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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
If not, then more diverse Sisters can ABSOLUTELY be a thing.

Yeah, we could change the Sisters of Battle into a blank canvas faction, sure. Then you'd have two blank canvas to chose from every time. “Do I want the male blank canvas or the female blank canvas?”.
Or we could allows female space marines, and then people would just be “How do I fill the blank canvas that allows for all male factions, all female factions, or mixed factions, like a good blank canvas should”.
I like the second one better.

I would love Sisters to get a bit more diversity between orders, yeah, just like there is diversity between different craftworlds, klans, hive fleets, etc. But not to the point of being a blank state army.


Of course I think your solution is better than nothing but I still like mine more ^^.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Marines are a blank state. They have some Priest category that is going to be filled by whatever kind of Priest is relevant to the kind of marines you want to make. A "mongol golden horde" style chapter is going to have shamanistic priests, that can just as well be women.

Remember how Iron Hands replaced Chaplains with Iron Fathers, that are techmarines that focus on the Machine God?
Marines are a blank state army that is just there to receive some identity. For White Scars it's the Golden Horde Mongols. For Blood Angels it's Renaissance Italians Vampire Angels. For Dark Angels it's Paranoid Monks. For Iron Hands it's Machine Obsessed. All of those chapters will receive a kind of priest fitting to that theme. Only the Dark Angels have some thematic reason for being all male.

I can't wait until the Sisters get their own models so these types of posts can finally stop.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
If not, then more diverse Sisters can ABSOLUTELY be a thing.

Yeah, we could change the Sisters of Battle into a blank canvas faction, sure. Then you'd have two blank canvas to chose from every time. “Do I want the male blank canvas or the female blank canvas?”.
Or we could allows female space marines, and then people would just be “How do I fill the blank canvas that allows for all male factions, all female factions, or mixed factions, like a good blank canvas should”.
I like the second one better.

However, as far as the Imperium goes, that would be absolutely possible for this.

Space Marines - Male Blank Canvas
Sisters of Battle - Female Blank Canvas
Astra Militarum/Tempestus Scions/Custodes (because they REALLY should be mixed) - Mixed Blank Canvas

No faction's genders are retconned, only expanded upon (except Custodes, but their lore is more recent and less entrenched, a la Knights).

I would love Sisters to get a bit more diversity between orders, yeah, just like there is diversity between different craftworlds, klans, hive fleets, etc. But not to the point of being a blank state army.


Of course I think your solution is better than nothing but I still like mine more ^^.

That's fair enough. Again, I prefer my solution, but compromise is the only thing we can expect to get out of this.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
However, as far as the Imperium goes, that would be absolutely possible for this.

Space Marines - Male Blank Canvas
Sisters of Battle - Female Blank Canvas
Astra Militarum/Tempestus Scions/Custodes (because they REALLY should be mixed) - Mixed Blank Canvas

That seems like a whole lot of blank canvas, which makes me afraid that I didn't make myself clear about what I consider a blank canvas . It's more than “There are slight variation on the basic concept” like there are with CWE, it's really when it's some very open base used to create flavorful armies, but that's not that flavorful by itself.
That would lead to some severe saturation if we get multiple marines codex, multiple Sisters of Battle codex, and multiple Imperial Guard codex, no?
Also I really, really don't see the point in expanding the Custodes into yet another a blank canvas on top of it .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
However, as far as the Imperium goes, that would be absolutely possible for this.

Space Marines - Male Blank Canvas
Sisters of Battle - Female Blank Canvas
Astra Militarum/Tempestus Scions/Custodes (because they REALLY should be mixed) - Mixed Blank Canvas

That seems like a whole lot of blank canvas, which makes me afraid that I didn't make myself clear about what I consider a blank canvas . It's more than “There are slight variation on the basic concept” like there are with CWE, it's really when it's some very open base used to create flavorful armies, but that's not that flavorful by itself.
That would lead to some severe saturation if we get multiple marines codex, multiple Sisters of Battle codex, and multiple Imperial Guard codex, no?
Also I really, really don't see the point in expanding the Custodes into yet another a blank canvas on top of it .

