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 Galas wrote:
Ok, those look official.

Sooo... the 4chan rumour of 0-3 for any given unit is... real?

Finding the font GW uses and filling a text box with it isn't hard.

Finally some good news for Grey Knights (I think)!

Coming from 4chan.



Grey Knight Paladins are now 50 points, down from like 60.
(Grandmaster?) Nemesis Dreadknight is now (down to?) 210 points.
Purifiers look to be 28 points each, I think they were 29 before.

Looks like there are some points changes in the FAQ, but we've seen that sort of thing before (for example, there were points changes in Index Xenos 2 FAQ):



Thoughts?

 Ordana wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Ok, those look official.

Sooo... the 4chan rumour of 0-3 for any given unit is... real?

Finding the font GW uses and filling a text box with it isn't hard.

You could absolutely be right, and they are just trolling us. But thats the price we pay for rumours, isn't it?

 Galas wrote:
Ok, those look official.

Sooo... the 4chan rumour of 0-3 for any given unit is... real?

Note that the rumours might not be from the same people. The FAQ screenshots might be real and the 0-3 thing false, for example.

It's sort of like saying "Sooo... the dakkadakka rumour of 10 point guardsmen is... real?" if there's another very plausible rumour on dakkadakka.

But it could be real :O

My codex shows they are now 26 points and then a 2 point stormbolter, so the looks like it is either rolling the storm bolter into the price or they are increasing it by 2 points

Freezerassasin wrote:
My codex shows they are now 26 points and then a 2 point stormbolter, so the looks like it is either rolling the storm bolter into the price or they are increasing it by 2 points

To roll in the weapon would require an explicit listing of that (like named characters are in a special section with (Wargear included)). So if its real its a point increase.

 Ordana wrote:

Freezerassasin wrote:
My codex shows they are now 26 points and then a 2 point stormbolter, so the looks like it is either rolling the storm bolter into the price or they are increasing it by 2 points

To roll in the weapon would require an explicit listing of that (like named characters are in a special section with (Wargear included)). So if its real its a point increase.

I was more going for them adding the 2 points to the purifier and maybe making the storm bolter free, but the increase is the most likely outcome.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Ok, those look official.

Sooo... the 4chan rumour of 0-3 for any given unit is... real?

Note that the rumours might not be from the same people. The FAQ screenshots might be real and the 0-3 thing false, for example.

It's sort of like saying "Sooo... the dakkadakka rumour of 10 point guardsmen is... real?" if there's another very plausible rumour on dakkadakka.

But it could be real :O

0-3 for any given unit... may be a nice change. It won't really effect troops much, other than spamming min units of guardsmen/cultists/whatever other cheap ass units ya want. Will cut down on MSU, and heavy spam of a single unit. Will definitely be.... interesting.... to see how it effects army compositions.

Freezerassasin wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

Freezerassasin wrote:
My codex shows they are now 26 points and then a 2 point stormbolter, so the looks like it is either rolling the storm bolter into the price or they are increasing it by 2 points

To roll in the weapon would require an explicit listing of that (like named characters are in a special section with (Wargear included)). So if its real its a point increase.

I was more going for them adding the 2 points to the purifier and maybe making the storm bolter free, but the increase is the most likely outcome.

I don't see the Stormbolter becoming free because it's still a pintle-mount option for GK vehicles. Making vehicle upgrades zero points with no trade-offs doesn't seem their style.

Freezerassasin wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

Freezerassasin wrote:
My codex shows they are now 26 points and then a 2 point stormbolter, so the looks like it is either rolling the storm bolter into the price or they are increasing it by 2 points

To roll in the weapon would require an explicit listing of that (like named characters are in a special section with (Wargear included)). So if its real its a point increase.

I was more going for them adding the 2 points to the purifier and maybe making the storm bolter free, but the increase is the most likely outcome.

Which would make no sense since other units have access to the SB. My bet is someone trying to troll GK players upset about the Purifier rumor.

 Zid wrote:
0-3 for any given unit... may be a nice change. It won't really effect troops much, other than spamming min units of guardsmen/cultists/whatever other cheap ass units ya want. Will cut down on MSU, and heavy spam of a single unit. Will definitely be.... interesting.... to see how it effects army compositions.

Spamming Min Units of Guardsmen? Isn't that the same thing as Spamming Max Units of Guardsmen? Isn't that the entire purpose of Units of Guardsmen?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Let's all hope these changes, and this one specifically, are fake.

Because if GW is nerfing GK of all people, then we're all destined for the garbage bin.

Well, they doubled the range, but cut the damage in half-ish. It really depends what else accompanies that change.

They doubled the fething range, really man? It is a nerf in every sense of the word still, because no one in their right mind would take Purifiers before and if the points cost went UP no one in their fething right mind will.

It went from D6 mortal wounds to 2. It fething insulting.

Yup, according to my Codex Purifiers were 26 points base so the range upgrade /damage downgrade was worth 2 more points. I don't know if I'm more disgusted or just infuriated. I wish I had a gauntlet to throw at the GW people who wrote that adjustment. I'm pretty sure they are insulting my intelligence.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Yup, according to my Codex Purifiers were 26 points base so the range upgrade /damage downgrade was worth 2 more points. I don't know if I'm more disgusted or just infuriated. I wish I had a gauntlet to throw at the GW people who wrote that adjustment. I'm pretty sure they are insulting my intelligence.

Before you get mad at GW lets wait for some actual confirmation that these are real.

 Ordana wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Yup, according to my Codex Purifiers were 26 points base so the range upgrade /damage downgrade was worth 2 more points. I don't know if I'm more disgusted or just infuriated. I wish I had a gauntlet to throw at the GW people who wrote that adjustment. I'm pretty sure they are insulting my intelligence.

