photos and calculating using geometry based off of that, you've got to love the internet community sometimes!) I would say the Vanguard miniatures range will be closer to the new LI range than they are to classic GW Epic (at the risk of starting a war, closer to 8mm than 6mm).

The caveat to that is that metal often gives a finer detail and finer parts than plastic casting, so the new LI imperial army may be bulkier - this is mitigated a bit by them being Solar Auxiliaries wearing heavier armour, so you can explain it that way. And also as a more general point - and I say this after playing many years of Epic on the tabletop with lots of different official minis, 3d prints, 3rd party sculpts. Unless you have miniatures of different scale on the same base, a few mm in height is *not* noticeable at arms length on the tabletop. I say this as someone who has 20/20 vision, and got my eyes tested a few weeks ago

I would have a look at Vanguard as they do proxies of most of the Imperial Guard regiment types: Cadian, jungle fighters, nuclear waste, seige troops etc. I think the Urban troops are the ones which look like a generic sci-fi infantry guy (Cadians).
https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/product-category/defeat-in-detail-6mm/novan-commonwealth/novan-regulars-troops/
Another thing to consider is that Vanguard tend to be very careful around GW copyright, so some of their stuff will look like a Rhino, a Leman Russ etc. but it won't look exactly like it. I know that is a deal breaker for some, personally I like it as it adds a bit of variety, and TBH most of the Imperial stuff looks like a toy version of 1920s/30s tanks anyway!

For 3D print minis, if you are buying them from Etsy or another printer, the scale can very much vary depending on the design and who is printing it. I have noticed a few have started pushing 10mm now as you can fit more detail on the prints that way (and some of the designs now are ridiculously detailed, probably too much for Epic) so you would need to find one that specifies that they can print at around 7-8mm for a standard height.