That's assuming there is a need to have so many Codices. I'm all for consolidating the Angels chapters into the main codex for example.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Honestly, after multiple threadstorms on the subject, by now there's a pretty snarky part of me that thinks the majority of people who want female space marines just like the arguments it produces, rather than a burning need for it to be an inclusion in the fiction.

this, immensely this. despite what my redacted post would lead a certain person to think

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
If Cawl found a way to make Marines female, I'd accept that. Again, I won't go into whether it SHOULD be changed, but if that's how it was done, I could work with that.

Considering that the biological differences between men and women are miniscule compared to the biological differences between human and space marine, there's never been a good in-universe argument as to why space marines have to be men. When the end result is basically unrecognisable from the starting point would those relatively small biological differences actually matter? I mean, think about it, with our current medical knowledge and capabilities we can perform transplantation, we can harvest stem cells which can become pretty much any cell in the human body in the correct conditions, we can physically transition a biological man into a woman and vice versa (with only lack of reproductive capacity after transition as the real biological obstacle which, in the case of infertile post-transformation space marines, is not an issue).

I reckon the Emperor was just sexist.

He was made from 500 prehistoric shamans. He would be probably a bit sexist.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Honestly, after multiple threadstorms on the subject, by now there's a pretty snarky part of me that thinks the majority of people who want female space marines just like the arguments it produces, rather than a burning need for it to be an inclusion in the fiction.

As one who would like to see marines being able to be based on women, how am I to respond to this? Baisicly your argument is 'This standpoint is so far removed from my own world view or opinion that it can not be true.'. There is no defence against this where you can not simply say 'That just confirm's what I said.' Not to take into account how dishonest it is to say 'You are lying, so I am not gonne consider your argument'. That means you are projecting intent onto the othern person arguing, that is very arogant.

I realise this is the internett, but I stil expect better.

I am one of them that would like space marines being able to be based on females. In fact I would like to see more female models (inclduing space marines in particurlar.) I have TK and Nids, they are for the most part gender neutral (Tomb Kings even have the tomb queen model.) I have dark eldar and they are quite gender diverse with male heads in the wytches kits, and female heads in the cabal kits. I also have SW that I had in 5th edition. I have yet to find any good heads that look SW to me so I can do some head swaps on them. If I pick them up later again in 8th edition I might look into it, there are more 3rd party companies after the chapterhouse lawsuit.

That being said, I am converting up some female models. My green stuff skills are very bad, but in making some allies for my tyranids I wanted to have 2 primuses. That was a very good opertunaty to get some females. I am not greenstuffing 5 point models, but a kick ass character? Hell yeah.

Female models in general, yes please. Space marines being compatable with females in the fluff in particular. A thousan times yes.

There. A better picture.

Anyway, I do not know how to defend against "Everything you say is a lie." When you do not belive me because you know what I am thinking better then the words that I use to say I am thinking, the basis for having a conversation is pretty much gone.

Three posts in a row? There's an edit function you know...

Yeah I know. To upload the photo I need to post from the phone. And dakka on the phone gets some fits as the text lines go over the button you need to press to upload and post the post. Perhaps there is a dakka app that I do not know about? But editing them now would stil leave 2 emty posts with the signature in it si it does not take up less space.

And now we have 2 more posts about how much space the other posts take. ^_^

 Niiai wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Honestly, after multiple threadstorms on the subject, by now there's a pretty snarky part of me that thinks the majority of people who want female space marines just like the arguments it produces, rather than a burning need for it to be an inclusion in the fiction.

As one who would like to see marines being able to be based on women, how am I to respond to this? Baisicly your argument is 'This standpoint is so far removed from my own world view or opinion that it can not be true.'. There is no defence against this where you can not simply say 'That just confirm's what I said.' Not to take into account how dishonest it is to say 'You are lying, so I am not gonne consider your argument'. That means you are projecting intent onto the othern person arguing, that is very arogant.