Before you get mad at GW lets wait for some actual confirmation that these are real.

No way! Rage! Rage on and cry tears of salt!

While I am a bit nervous to what the FAQ brings, it really doesn't matter in the long run if you play a balanced army.

 Quickjager wrote:


They doubled the fething range, really man? It is a nerf in every sense of the word still, because no one in their right mind would take Purifiers before and if the points cost went UP no one in their fething right mind will.

It went from D6 mortal wounds to 2. It fething insulting.

Objectively is it not 'a nerf in every sense of the word'.

Paying for a 600+ points so that you could, once per game (before dying horribly), get within 3" and do 75% more damage - IF you cast the spell and IF you weren't denied was never a viable plan.

At least with this setup they have some flexibility. Under half the damage for twice the range should mean potentially more opportunities to use it.

Now IF the smite rule is as is for GK AND they go up in points all bets are off.

There is no opportunity to use it because Purifiers are not on the board to begin with.


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Crowe was the only Purifier to see the board and he objectively is bad, but the smite saw play with him because he was a character.

 Quickjager wrote:
There is no opportunity to use it because Purifiers are not on the board to begin with.


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Crowe was the only Purifier to see the board and he objectively is bad, but the smite saw play with him because he was a character.

For sure - they're stupid points for what they do. I just see some potential light at the end of the tunnel if they sorted the other areas, too.

 Zid wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Ok, those look official.

Sooo... the 4chan rumour of 0-3 for any given unit is... real?

Note that the rumours might not be from the same people. The FAQ screenshots might be real and the 0-3 thing false, for example.

It's sort of like saying "Sooo... the dakkadakka rumour of 10 point guardsmen is... real?" if there's another very plausible rumour on dakkadakka.

But it could be real :O

0-3 for any given unit... may be a nice change. It won't really effect troops much, other than spamming min units of guardsmen/cultists/whatever other cheap ass units ya want. Will cut down on MSU, and heavy spam of a single unit. Will definitely be.... interesting.... to see how it effects army compositions.

What it will change for army compositions is 'did you play an army that only really had 1 really good unit in the entire book like grey knights, Dark Angels, Sisters of Battle, or Space Marines? Well burn your army and then kill yourself because if you thought Tyranids, Guard, and Eldar were powerful when it was their best unit vs your best unit, wait until it becomes a match of their second best unit against whatever overpriced nonsense is left after your one broken gets comped! Even better, the change doesn't affect Alpha legion Cultists at all! So that list stays exactly as powerful while you're stuck trotting around 20-40% overpriced garbage!

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

0-3 is going to screw over a lot of armies with low troops choices, like Dark Eldar or Necrons

It also completely guts mono god daemons.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
0-3 is going to screw over a lot of armies with low troops choices, like Dark Eldar or Necrons

It'd kill tomb blade spam before it gets off the ground, I guess. Necrons have a wide enough variety of good units that I'm pretty sure you can build a great no-troops list even with this restriction, though.

There are other armies that are gutted pretty badly by the restriction for sure, but I don't think Necrons are one of them.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
0-3 is going to screw over a lot of armies with low troops choices, like Dark Eldar or Necrons

It'd kill tomb blade spam before it gets off the ground, I guess. Necrons have a wide enough variety of good units that I'm pretty sure you can build a great no-troops list even with this restriction, though.

There are other armies that are gutted pretty badly by the restriction for sure, but I don't think Necrons are one of them.

The codexes that are currently top tier(and soup) are going to get a massive boost from this and the codexes that are mid-tier down might as well not even exist after.

ERJAK wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
0-3 is going to screw over a lot of armies with low troops choices, like Dark Eldar or Necrons

It'd kill tomb blade spam before it gets off the ground, I guess. Necrons have a wide enough variety of good units that I'm pretty sure you can build a great no-troops list even with this restriction, though.

There are other armies that are gutted pretty badly by the restriction for sure, but I don't think Necrons are one of them.

The codexes that are currently top tier(and soup) are going to get a massive boost from this and the codexes that are mid-tier down might as well not even exist after.

What exactly is this rule change?

Sweetcurse wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
0-3 is going to screw over a lot of armies with low troops choices, like Dark Eldar or Necrons

It'd kill tomb blade spam before it gets off the ground, I guess. Necrons have a wide enough variety of good units that I'm pretty sure you can build a great no-troops list even with this restriction, though.

There are other armies that are gutted pretty badly by the restriction for sure, but I don't think Necrons are one of them.

The codexes that are currently top tier(and soup) are going to get a massive boost from this and the codexes that are mid-tier down might as well not even exist after.

What exactly is this rule change?

0-3 of any non-troop unit max per army.

Basically 'that's okay, I didn't even want to win against guard or chaos ever again anyway.'

Some high level competitive 40k players, one of which is a play tester, hinted at the FAQ being a possibility over the weekend, and revealed lists they're playing on Sunday.

Surprise, no more than 3 of any non troop unit.

Oh the 0-3 doesn't apply to troops? Fair enough. Since it's per detachment I assume?

Appears to be army wide. 3 total Daemon princes on the Chaos side, across two detachments. It could just be a coincidence, but it's there all the same.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Oh the 0-3 doesn't apply to troops? Fair enough. Since it's per detachment I assume?

Why would you assume that? I think the 0-3 limit is per army total. It's questionable how this will apply to transports and to squadrons, but I'm mostly happy with this limitation. I assume squadrons will still count as 1 unit, and transports will be limited. Very few lists that weren't trying to abuse the gak out of spamming overpowered units will be effected. And fluffy lists like white scar bikers can still take 3 large squads of them. And guard armored companies can still take most of their vehicles in squadrons to circumvent this.