I realise this is the internett, but I stil expect better.

I am one of them that would like space marines being able to be based on females. In fact I would like to see more female models (inclduing space marines in particurlar.) I have TK and Nids, they are for the most part gender neutral (Tomb Kings even have the tomb queen model.) I have dark eldar and they are quite gender diverse with male heads in the wytches kits, and female heads in the cabal kits. I also have SW that I had in 5th edition. I have yet to find any good heads that look SW to me so I can do some head swaps on them. If I pick them up later again in 8th edition I might look into it, there are more 3rd party companies after the chapterhouse lawsuit.

That being said, I am converting up some female models. My green stuff skills are very bad, but in making some allies for my tyranids I wanted to have 2 primuses. That was a very good opertunaty to get some females. I am not greenstuffing 5 point models, but a kick ass character? Hell yeah.

Your out of proportion, conjecture riven reply has proven his point quite well, all he was saying was that he didnt trust that some of the people wanting this, are being honest, and are just doing it to troll, then you come along and have this non sensical post.

You are the one projecting, injecting meaning and intent based on your emotional responses and you have displayed massive amounts of arrogance throughout this thread acting as "gatekeeper" of what is allowed in lore or not, what is "allowed" as a response to debunk your weak attempts to get others to conform to your beliefs and aims, at this point you really should just walk away.

I think we have had a quite good discussion. The theme has stil been relewant to the topic, as the topic was the aluding that SW might get female SM based on the Ashes of Prospero. We are 9 pages in. The tone of the post is very civil. Usualy these threads explode within 24 hours of creation and a moderator must shut it down. This has not happened and I think that is a great testament to all the people that have comented in this thread.

I who have no problems with space marines based upon females actually feel I have learned a lot from all the objections. There is a scientific/philesophical disepline (I have no idea what category it belongs to) called apologetics. This usually a collection of common explenations for or against something. My list of female space marine apolagetics has grown significantly. Hopefully the others in the thread are learning something as well.

Some apolagetics are better then others. For instance 'It is not currently in the setting' is the best argument against space marines based upon females. In my opponion it is not a good argument as we have seen several revisions of the setting form GW to the setting so far, but it is by far the strongest argument.

The argument space marines shall represent the male angels in paradise lost is a much weaker argument. First we do not know if it is based upon paradise lost. Secondly as someone pointed out, the angels in paradise lost are both female and male, sometimes even at the same time.

We have also learned that somebody has problems to seperate the idea that space marines can be based upon females, and the fact that space marines can not make babies. I am learning so much in this thread, and it tells me so much of the sosioculture background of my fellow players. Some studies in psycology point to peoole asume fellow players share the same opinion that they hold. Clearly this is not the case here.

I do not claim to be the gate keeper. But when I see an argument that i do not think hold water like to engage with it to see if I am just wrong about it. When they claim their argument is good they are doing the same.

I will admitt to being very vocal in the thread. But there are others chiming in as well, on both sides of the argument. I do not think I will persuade anybody to my side, as others know they will not sway someone to their side. We are all our own gatekepers for our own opinions, are we not?

If I have turned into Grahams Starks alter ego I must deeply apolegise. But you can keep your male SM while I have my female SM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2aqt_BUV0

And speaking of gatekeepering, it sure looks a lot like one side is saying 'We want space marines that can be based upon females.' and the other side says 'That is impossible!'.

 Niiai wrote:
I think we have had a quite good discussion. The theme has stil been relewant to the topic, as the topic was the aluding that SW might get female SM based on the Ashes of Prospero. We are 9 pages in. The tone of the post is very civil. Usualy these threads explode within 24 hours of creation and a moderator must shut it down. This has not happened and I think that is a great testament to all the people that have comented in this thread.

I who have no problems with space marines based upon females actually feel I have learned a lot from all the objections. There is a scientific/philesophical disepline (I have no idea what category it belongs to) called apologetics. This usually a collection of common explenations for or against something. My list of female space marine apolagetics has grown significantly. Hopefully the others in the thread are learning something as well.

1: Some apolagetics are better then others. For instance 'It is not currently in the setting' is the best argument against space marines based upon females. In my opponion it is not a good argument as we have seen several revisions of the setting form GW to the setting so far, but it is by far the strongest argument.

2: The argument space marines shall represent the male angels in paradise lost is a much weaker argument. First we do not know if it is based upon paradise lost. Secondly as someone pointed out, the angels in paradise lost are both female and male, sometimes even at the same time.

3: We have also learned that somebody has problems to seperate the idea that space marines can be based upon females, and the fact that space marines can not make babies. I am learning so much in this thread, and it tells me so much of the sosioculture background of my fellow players. Some studies in psycology point to peoole asume fellow players share the same opinion that they hold. Clearly this is not the case here.

4: I do not claim to be the gate keeper. But when I see an argument that i do not think hold water like to engage with it to see if I am just wrong about it. When they claim their argument is good they are doing the same.

5: I will admitt to being very vocal in the thread. But there are others chiming in as well, on both sides of the argument. I do not think I will persuade anybody to my side, as others know they will not sway someone to their side. We are all our own gatekepers for our own opinions, are we not?

If I have turned into Grahams Starks alter ego I must deeply apolegise. But you can keep your male SM while I have my female SM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU2aqt_BUV0

See you cant help yourself can you....

1: this was debunked almost instantly and you still havent given a reasonable response to if you can change X, then why cant you change Y, space marines cannot be woman, why should that be changed?

2: I have no opinion on this.

3: Wrong, you have in this such a massive hole in your argument that you refuse to accept it, if you change the lore to allow female marines, then you must take into account that the in universe forces would try to take advantage of this, I have given you several in universe examples of how this would occur, and an example of it occuring before, the rest of your comment is pure distraction and more weak attempts to detract your opponents in the discussion, this is nothing to do with psychology or any of that other crap you have posted, answer the question or admit you are wrong and concede that this is a valid factor (in universe) of why the Big E wouldnt want female marines.

4: you are still acting at the gatekeeper and have in this very post, shocker that you clearly dont see your own bias

5: no issues with you being very vocal, as usual with these discussions I have a problem with you and your kind being so dimissive of others, condecending and hypocritical and not even having the where with all to see your doing it

and lastly, if you want your female marines, crack on, make them, but stop trying to force it on us.


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Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

I would like to point out that game balance is a very strong argument against this.

While not black holes per say, eldar have the D\distoriio weapons that causes an area of the material universe to momentarily collapse in on itself, essentially creating a miniature warp hole. I do not know how a black hole gun would function, but you would need to create such a big pull of gravety that it puls everything within the event horizon into itself. I do not know if a regular planet has enough mass to consentrate into colapsing into a black hole, so this proposed would need to insert a great amount of mass into a small enough space that it could happen. Anyway, some point during 6th or 7th edition eldard did have instant death weapons on their distortion cannoin wraight knights and it was very unbalanved. In apocalypse this would not be a problem.

One could argue that the celestial oreey that the necrons have is a black whole weapon as it can cause starts to colapse in on itself. Many people have a problem with this in the setting. But a model on the table with this? Yes, I hereby declare and gatekeep that game balance would be a good argument against this. Unless it is a special senario where you try to keep it from fiering, then it could be a cool senario.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

That is game mechanics, which is a completely different argument. Any army being overpowered impacts peoples enjoyment of the game. The possibility of Space Marines being made from women does not as people who dislike the idea can just make their army be all men from a planet where women are not allowed to be soldiers.

The idea that women could be space marines but weren't until now wouldn't even be that ridiculous. How much of the Imperium functions under the idea of "We did it this way in the past so we're going to keep doing it this way forever"? The Emperor could have been an idiot (judging from his actions, he was) and thought women wouldn't make as effective fighters due to his own arrogance (if his soldiers weren't made male in his image it would hurt his ego). So he doesn't use them. Then the people after him don't use them as they are copying him and assume that there must be a reason to not do so and so on and so forth. The Imperium cutting its own potential supply of bodies for Space Marines in half due to unquestioningly following the procedures of the past would be incredibly fitting in the universe.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

But that last part, where you mention that the distinction between the two would render typical male/female traits irrevelant, basically explains why people don't want female space marines. It adds nothing if they effectively become androgynous males and you have to go through the trouble of retconning a large swathe of the lore back in 30k and even up to 40k. It's fine if you personally want to head-canon it, that's no problem. But it becomes an issue when you want to project that need to the entire setting just because you feel like its necessary, when it really isn't.

People should really be asking, why do we need female space marines? If Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence aren't enough representation, then why not through multi-sex armies as previously mentioned? This isn't a comic book world where we need to genderbend every major hero/faction in some way. Also, at the end of the day, 40K really shouldn't have to pander to any specific group anyways, there's always other universes/games that you can go for that scratches that itch you're looking for.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

Sooo what you are saying is "because I want it".... no, post up any supporting evidence that a meaningful amount of people would justify the major change, either way Still not seeing any valid reason to change the fluff to suit their demands rather than them playing one of the many other alternatives that are available like sisters of battle or sisters of silence, both of which are MEQ armies.

Would it impair our enjoyment of the fluff, well that really does depend on how they are implemented, because this is how I see the female marine crowds expectations.

As previusly stated though I have not seen a sisters of battle since I played soulstorm back in 2008. I do not think I have seen an actuial sister of battle model IRL. They are not very prevelant on the tabletopp even if they are in the setting.

Speaking on how they would look. I think this example by chuckachu in 2012 is a great example. He excuses his painting skills, but you get the general idea.

( Link to the source. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/494454.page )

 Niiai wrote:
As previusly stated though I have not seen a sisters of battle since I played soulstorm back in 2008. I do not think I have seen an actuial sister of battle model IRL. They are not very prevelant on the tabletopp even if they are in the setting.

Which means GW should focus more on existing factions like SoB that aren't seen as often due to the high entry rate compared to other armies and limited accessibility. Don't take that as lack of interest though, as Canoness Veridyan sold like hot cakes from what I heard. And as you can tell from this forum, there are plenty of people who would take the plunge if they were properly revamped and supported.

It still doesn't justify changing a significant part of the setting and a faction simply to get more representation.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
As previusly stated though I have not seen a sisters of battle since I played soulstorm back in 2008. I do not think I have seen an actuial sister of battle model IRL. They are not very prevelant on the tabletopp even if they are in the setting.

Which means GW should focus more on existing factions like SoB that aren't seen as often due to the high entry rate compared to other armies and limited accessibility. Don't take that as lack of interest though, as Canoness Veridyan sold like hot cakes from what I heard. And as you can tell from this forum, there are plenty of people who would take the plunge if they were properly revamped and supported.

It still doesn't justify changing a significant part of the setting and a faction simply to get more representation.

Exactly, why change an existing faction in a major way to suit a tiny tiny minority, when you can just revamp and existing one that fills a similar role.... it makes no sense

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

That is game mechanics, which is a completely different argument. Any army being overpowered impacts peoples enjoyment of the game. The possibility of Space Marines being made from women does not as people who dislike the idea can just make their army be all men from a planet where women are not allowed to be soldiers.

Alright, here's a fluff example - the 5th ed necron codex. Which gave necrons personalities and changed how C'tan worked, something that some people wanted. That change in the fluff also impacted people's enjoyment of the game, as many necron players were unhappy with the changes to the C'tan, the changes to necron lord's personality and the changes from the overall atmosphere, going more from horror and more towards grumpy old men in space with access to pokemon.
Whilst it didn't effect the army mechanically, it still had an effect that many necron players felt unsatisfied with, and you still see today necron players talking about how aspects of the old fluff were better.

A tiny minoraty? If you buy the representation argument (and I do not say that you should, or that it is a good argument, I am not touching that even with a 11 feet pole (because sometimes 10 feet is not long enough)) but if you buy the representation argument sales would increase, not decrease, even if you account for the people who would stop buying because some of their SM could happen to have been based upon a female underneath that power armour.

But I can not flaw GW for not pushing sisters more if they do not bring in the money. If they do not sell that makes not sence for the company. I am not saying that is the case, they might sell like hot cakes, but I am not flaunting GW for giving people something that does not sell.

Chutulus Spy I agree with you on the necron, the change was very badly implemented. I do think necrons needed a change though, because they where very difficult to write fluff on, they where mostly blank slates, and had many of the problems that tyranids had when it cames to writing. So while I liked that they did a chaange, I was not very happy with the change they made. That does not mean it was not a good idea to atemt the change.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

That is game mechanics, which is a completely different argument. Any army being overpowered impacts peoples enjoyment of the game. The possibility of Space Marines being made from women does not as people who dislike the idea can just make their army be all men from a planet where women are not allowed to be soldiers.

Alright, here's a fluff example - the 5th ed necron codex. Which gave necrons personalities and changed how C'tan worked, something that some people wanted. That change in the fluff also impacted people's enjoyment of the game, as many necron players were unhappy with the changes to the C'tan, the changes to necron lord's personality and the changes from the overall atmosphere, going more from horror and more towards grumpy old men in space with access to pokemon.
Whilst it didn't effect the army mechanically, it still had an effect that many necron players felt unsatisfied with, and you still see today necron players talking about how aspects of the old fluff were better.

But this wouldn't be such a drastic change. Finding out the Imperium is stupid and ignorant isn't news, it's the status quo. Necrons gaining personalities and doing a complete 180 degree turn in their relationship with the C'tan was not.

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Oh and the other side is asking "why" and "whats the point" more than "thats impossible" while your side is saying "cos I want it and you should too" without giving a valid reason.

The answer to "why?" and "what's the point?" is because people would like it. What other reason do you need?

Would it actually impair anybody's enjoyment of the game or fluff if Space Marines weren't all originally men before undergoing operations and gene therapy which makes them so far removed from a human that the biological differences between male and female humans are minuscule in comparison?

I'm sure people would like it if necrons had T10 and shot mini black holes. That doesn't mean everyone will.

That is game mechanics, which is a completely different argument. Any army being overpowered impacts peoples enjoyment of the game. The possibility of Space Marines being made from women does not as people who dislike the idea can just make their army be all men from a planet where women are not allowed to be soldiers.

Alright, here's a fluff example - the 5th ed necron codex. Which gave necrons personalities and changed how C'tan worked, something that some people wanted. That change in the fluff also impacted people's enjoyment of the game, as many necron players were unhappy with the changes to the C'tan, the changes to necron lord's personality and the changes from the overall atmosphere, going more from horror and more towards grumpy old men in space with access to pokemon.
Whilst it didn't effect the army mechanically, it still had an effect that many necron players felt unsatisfied with, and you still see today necron players talking about how aspects of the old fluff were better.

But this wouldn't be such a drastic change. Finding out the Imperium is stupid and ignorant isn't news, it's the status quo. Necrons gaining personalities and doing a complete 180 degree turn in their relationship with the C'tan was not.

It kind of is though, because the army's designer explicitly stated that women cannot be marines, as the geneseed is designed to work with male hormones and tissue.
If the creator of the army himself said it, and it has been that way since the marines as we know were designed, then wouldn't that constitute a drastic change?

It is a very drastic change if it would mean SM end up females and start making small space marine babies. Somebody have a a problem keeping that and space marines based on females seperate.